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  1. Would you rather have peak Moss or peak Rice for s

    Agreed, and I would add the fact Rice was physically tougher than Moss, and was a real threat on short, inside routes.
  2. No we all don't get it. We almost never hear about the scores of successful former NFL players who are excelling well after their playing days ended. And plenty of parents are letting their sons play, because the sport is still a positive in our society. This issue of player safety has been framed wrong from the beginning, we can have our cake and eat it too. The changes to the game in recent years have been moronic, smart change is the way to go. This isn't rocket science.
  3. Nobody enjoys seeing a player get hurt, but the national reaction from this play is yet another reminder of the essence of football. Yes, it's fun seeing those passes to graceful receivers for big gains, but the origins of the sport still resonate today. It's physicality, it's one man hitting another as hard as possible to achieve a desired result. Unfortunately, some people in the league office, and some writers outside this website don't understand this reality. Violence is part of the DNA of football whether we admit or not.
  4. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    No back can achieve what Riggins did simply based on volume, it was the quality was carried the day. Getting caught up in yards per carry for a big back isn't the correct way to evaluate the position. His value is more on wearing down defenses, and getting those tough yards between the tackles many other backs cannot obtain. Other large backs, like Natrone Means, Christian Okoye, etc. had a few years of success, but couldn't take the pounding. Timmy Smith was great for a single game, and a back can succeed for a season behind a strong line, but the great backs do it for years, including the postseason. Denver's post-Terrell Davis had short bursts of success, and were usually invisible in the playoffs. Barry Sanders, Tony Dorsett, and Marshall Faulk were lighter backs, and not at the level of John Riggins/Jerome Bettis when it came to those short yardage situations. Frank Gore will eventually join them in Canton, and had inside running talent, but not at the Riggins/Bettis level. Eddie George had a tremendous career, but he was overused, and burned out around age 30. Career totals just shy of what you want in a HOF back. We just can't penalize great players for helping make their teams great, Riggins was a key component of Washington's success, and everyone knows it.
  5. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    All offense encounter short yardage situations, and backs like Riggins and Bettis played a huge role in keeping drives going, which helped win games. It's no coincidence those Redskin and Steelers teams were successful during those eras.
  6. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    It seemed illogical at the time, but the Lions were smart to limit Barry Sanders close to the goal line. As great as he was, Sanders did have a tendency to lose yardage, the condensed field didn't play to his strengths, and he would have been injured in those situations. Riggins was a master in converting short yardage situations, just like Jerome Bettis. Blaming a great back for the offense being in a short yardage situation is like blaming a great QB after a failed pass, it doesn't make any sense. Jamaal Charles simply wasn't elite the way Riggins was, he couldn't take the pounding, and faded. Nice career, but the playoff game versus Baltimore sums up all you need to know about the differences between the two backs. Charles was outstanding in the first half, but got hurt, and was a non-factor the rest of the way as the Ravens rallied for the win. Riggins by contrast, was usually strong as the game went by, and his 1982 postseason was a legendary performance. History has shown early usage matters at the RB position, and Riggins was helped by not having a ton of carries before he became a Redskin. Combined with his natural talent, Riggins just matured later, and built a HOF career. And no compiler has a big season so close to retirement like Riggins' 1984 campaign. Frank Gore hasn't enjoyed a memorable season in years, if averaging 62 yards per game rushing, and a pittance in receiving yards each game is quality, we've hit a new low in terms of standards. Yes, some HOF players did lay for losing teams, but at least we saw why they were HOF-caliber near the end. Not so for Gore, not even close.
  7. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    Gore's been having a minimal impact for years, and the numbers do bear this out. And John Riggins was a key part of those stacked Redskins teams, his prime seasons just came later.
  8. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    I'm on record already about Gore eventually getting into the HOF, but he's doing so largely on the back of what happened years ago. Recently, Gore's just been a mediocre back, and both Martin/Riggins showed us why they were worthy HOF backs much closer to the end of their respective careers. Gore's been the king of the 60 yard rushing day for quite some time. Staying healthy enough to crank out 60 yard rushing days in meaningless games isn't any kind of achievement. I think Gore is actually pushing back his induction, especially when you consider the stacked HOF field.
  9. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    Martin and Riggins were elite talents who proved they belonged with the NFL's greats. It wasn't about volume, but quality, and the ability to withstand the abuse of the RB position and excel at an age when other HOF backs had retired. Good players simply don't have those type of careers. And the ability of any RB to score TDs is part of the whole evaluation process.
  10. Is Russell Wilson on a HOF pace?

    Bob Griese, Terry Bradshaw, and Troy Aikman were beaten down before their rosters were upgraded. It was their talent which was the key in launching those great teams. Denver's three Super Bowl losses were more about their defenses being physically manhandled than Elway's problems.
  11. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    It's not about averages, it's about impact. Riggins has more 100 yards games, and delivered a postseason for the ages over 30. When the end was obvious in 1985, after his strong 1984, HOF voters had recent evidence of great play. Gore, not so much, and these 60 yard rushing days aren't impressive.
  12. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    If Barry Sanders was used the same way Riggins and Bettis was used, you better believe his yards per carry would be lower, and risk of injury much higher. YPA has value, but limitations as well. One principal reason Bettis is in the Hall and Jamaal Charles and his higher YPA isn't, is the fact Bettis could handle the punishment, and was better later in his career. Most 1,200 backs have more than their share of quality carries, and 100 yard games. John Riggins did show potential with the Jets, but the lack of usage was a blessing in disguise. He was a phenomenal athlete in college, and was simply a late developing player. It's extremely rare to see a big back in his 30s outrun secondary players in their 20s, but that was a sign of a future HOF player. Unlike Gore, Riggins didn't stick around for multiple seasons compiling meaningless yards in meaningless games for losing teams. People forget Riggins was the fourth leading rusher in league history when he retired. Overall, a better career than Gore, and voters won't be impressed by a player who hangs on too long.
  13. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    Because Riggins hadn't played his best football until age 30, while Gore's best was already behind him at that age. Riggins naturally has a lower yards per average because of how he was used. When a larger back is needed for those crucial short yardage plays(which sometimes decide games), they will automatically take a hit in the YPA area. The problem with Gore is the significant number of meaningless games and ineffectual carries he's taking on this late in his career. Hall of Fame, yes, but it will take some time.
  14. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    Even the greatest offensive line ever needs a special back to produce when everyone in the stadium knows who is carrying the football. What made Riggins and Bettis so great was the ability to convert those crucial short yardage situations. While backs like Jamaal Charles had pretty yards per carry averages, they were repeatedly stuffed at the point of attack.
  15. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    Riggins just wasn't a compiler, and that makes all the difference. His 1984 season was better than what Gore has achieved in quite some time. Riggins played just one more season before hanging it up. Gore will definitely take longer than Riggins in reaching Canton.