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  1. Also, props to Fackrell because the step he took last year is legitimate. He's winning his rushes even more often than he was last year, and he's still as sturdy in coverage as ever. He's an up and down run defender but I can't even call it a weakness; he's at least average and he has the ability to make flash plays (though if he could just freaking close a tackle for loss out I'd really be a lot happier). He's certainly not going to get paid here, and he probably won't pick-up a big market contract at this point, but he's turned into a damn fine NFL player, especially for a 3rd round pick. For all the heat he's taken in his career, good to see him keep grinding.
  2. 2019 WR Corps

    Graham is fine, honestly he's playing really well. He may not be prime Graham but he's been better than usual as a blocker and is giving a ton of effort there, and he can still hurt defenses if they ignore him. That's really all you need out of your TE position; sure having a Kelce or similar is nice, but every throw to a TE is a throw not going to your more explosive position groups. My biggest question going forward is whether or not they can find Allison a reliable home. He's gotten shafted this season; Rodgers has hung him out to dry a few times and the plays they run designed to him are usually destined to fail. I badly want them to line Allison at the X for awhile when they aren't in a tight formation and just let him beat his man. Adams is a disgustingly good boundary receiver, but frankly he's equally good if not better from the slot, so give him some snaps there. There's not a player in the NFL who can cover Adams with a two way go, and slot routes aren't just whips and crossers anymore. I pick Allison because I think he's the most likely to be able to fill the WR2 role if they give him a chance. Allison is running some really nice routes, he's attacking the back leg on his stems and he varies his breaks and releases well enough that he's not usually wearing corners like a shirt the way Kumerow and MVS do at times. Lazard isn't open as regularly, but given his size and willingness to use it he's basically always sort of open away from the corner's leverage; that being said, that's not a substitute for actually being open. Allison is gone after this season and he's not a dangerous WR2, but MVS isn't ready and he's more likely to produce consistently on a variety of routes than Lazard/Kumerow. I get why they tried him in the slot; he's got some of what you want and you don't want to take MVS off the field if at all reasonable. But MVS is still a rotational guy, and they need a legitimate starter. At least give the man a shot..
  3. Honestly, we need the offense to light a few of these lesser teams up so Gary can get some damn snaps and the Smiths can miss a few. Hard to feed the rookie when it's a one score game in the 4th, but until they do also hard to expect him to grow.
  4. 2019 WR Corps

    Average across the board. In other words, I don't think their 2-5 are much below league average. Personally I feel like a common issue is that a lot of fans don't actually know what league average looks like; the Packers receivers were elite and arguably the best in football in 2009-2012, and still extremely high end through 2014. Driver/Jennings/Jones/Nelson/Cobb was three current or former WR1s, a solid WR2-3, and an elite slot. Would it be great to have that group again? Sure. Is it realistic? Not in the slightest. The Packers are missing a WR2, I'll grant you. They have a bunch of guys who do a few things well, but no one you'd reliably want on the field every snap after Adams. That's their weakness. But there are more than a few other teams out there with the same weakness and without a WR1 the quality of Adams. In terms of rotational guys you move in and out, Lazard/MVS/Allison/Kumerow is on par or better than a solid chunk of the league. It's not an elite group by any stretch or metric, but I firmly disagree that the receivers can't win on their routes. Watching the All-22, there are open receivers, and the offense is a few drops and some missed throws away from big production. This feels a lot like 2016 to me. Coming off 2015, I got in a lot of arguments that the receiving talent was not an issue early on in 2016 despite the fact that guys were open on the All-22. As time went on, the offense found their footing and Rodgers started hitting his throws and they blew up. This looks a lot the same. When Rodgers stands tall in the pocket and delivers the ball, generally speaking the plays are being made.
  5. 2019 WR Corps

    Using a rookie's receiving numbers to discredit his talent/ability to contribute is a mistake. Nelson put up 33 for 366 his rookie year in a season the Packers desperately needed a #3 to step up while James Jones was struggling. Cobb put up 25 for 375 during one of the most explosive offensive seasons in NFL history. Davante Adams put up 38 for 446 as the #3 receiver all year. Rookie receivers in McCarthy's offenses never put up big numbers because the offense was primarily predicated on timing, communication and a joint understanding between the QB/receiver. EQ showed out just fine last year. He showed YAC speed and toughness on catches against the Lions and the Jets, ability to read the defense and know his role in the offensive play call against the 49ers, and plus blocking all year. He's a 1st round physical talent that fell because of questions that all certainly seemed to be smoke. The idea that that guy would be on the fringe to keep receivers like Kumerow/Allison/Sheppard makes no real sense. The receiving group isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be, the team is still figuring this offense out. There's been a lot of plays where Rodgers comes off a read too late or too early and doesn't hit a receiver that ends up running wide open; those will (presumably) continue to fade as he starts to know the offense as second nature. Additionally, I don't personally think the team is using the receiving talent consistently well yet. Allison isn't a great fit as the slot in this offense, he doesn't stress the defense at all running crossers and YAC routes all day and he never gets to run his best routes (dig/fade/hitch). Kumerow isn't great outside because he doesn't gain much in the way of separation because he lacks the ability to sink his hips and explode out of his cuts. I personally think it would make more sense running Kumerow out of the slot (Adams will obviously also get slot snaps as well at times) given he's an active and willing blocker and he's reliable and tough at the catch point across the middle. Then you can let Allison play his game on the outside and either draws the teams best CB away from Adams if they play sides or he draws a guy he can beat at times. Play MVS at the Z whenever possible so he can avoid getting jammed at the line, and you can more or less plug Lazard in wherever. On that note I do think Lazard is a player; he moves way too well for a UDFA receiver who stands 6'5", 225. He put up nearly identical workout numbers to Mike Evans at more or less exactly the same size. Additionally, I feel like something that never gets talked about when the receiving group gets talked about is that this is a crazy group of blockers. Lazard will legitimately move people, and Kumerow and Allison both block with a lot of effort (and have the size to make it work). The team uses a lot of blocking angles with the receivers and they're extremely effective. I do think taking a receiver high makes sense, as Kumerow/Allison will be gone next year and MVS hasn't made the jump you'd hope for yet. But the receiving corps isn't a core issue at this point for me. They're not an elite group by any stretch, but I'd say they're solidly league average all told and with an elite #1 to lead the way.
  6. do we pay Kenny Clark?

    .....mmmmk. I uh, l don't even really know where to go from here.
  7. do we pay Kenny Clark?

    I'll be honest, Martinez is the poster child of the JAGs for me. He doesn't have any single thing he does at a pro bowl level. He doesn't fill his gap quick enough against the run which is why he has so many drag down tackles. He's OK in space but can't be relied on for man coverage in any way, and he's an average blitzer. Pettine isn't doing him any favors this year, but I don't see anything Martinez does that can't be replaced fairly easily. And yeah he gets a lot of tackles, but only because he's the only ILB on the team who sees regular snaps.
  8. 2019 WR Corps

    I do think that was the idea going into this year. The big slot is hot all over the league and EQ is a great fit for that kind of role. He's a big receiver who's tough after the catch and can actually sink his hips and change direction. However, I confess I don't actually feel I have a solid grasp on what LeFleur wants ideally from his slot. I'm starting to go back through the first half of the year just to look at how the offense has changed, so I'm hopeful I'll have a better sense of their goals going forward.
  9. 2019 WR Corps

    I mean, I'm not high on Kumerow but I'd put big money down that he would smoke a LB so badly that opposing DCs would quit that real quick. I also think he'd be able to beat most safeties on the kinds of routes our slots run. Kumerow isn't a high end receiving talent but his footwork and technique is very good and has improved year over year; he's a tough cover on any kind of in and out/whip route which is the last thing you would expect given he's not fast in or out of his breaks. I dislike him outside because he just cannot create separation vertically, but he has pieces of his game I do like. I mean realistically we need an upgrade at the slot in a bad, bad way, and maybe Ryan Grant can be that guy. Well, realistically I imagine Adams will probably get more snaps there as the year goes on if Lazard continues to show out and MVS stays healthy. Gotta make stew out of the bag of bones we got somehow.
  10. 2019 WR Corps

    Allison is playing a bad fit, and isn't a special enough talent to make it work. He's not a slot in this system, he's an outside receiver all day. You want him iso'd up running digs or wheel/fade routes (admittedly the wheel is more from the slot but whatever; point is he's best when he can stack his man on a sideline route). He plays the ball well over his shoulder and will go up and get it to an extent. He can also run a decent curl route. That's about it. He's not physical enough to win on slants and he can't separate and isn't explosive on posts/corners. His YAC is mostly effort, and he doesn't really threaten a defense with anything he does. Honestly, given what they have right now I'd play Kumerow out of the slot and Allison on the outside. Kumerow can't separate anyway and at least has elite body control and more mass at the catch point. Allison stops having to catch so many contested balls and Kumerow doesn't have to worry about his inability to get separation off the line.
  11. 2019 WR Corps

    MVS has been down snap count-wise because he was injured. He played 94.4% of the snaps against Dallas, then played 77% of the snaps against Detroit even after being hurt in the second quarter. They cut him down to 34.5% but he bounced back up to 62.3% against the Chiefs. I don't really see anything to indicate that he's being phased out. I suspect he'll continue to get about 80-85% of snaps when healthy like he did early in the season. He's also not near the blocker that Lazard is, so there's reason to give him those snaps while MVS fully recovers. You can't fully show your hand that way so Lazard will get some receiving snaps, but that's fine; I think he may actually be a player. He's certainly a better prospect than Kumerow, and deserves to get some snaps each game. He's quicker than he timed, and for a big receiver he moves well and he can actually sink into his cuts a little. That plus his ability to climb the ladder and his blocking ability and that's a player who has a role. I mean he's a #4/package guy for sure, but it's still a role.
  12. Aaron Jones

    I mean, I just don't see it in the numbers. In their careers: Aaron Jones - 32 games played, 328 carries, 1642 yards, 5.0 YPC, 20 TDs, 69 receptions, 583 yards, 8.4 YPR, 4 TDs, 3 Fumbles Dalvin Cook - 22 games played, 363 carries, 1792 yards, 4.9 YPC, 13 TDs, 80 receptions, 688 yards, 8.6 YPR, 2 TDs, 5 Fumbles They're close in production, and Jones has had better offensive units on balance I think in their careers. So, I think that's pretty even. This year Cook certainly has a healthy lead, but the Packers were also installing a completely new offensive philosophy and Jones's production has increased as the offense settles. Stefanski was interim coordinator last year and was on staff with DeFilippo so presumably there should be continuity there for Cook. I just don't see how you can argue that the numbers show Cook is elite or more consistent. He's been outproduced until this season, and he fumbles more. Cook is having a monster year but Jones is clearly a high level playmaker this year as well. Now if you want to talk the eye test, I'm open to it. Cook is a more decisive, compact runner, and his angles are just beautiful to watch. He reminds me a lot of Jamaal Charles. Jones isn't as good a runner to the line of scrimmage as Dalvin, sure, I'm with you. But Jones creates big play lanes once he's to the second level as well as anyone in the NFL. He's not as good in a phonebooth as Cook, but his full-speed cut is elite. He can stop, start and accelerate about as well as any back in the league not named Saquon Barkley. He's beginning to stand out as a receiver, admittedly something Cook has also shown talent for. Basically this is all to say to me they're the same tier back. If you want to put Cook above Jones in that tier, sure, I'm fine with it. I'm not 100% sure where I fall on it myself. But I can't agree in anyway that they're a different tier of RB.
  13. 1[12]: Rashan Gary [EDGE; Michigan]

    OK, that's what I kinda figured was the case as that was my first blush impression from watching it live. He was noticeably on the field more, and in all honesty he's a nice piece to have. Not a lot of guys that can legitimately cover and rush, and it prevents us from having to drop Preston which is a huge waste. Also I'm really glad to see the Smith's defense load coming down a bit. Clearly we need them, but the fresher we can keep them and still win the better.
  14. 1[12]: Rashan Gary [EDGE; Michigan]

    Fascinating. PFR has him at 14 snaps, but regardless of the difference it's still a small number. Without that second watch I have no idea, any guesses as to why that is? They played Fackrell 33 so they clearly wanted him on the field more. I mean personally I'm higher on Fackrell than most, but they've been pretty consistent with trying to get Gary snaps and he needs them so strange switch here. Although, they were running more 2-4-5 and 3-3-5 with Z at 3-tech right? I thought I saw that somewhere, and certainly Fackrell makes more sense outside in those alignments as he's effective dropping. Would love to be a fly on the wall when Mike Smith and Mike Pettine discuss this group.
  15. 1[12]: Rashan Gary [EDGE; Michigan]

    Excuse me sir, if you're trying to say that a less than sober me watching post-game highlights was incorrect about something, I won't hear it. That's clearly lunacy, and I ask you to retract your statement immediately. But seriously that's good to hear. I still haven't re-watched this one so I hadn't taken a second look, but he's shown some clear progress throughout the year and if he's starting to actually use his hands squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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