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  1. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    Which begs the question as to why go for herd immunity then? What exactly were you saving?? if the vaccine doesn't come quickly then you get the immunity eventually anyways. This is exactly my point. They saved nothing by going this route and it's only hurt the people who live there.
  2. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    I'm not trying to directly attack you so I apologize if it came off that way. But I disagree with your notion that you can't have low deaths and still get through this. I would rather place my bets on the vaccine coming than herd immunity at this point. They have already shown that's Sweden's economy still took a huge hit even without going on lockdown. I definitely understand the opposite point of view and I wondered quite a bit about whether that was going to be the way this will have to go. Now looking at the numbers it really seems like they made a big mistake like you said. To reiterate I never thought you guys had any platform with your posts and there is a lot of information in them that is helpful.
  3. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    The point of comparing them to Finland and Denmark is to show that those countries followed lockdown procedures and measures of social distancing while Sweden did not. They are direct comparisons for Sweden in every way and it shows clearly that by not locking down and going the herd immunity route, they put their own people at risk and in the end they clearly caused more people to die than was necessary. The comparison is because Anders himself said they would be at 20 to 30% by this time. It's not a comparison to New York, its quoted directly from what he stated was going to happen. It's hasn't happened and the loss of life in a country that should be at the same place as those other countries is reprehensible. I understand the idea behind what they are trying to do with herd immunity but if you look at those numbers and the numbers from their direct neighbors and you don't see a problem with the huge loss of life they are dealing with.....I don't know man. That's a problem.
  4. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    There may have been some confusion in the article I read then but a matter of a couple weeks is not really going to make much difference when they said they would be 20% higher by this time and the death rates are already skyrocketing.
  5. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    They are the worst at testing for all the nordic countries but they have certainly met the criteria for the percentage to be an accurate representation of the whole.
  6. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    Those numbers were from last week. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/nyheter-och-press/nyhetsarkiv/2020/maj/forsta-resultaten-fran-pagaende-undersokning-av-antikroppar-for-covid-19-virus/ https://abcnews.go.com/International/sweden-stayed-open-coronavirus-pandemic-model-future/story?id=70666450
  7. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    Unfortunately Sweden is giving out a number of 7% right now when they predicted it would be 20 to 30 at this point. So that experiment seems to be a failure. And by choosing that path, their failure meant the great loss of a lot of lives.
  8. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    Not more than they would hate dying.
  9. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    I stated it before but their way to make the hospitals not be overrun was to place all the elderly people who became sick with the coronavirus in an "elderly care home", where they wouldn't have access to hospital care and ventilators and would instead just die. They did this to "protect" the rest of the population so the beds would be available to people who are younger. I think you are missing the point if you are asking questions like this....Who cares if their hospitals are being overrun. They have the highest deaths per capita in the world. Their direct neighbors locked down and are showing deaths in the low single digits.
  10. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    Population size. Sweden is 91st in the world in population size. They only have a population of 10,000,000 people so having the highest deaths per capita is absolutely explosive growth. There are direct comparisons right next to them in those countries I mentioned. Those countries followed the guidelines that were put forth and it shows in the extreme difference in loss of life. Decline of deaths per day is great....but how about if they didn't have that many deaths to start out with. They are not beating anything at this point. Not only that but the countries economy is still being hurt during this pandemic as their unemployment rate is rising and a decent enough part of the population is staying safe in spite of their health care leader openly telling them not to social distance. They may be "beating it" but they are doing it by losing way more life than is absolutely necessary.
  11. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    If people want to question whether social distancing is working/or worth it, they need look no further than Sweden who's death rate per capita has been the highest in the world for two weeks now. They almost completely ignored what the rest of the world was doing and never locked down while at the same time basically leaving the older population to fend for themselves without access to the hospital systemsand are instead placed in "elder care homes" to basically die. Anders Tegnell is a sham of a health leader and now at least more people in the world know it. For comparisons sake, Sweden had 95 deaths yesterday while Finland had 1, Denmark had 2 and Finland reported 0 deaths. Brazil is a close comparison to what happens in a larger country if you don't lock everything down for a while but at least they finally came around to the idea a little bit or what they are seeing now would have been a lot worse.
  12. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    I'm just going to state this one more time and I am done. Even if we say you are somehow a superhuman being who needs to breathe less than a normal human and can just "breathe lightly" for the whole time in the store, you are literally taking any social distancing you are doing and throwing it out of the window by not wearing a mask. If you have the virus, and you can't tell me you don't have it because you don't know, then you are risking the health and lives of every other person who walks in any area you walk into. The virus is expelled through your tiny little breaths just like every other out of shape humans Big breaths and it can stay in the air for quite a long period of time. I don't care about the guy who touches his mask or takes it off for a break. They made those choices, I care about the people who are counting on everyone else in the store they are shopping at to not be a selfish person and wear a mask. MASKS STOP YOU FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS NOT FROM CONTRACTING IT. You are willfully putting other people at risk because you can't be bothered. There is nothing else to say about it.
  13. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    He's the GOAT of not breathing heavy.
  14. Coronavirus (COVID-19) - 3rd try

    You need to go back and read this guys posts before attempting to respond. He is either a master troll or has the worlds biggest ego/is clueless about how the world and things in it actually work.