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  1. Giants to pick #6 in 2019 NFL draft

    I'm not a QB guru, but from the scouting reports I read - I see a lot more people knocking Haskins footwork than Locks. I'm not saying Lock is the better prospect, but it surprises me to see you say that. I agree it's not all about arm talent. It's also about leadership, football IQ, and work ethic. I've heard both guys being praised for those traits, as well. Also, footwork is something most QB prospects need work on - especially given the fact that we don't see many 3-5-7 step drops in college these days. But my point what was Lock has shown great ability to throw accurately when his footwork isn't perfect, whereas Haskins effectiveness has suffered a lot more when he doesn't have good footwork. This is something that is very valuable, with the speed and explosiveness of pass rushers in the NFL. It's part of what allowed Mahomes to blow up.
  2. Giants to pick #6 in 2019 NFL draft

    I didn't want anything to do with Lock for a while but I'm starting to come around on him since I've done more digging. Excellent arm talent. Not just the zip he puts on it - but one things he does better than any QB in this class is throw accurately from different arm angles on the move (a la Mahomes and Rodgers). Got more efficient every season in college. Also produced with A LOT less talent to work with than Murray and Haskins. He's worthy of a top 10 pick imo.
  3. OBJ Traded to Browns for spare change

    With Baker's touch and accuracy, I am going to bet on Odell putting up 20 TDs if he plays all 16 games next year.
  4. Giants to pick #6 in 2019 NFL draft

    I don't want Metcalf at all. Spectacular "athlete" - average football player. His historically poor agility is extremely alarming for a player at his position. Very limited route tree and his ball skills are average. I wouldn't even spend our 2nd round pick on him TBH. Looks amazing in gym shorts but no one has ever been blown away by him in pads.
  5. OBJ Traded to Browns for spare change

    That's kinda dumb considering this is Eli's last year. I'm speechless right now
  6. Persistent OBJ trade rumors

    As a Giants fan, I feel the same way you do about Odell as a player and teammate. I love the guy and absolutely do not want him traded. But lets not act like the media was just looking for players to make life difficult for and chose his name out of a hat. The media is a business(es) and they sell stories. Odell a very "marketable" player because he generates a lot of stories with not only his play - but his "antics." The Norman incident, kicking/kissing the net, celebrations, comments he makes to the media about play-calling/Eli, etc. We all know how the media operates, and Odell needs to take responsibility for giving them plenty of ammo. He needs to learn how to navigate the media, much like many of the other stars have. I get that he wears his heart on his sleeve. But if he wants to "be himself" all the time then he has to accept that the media is going to profit off of it - and ultimately bring negative attention on him and his team.
  7. FIRE Gettleman, CUT Eli, PLAY for 2020

    If we're going to criticize every little move Gettleman makes, then let's give him credit when he makes good moves. Dumping an underperforming player on a bad contract for a much needed solid interior o-lineman . https://www.google.com/amp/s/giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/08/new-york-giants-trade-olivier-vernon-to-cleveland-brown-kevin-zeitler/amp/
  8. Vernon reportedly trade to Browns for Kevin Zeitler OL. https://www.google.com/amp/s/giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/08/new-york-giants-trade-olivier-vernon-to-cleveland-brown-kevin-zeitler/amp/
  9. S Landon Collins to be signed by Washington

    I sucks because I love Landon. But the truth is an injury prone Safety that has trouble in the passing game is not worth 10m+ in this league. "Strong Safety's" are not only devalued, but they don't even exist anymore. Both Safety's need to be good pass defenders. Run defense is secondary for both.
  10. FIRE Gettleman, CUT Eli, PLAY for 2020

    This is such a knee-jerk thread. I get it, Collins is a loveable blue-collar player who embodies what the Giants are historically about. I love the guy and he's a good player. But he's not great, and his weakness in pass coverage is far too problematic to warrant being paid as an elite Safety - especially in today's NFL. Furthermore, he hasn't been very durable. Has Gettlemen been perfect? No. But he's done a fine job. Look at how the offense turned things around in the second half of the season. Didn't score 30 point in how many games? Then leading the division in points by the end of the season. It's not his fault he inherited a horrendous o-line and a hand full of terrible contracts on the defensive side of the ball. Adding an overpaid Safety to that would only magnify that issue. Gettlemen was tasked with rebuilding a deteriorated roster with bad contracts all over the place. This wasn't going to be a 1-year fix up.
  11. Giants to pick #6 in 2019 NFL draft

    The Giants most likely are not going to have to trade to #1. Even if they did, the Rams traded up to 1 from 15 to get Goff, and he took them to Superbowl by year 3. Again, if he's your guy - you go and get him.
  12. Giants to pick #6 in 2019 NFL draft

    True, but we put ourselves in a similar situation with Eli - and that obviously worked out pretty darn well. And Eli isn't even that great of a QB. Just goes to show the value of having a franchise QB at the helm for 15~ years. Giving up several high picks for even just a good and not great QB can be an excellent move for a franchise.
  13. Giants to pick #6 in 2019 NFL draft

    I don't follow college football either. But based on the research I've done on Haskins, which involves watching his tape and reading scouting reports - his lack of starting experience doesn't seem to be an issue for a few of reasons: 1. Everyone around him praises his football IQ and work ethic. He appears to be dedicated to putting in whatever time is required to master his craft. 2. He is mentored by several pro and former pro NFL players which has helped him become "pro ready." 3. Whenever he faced a more difficult opponent or the stakes were higher, he performed even better. He also carried an offense with no running game and a mediocre defense. This shows that he's a leader and the fact that he was able to do this is in just his first year says a lot about his maturity and leadership abilities. I wouldn't disagree with you about your stance on the draft. I'm not necessarily a fan of trading up, especially when we have so many needs - particularly on the defensive side in a strong defensive draft. But on the other hand, the QB position is one of those "X factor" situations where if you feel you found your guy there's almost no amount that is too much to give up and get him.
  14. Giants to pick #6 in 2019 NFL draft

    With the news of Murray committing to the combine and NFL, who did you guys prefer for the Giants: Murray or Haskins? Both excellent passers with adequate arm strength and very accurate. Haskins is more of the traditional pocket passer with ideal size whereas Murray is an electric runner and undersized. Murray coming out is very good news for us as it makes it much more likely that we will be able to come away with a top QB. It's just a matter of who the FO falls in love with and what they're willing to do to make sure they get him. Personally, I'm leaning towards Haskins as I think the traditional pocket passer is more sustainable. He also has enough mobility to work the pocket and create extra time. But admittedly the idea of an electric QB like Murray paired up with the most dynamic tandem in the NFL (Barkley and Beckham) in a Shurmur offense is tantalizing. Or do you think it's irrelevant because we should go with a defensive playmaker in an extremely generous pool of defensive talent? Or perhaps somewhere else (offensive line)?
  15. At least get your info correct before you claim to be stating "facts." Barkley broke several records (most receptions for rookie RB, most games w/ 100+ yards from scrimmage) and also had more than 0 Rookie of the week awards. Baker breaking the rookie TD record means a lot less considering the # of passing TDs go up every year in the NFL. Here's the difference: Baker had a great year for a rookie QB. Barkley had a great year for any RB. As a rookie, Saquon was 2nd in the league in yards from scrimmage. He's already arguably the best RB in the NFL. Baker isn't even a top 15 QB. Was Baker's year more "valuable" when it comes to wins? Yeah, sure, since he's a QB. But there is no "V" in the OROY acronym. It's strictly about the BEST offensive rookie, not most valuable. And Saquon clearly had a better year.