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  1. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    Will be interesting to see what the pelicans do, trade or otherwise. It's going to really suck if we take Hunter or Culver or Reddish with no trade down at 5. Imo, now that would be a terrible gamble without maximizing value. Sexton and Coby White would make for an energetic and fun back court albeit with severe defensive deficiencies as well as limitations in shot creation for others. I'm all in on Coby White, CG North Carolina, Goga Bitadze, C Rep. of Georgia, Darius Garland, PG Vanderbilt, and Romeo Langford, SG Indiana in that final order. The draft can't get here soon enough.
  2. RB Considerations... Duke Johnson & More

    Couldn't be said any better imo ...
  3. RB Considerations... Duke Johnson & More

    Tremendous leadership by Landry who has handled the Duke questions perfectly since the very beginning like a vet with the foresight into how his "we support and love Duke, but want him here to work and pray things can work out business-wise and be resolved soon" answer would prevent media from trying to drive a wedge and hype up teammate and/or front office-player conflict.
  4. RB Considerations... Duke Johnson & More

    Despite what anyone thinks per se, what real reasons exactly does Duke have to believe he himself is just a limited role player? For one, he entered the league as the most productive ball-carrier all time leader in Miami's storied school history and came out his junior year after an electric season 2nd only to Willis McGahee's magical junior year. He then played on a roster full of incompetent QB play and slappy street free agents during the golden "Bryce Treggs-Austin Paztor-Cam Erving Era" still producing at a top 5 pass catching back level with one year him being a top 3 pass catching back despite limited touches. He's averaged 70 carries or less going as low as 40 but has been productive ypc-wise so it's likely he believes in his ability. He doesn't really have many reasons imo to believe that he can't make a bigger impact or being a leading back even if our assessment is different. NFL biz is NFL biz. It's fine that the Browns wanted to trade Duke, and to me it's fine that Duke wanted to honor those wishes for his trade.
  5. RB Considerations... Duke Johnson & More

    Biggest misnomer. Not sure why it's been so misperceived. Duke's position and the facts bear it out that Duke only requested a trade request a month after he was put on the trade block citing being on the trade block as his reason and not b/c kareem hunt was signed. He then cited Carlos Hyde's mid-season trade and subsequent release in Jacksonville as a similar situation he recently witnessed and didn't want to experience with his career, himself, and family this year as he thought Carlos had to do a lot of catch-up. Duke's been a great teammate, competitor, locker room presence, low-key, humble, hardworking guy during his tenure in Cleveland. Now, that in a calm, rationale manner he has laid out his reasons for requesting a trade (b/c the team wanted to trade him), everyone wants to make him a bad guy, self-ish, and noncompetitor. It's funny.
  6. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    Thanks. My mistake. I was wrong. That means so long to Skal or whhoever in my hypothetical Blazers-JR trade scenario. Point is JR plus a salary filler (Ante Zizic) to make the trade work for Evan Turner, Anfernee Simons, and their 1st round pick as a potential destination trade that yields us a pick and a young player with high upside in Simons if Portland and the Cavs would consider such a trade.
  7. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    My Final Final Cavs-Centric Prospect Draft Rankings: Tier I: 1.) Goga Bitadze, C Rep. of Georgia 2.) Coby White, CG North Carolina 3.) Darius Garland, PG Vanderbilt 4.) Romeo Langford, SG Indiana Tier II: 5.) DeAndre Hunter, SF/CF Virginia 6.) Jarrett Culver, SG Texas Tech 7.) Cam Reddish, SG/SF Duke 8.) Sekou Doumbouya, SF/CF France 9.) Nassir Little, SF North Carolina 10.) Kevin Porter Jr., SG USC 11.) Nicolas Claxton, PF/C Georgia 12.) Luguentz Dort, CG Arizona State ----------------- Despite playing an unfavorable position as the not amazingly athletically gifted C, Goga Bitadze is the best prospect in the draft as he has great 3pt touch, the ability to create his shot off the dribble, advanced passing instincts, and excellent shot blocking timing. He has Nikola Jokic type impact albeit to a lesser extent as a pure passer and creator for others with the elite size Jokic has. Goga is the best all around player in the draft. No prospects film disappointed me more based purely on high expectations than Jarrett Culver. He has the size and defensive upside over fellow prospects Coby White and Romeo Langford, but in all other aspects they are the superior prospect gambles imo. The highest upside player the Cavs could select is Darius Garland or Cam Reddish with Garland being more complete and potent in skill right now while Reddish likely being 3 years or more away from manifesting his all around potential. Garland is terrible on defense but his offensive elite outside scoring skill is already all star worthy. When he drives his game falls apart. Coby White is likely the safest highest upside player in the draft to pair with Sexton despite White's defensive and length limitations. With Hunter not being able to be a perimeter shot create or create for others, Romeo Langford is the next best all around player to pair with Sexton as Langford has length on the defensive end and is an effective shot creator for himself and others from the perimeter. His plus athleticism could make him the steal of the draft. All in all, watching this year's draft prospects tells me that we'd be crazy to not trade down. My final options are to trade down and select a combination of Goga Bitadze and Coby White/Romeo Langford. I go back and forth on who I'd rather pair with Sexton be it White or Langford. Langford has the higher upside for sure in all areas of the game, but I'm certain that at worst White will be an elite 6th man and/or glue guy. I'm intrigued by Garland but ultimately he may not be a fit at all with our current roster. Nassir Little is certain to be an elite defender and given the uncertainty of the other prospects development, it may be worthwhile to take a gamble on him as a run the floor, havoc, motor, defensive stalwart glue guy if we acquire an additional 1st in trade down and Little falls in the teens. That certain has value and a certain place on a young developing team. ---------------- Final Final Cleveland Cavaliers Mock Off-Season & Draft III: Trade 1 -- The Cleveland Cavaliers Trade the # 5 pick to the Atlanta Hawks for # 8, # 17, and #35 Trade 2 -- Cavs trade JR Smith and Ante Zizic to Portland for the # 25 overall pick, a future 2nd round pick, Evan Turner, and CG Anfernee Simons. Portland gets some immediate space and gets closer to being able to get below the tax and make a critical FA signing. Turner's contract joins the pile of contracts like that of Henson, Delly, Tristan, Clarkson, Knight that can be used the following season as expiring contracts exchanged with cap-space needy franchises' willing to give up 1st round picks. --------------- The Draft 1st Round: 5.) The Atlanta Hawks (via trade w/ CLE) select Jarrett Culver, SG Texas Tech. 8.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ ATL) select Coby White, SG North Carolina --OR-- Romeo Langford, SG Indiana. 17.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ ATL) select Goga Bitadze, C Rep. of Georgia. 25.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ PDX) select KZ Okpala, SG/SF Stanford 26.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ HOU) select Nicolas Claxton, PF/C Georgia 2nd Round 35.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ ATL) select Deividas Sirvydis, Lithuania (to keep and develop overseas like Cedi Osman) ------- Core Foundation Roster W/O Upcoming Expiring Contracts & Kevin Love: PG/CG: Collin Sexton; Anfernee Simons SG/CG: Coby White (OR Romeo Langford depending on who we draft) SG/SF: Cedi Osman; KZ Okpala PF/CF: Nicolas Claxton; C: Goga Bitadze; Larry Nance Jr.; Overseas Developmental Players: SF: Deividas Sirvydis, Lithuania
  8. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    Again, Reddish has issues, is far from a home run prospect, and is a big payoff gamble amongst other gambles, but I think you're mixing up some critical things in his assessment. A few things: 1.) You have to be careful trusting whatever you read on the internet without assessing how reliable the sourcing and opinion is, as well as limiting the sampling of opinions to a small and not deep analysis subset of opinions. For example, while I have gone to nbadraft.net for over a decade it's important to know that profiles like the one you quoted are written and submitted by users and/or the sites valued bloggers as those writing up that profile (William Desautelle and Tomes) aren't scouts or coaches nor have inside knowledge in the program or anything. Jonathan Givony and the DraftExpress content writers have been more tuned in over the years, but even their assessment speaks more to his assertiveness not his work ethic. 2.) You repeatedly keep mixing up and confusing "Work Ethic" and "Assertiveness" in your opinion. I haven't found one (and I've looked" reliable source to speak negatively about Reddish's "work ethic," instead multiple people ranging from teammates to coaches from high school to college all rave about his work ethic. Name me one reputable source questioning work ethic with examples. From his high school teammates, coaches and strength staff saying that Reddish was in the gym everyday at 5:45am to work on his game so often for his routine that if he wasn't there by 6:15am they'd fear something happened to him (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2766532-duke-recruit-cam-reddish-is-going-to-be-a-star-but-not-the-kind-youre-used-to "If I didn't hear anything by 6:15," Tulleners said, "I knew something was wrong." For at least an hour before class each day during the school year, Reddish would hoist shot after shot while listening to rap music on his earphones. He'd repeat the routine during breaks in the afternoon and again at night. "You're not going to have to beg to get Cam into a practice facility," Tulleners said. "You're going to have to beg him to get out."). You can readily find various other articles with depth sourcing those that would really know about Reddish's work ethic and find takes that go beyond just defending Cam out of self interest or the need to lie including Duke teammates, high school teammates, high school coaches and athletic trainers, college coaches and athletic trainers, etc (1.) https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/6/4/18635931/cam-reddish-nba-draft-2019-duke-scouting-report-stats-high-school-recruiting; 2.) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2823969-dukes-cam-reddish-a-beautiful-player-battling-an-ugly-reputation ; 3.) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2766532-duke-recruit-cam-reddish-is-going-to-be-a-star-but-not-the-kind-youre-used-to ; 4.) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2019/05/16/cam-reddish-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-duke-nba-draft-combine/3698536002/ Now, Assertiveness? Indeed, he struggled but remember the context in that he was 4th on the team in touch time as RJ Barrett dribbled the air out the ball in isos and late game, Tre Jones the PG was second, followed by Zion Williamson in usage and touch time. Reddish was relegated to the role of 4th touch option spot up shooter and late shot clock kick out creator. In that role, he was inconsistent and struggled given his being used to being the primary ball handler. Ultimately, what happens is people try to answer the question, "If Reddish has all that amazing talent, then why did he struggle and have such a hard time this year." Given his laid back personality people come up with lazy explanations that don't require a lot of thought like, "He must not love the game and not work at it," when there are various other explanations for why he struggled some that were his fault (i.e., settled with his role instead of being assertive a lot) and others (i.e., structurally was given the role as 3pt shooter and spacer as he was 4th in touches and usage behind Barrett, Jones, and Zion). -------- In the end, Reddish may fail for a wide variety of reasons and has many issues as a prospect. He does however work at his game. The question then is in 3-5 years of work and development will he be a better NBA player and gamble compared to others like Jarrett Culver, Coby White, etc?? Only time will tell, but there is an argument to be made that a trade down from 5, the collecting of more draft capital and with it the ability to take more swings at the draft selection plate, and taking Reddish (or some other player; I prefer Romeo Langford or Goga Bitadze) is a more desirable option than just taking the gamble on Jarrett Culver who's jumpshot is broken and has his issues or Coby White who has his issues.
  9. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    what evidence are you basing your opinion that he has a bad work ethic and is lazy on? Again,
  10. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    Great, sobering, and concise summary of strengths and weaknesses of the draft prospects. Glaring Weaknesses with all the prospects we'll be able to take. Who do we gamble on? My last thought and what I'm sticking with until the draft is trade down multiple times out of the top 10, accumulate a ton of draft picks and take Romeo Langford, SG Indiana; followed by staying put and taking Hunter.
  11. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    With my belief in Culver and Hunter's special impact fading, our options are clear in my mind: Trade down get more opportunities to gamble and take the safest, high floor player in Coby White -OR- more preferably Trade down and take the inconsistent, biggest boom, highest ceiling uber talent player in Cam Reddish. The only 3rd option that makes sense is to trade down much farther down in the draft and take an all around fit player with Collin Sexton like a Romeo Langford. I prefer the Trade down a lot select Romeo Langford option to all those options relative to taking Hunter or Culver or even Reddish or White.
  12. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    Specifically, I've formed my constructed opinion on the nature of Reddish's work ethic based on my perception of truthfulness being in the comments I've read or heard from RJ Barrett, Tre Jones, Zion, Duke Associate head coach Nate James, 2 long-standing Duke basketball beat-writers, Mike Krzyzewski. an assistant strength and conditioning coach, his high school coach and AAU coach, and the Duke athletic trainer responsible for overseeing Reddish's knee rehab. They have all commented favorably (and some in nuanced ways) about the nature of Cam's work ethic and commitment to the game. He's known to work on his game and get to the gym before anyone else along with teammate Tre Jones and stay late. Some have even added the contextual story of how his work ethic has evolved as he used to be a perfectionist that would shut down mentally in disappointment when he didn't meet his standard therefore hindering himself and hurting his team his freshman year in high school. He then grew out of that and lived by the phrase that he would come to internalize from Coach K which is "trust your work." So, why did he struggle this year? If he works and he has such amazing talent, why at 19 years old did he not excel abundantly? There's a lot of reasons--some Reddish was responsible for (i.e., poor shot selection 3 long 2pt FGAs a game along with 8 of his 12 shots a game being 3pts; willingness to just be a 3pt spacer without movement, hero ball hunting, etc) some he wasn't responsible for (i.e., offensive structure-wise his role saw him touch the ball 4th most and was used as a floor spacer so RJ Barrett could pound the ball and iso, Zion could iso or work in the post without the fear of Reddish's man collapsing in on him with Tre Jones being the primary ball handler and facilitator of the offense).and some that occur as a natural outgrowth of youthful development (i.e., 19 years old trying to grow his game as a role player amongst multiple ball dominant stars). We live in a World where the masses happily march to the beat of false perceived certainties, untruths, and distortions of reality. I am subject to the same thought illusions as the next person, but it just takes a little research to get a more complete, contextual, layered approximation of truth. Nothing is ever certain. If we were to say, where are the :everyone else" as you say getting info on Reddish not having a good work ethic?... the answer would be 3 fold: 1.) Personal observation and inference coming from the experience of seeing the amazing raw talent of Reddish while at the same time seeing struggles and negative outcomes on the court leading to the inference that the negative outcomes have to be "self-inflicted" or due to work ethic, and 2.) The nameless/sourceless rumor mill that begins to try to attribute Reddish's struggles to something without taking the time to look into any context of how Reddish was used or what his motivations in the game are yielding things like "I don't know who said it, but there's questions about his how engaged and hard he works," I be glad to change my opinion if presented with some substantial evidence about Reddish not working hard or not caring. I've looked but haven't seen it. I'd be glad to update the info I've read on him. Again, Reddish is not a home run pick. It wouldn't be cause for celebration. It would however be imo the gamble with biggest payoff amongst other gamble options and one to be cautiously optimistic about given the player development staff and coaches we have on our team (assuming they sustain competence in that regard).
  13. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    Cavaliers trade down to # 8 and Culver and Hunter are gone who then would you have the Cavs pick?? Coby White? Someone else? It's not that Reddish is a home run pick, it's just that in a group of uncertain gambles his selection by far has the potential for biggest payoff, and in my assessment is as likely to payoff as any other of the players not named Zion, Ja, or RJ, This is the NBA not the NFL so there isn't ready-made difference makers at various positions throughout the first round. If a team doesn't get a ready made transcendent talent at the top of the draft it's all a gamble on player development. Player development is everything. The question remaining is who has the best skill base, natural ability, work ethic, and feel for the game to develop off of during a 3-4 year time course. And that goes beyond box-score scouting. Work ethic and commitment to improvement are everything in the player development game. Picks in the NBA Draft aren't often picks to celebrate on draft day as projection, time, and development are quintessential. Reddish contrary to public perception has the work ethic and commitment. He has the easiest best mechanical jump shot form with easy deep ball range, the ball handling skill of an elite combo guard stemming from his role as a PG, the ability to create for himself and others off the dribble stem, size, length, and foot quickness to be a force on defense. Simply put: He has the best skill base of the remaining likely available players. Coby White has all the energy, intangibles, and feel for the game one could want, but lacks the length and size to be a factor on defense or be able to finish at the rim. Reddish shined more when not relegated to the late shot clock 3pt shooter role after RJ pounded the air out the ball or a Zion iso or post-up, as well as when he didnt take mind numbing deep one step in 2pt shots. Beilein and co. developing reddish is a worthwhile gamble amongst gambles imo. --------------------------------------------
  14. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    Cleveland Cavaliers Mock Off-Season & Draft II: Trade 1 -- The Cleveland Cavaliers Trade the # 5 pick to the Atlanta Hawks for # 8, # 17, #35, and #44 Trade 2 -- Cavs trade JR Smith and the $2.7Mil+ Trade Exception (from Sam Dekker) to Portland for the # 25 overall pick, a future 2nd round pick, Evan Turner, CG Anfernee Simons, and PF Skal Labissiere. Portland gets some immediate space and gets closer to being able to get below the tax and make a critical FA signing. Turner's contract joins the pile of contracts like that of Henson, Delly, Tristan, Clarkson, Knight that can be used the following season as expiring contracts exchanged with cap-space needy franchises' willing to give up 1st round picks. --------------- The Draft 1st Round: 5.) The Atlanta Hawks (via trade w/ CLE) select Jarrett Culver, SG Texas Tech. 8.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ ATL) select Cameron Reddish, SG/SF Duke. 17.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ ATL) select Romeo Langford, SG Indiana 25.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ PDX) select KZ Okpala, SG/SF Stanford 26.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ HOU) select Nicolas Claxton, PF/C Georgia 2nd Round 35.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ ATL) select Deividas Sirvydis, Lithuania (to keep and develop overseas like Cedi Osman) 44.) The Cleveland Cavaliers (via trade w/ ATL) select Paul Eboua, Cameroon (to keep and develop overseas like Cedi Osman) ------- Core Foundation Roster W/O Upcoming Expiring Contracts & Kevin Love: PG/CG: Collin Sexton; Anfernee Simons SG/CG: Romeo Langford; SG/SF: Cam Reddish; KZ Okpala PF/CF: Cedi Osman (small ball line-up); Skal Labissiere (big line-up); C: Larry Nance Jr.; Nicolas Claxton;; Ante Zizic Overseas Developmental Players: SF: Deividas Sirvydis, Lithuania CF/PF: Paul Eboua, Cameroon -------- Next Year Roster W/ 2019-2020 Expiring Contracts & Kevin Love: PG/CG: Collin Sexton; Matthew Dellavadova (a valuable expiring contract the following year at 9mil+); Brandon Knight (a valuable expiring contract the following year at 15mil+) SG/CG: Romeo Langford; Anfernee Simons; Jordan Clarkson (a valuable expiring contract the following year at 13mil+) SG/SF: Cam Reddish; KZ Okpala; Evan Turner (a valuable expiring contract the following year at 18mil+) PF: Cedi Osman (small ball line-up); Larry Nance Jr. (big line-up); Skal Labissiere; C: Kevin Love; Tristan Thompson (big line-up ... a valuable expiring contract the following year at 18mil+); John Henson (a valuable expiring contract the following year at 8mil+); Nicolas Claxton; Ante Zizic
  15. Cavaliers Thread: Embrace The Mediocrity

    The Cavs have the best expiring contract assets heading into next season that can be used to acquire late and potentially additional lottery pick draft capital and/or young players in upcoming years. Kolby Altman has to take advantage of this opportunity to setup the franchise with an abundance of draft assets for the next 3 to 5 years or so depending on when the picks convey. As it stands, there is approximately $66Mil in Contracts Expiring after the 2019-2020 season ($81Mil if we take on an expiring contract equal to JR Smith's contract via pre-draft trade). Those contracts are as follows: 1.) Tristan Thompson (a valuable expiring contract at 18mil+); 2.) Brandon Knight (a valuable expiring contract at 15mil+) 3.) Jordan Clarkson (a valuable expiring contract at 13mil+) 4.) Matthew Dellavadova (a valuable expiring contract at 9mil+); 5.) John Henson (a valuable expiring contract at 8mil+) 6.) $15Mil '19-'20 Expiring Player Contract we'll probably receive via the upcoming pre-draft JR Smith trade to acquire another 1st round pick & draft assets. ------------------------------------- It will be interesting to see if Altman and co. can turn those assets into picks/players that can help us compete in the playoffs in a sustainable way. There's a lot to work with.
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