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  1. New Derek Carr thread

    I can't wrap my head around this. He's 2 years in the league and has in that first year - MVP, and 2nd year - SB trophy. Each year he has a "tippy top of the NFL" accolade to his resume. I hate the damn Chiefs and I 100% root against Mahomes. It eats at me that the Chiefs have him because it's likely we'll be chasing for another 15 years because of it. Why are the Raiders never the team that gets a hold of the star NFL player? Because largely it's an organization of idiots. He is, in a very short period of time, already on a HOF arc. You can disparage his play style all you want but he is, right now, an amazing player. You want to see fail in everything he does because it's so unconventional and for 99% of all QBs it would be a face palm every other play. But not only does it work for him, it works astoundingly well. Whether he is equal to Rodgers or Wilson is inconsequential. He already has the equal of their career accolades in just a short 2 years. Right now, he is undoubtedly the best player in the NFL. And it's no surprise they are hyping him, because he is the peak of the NFL brand right now. A clean cut soft spoken individual killing it on the field. Why wouldn't the NFL want to sell him down people's throats.
  2. Report: Patriots willing to spend 30m to Bring Brady Back

    This is a 2-3 year old narrative. They have just recently sold 460 mil of PSLs, agreed to multiple naming rights deals. They were cash poor from the stadium efforts earlier in the process. They literally upgraded the stadium plan en route by 200 mil because of their improved financial position. Raiders commitment to Carr is also an older narrative. They can cut bait at this point with minimal issue due to his contract structure. .Not that I think it is all going to happen, nor do I agree it should. But what you are putting forth isn't the reasoning why it wouldn't happen.
  3. 2020 NFL Draft Thread

    Oh, ok. Jeez, I thought we moved out of both. I get it, traded back twice with the same pick 19. Not bad then. I think the idea of this is hinged on whether or not Mayock feels he can find premier players in the 3rd and 4th. I am not sure we are the roster point any more where we just need bulk picks because our talent was so abysmal at one point. Now we need to get better talent, more 1st round types..
  4. 2020 NFL Draft Thread

    Despite chart value, I also immediately thought this. Terrible value. The idea of trading back is only good if it is of significant benefit. If you pick up mid picks for it and skip premier players in the process, it's a waste of time. Plus we have 2 firsts. How did we end up with one at 29 and only ended up with a 3rd and 4th? There's no way that matches any chart. A 3rd and 4th for either of the picks is awful return. Let alone trading back both.
  5. Random Raider Stuff

    I'm not buying the media Mayock unhappiness garbage at all after listening to this. He sounds like a guy engaged with all the facets of his work, keeping his head down. Fairly simple. The media loves infantile reality TV type drama crap. So much so that they just make it up on a whim.
  6. 2020 NFL Draft Thread

    You can say I have no idea what I am talking about. Fair enough. But you, like me, are just a random fan. Teams protect their assets, that's their multi billion dollar business. The difference between you and I is that I am at least attempting to understand what a team will or might factually do. Whilst you're wishing the Raiders clean up on a dumb mistake the Chiefs make that is totally unnecessary and highly unlikely. Which is a very fan thing to think. The franchise tag exists for this very reason. Whether Jones is open to playing on a tag means little, he can refuse to show up but the Chiefs still hold his rights and have all the time they need to wait on a trade or leave him sitting at home. Like I said they can play kick the can on him for a year easy, and down the hard road they can do it for 2 or 3 years. Just like Cousins. And whether or not Mahomes gets his extension, also irrelevant. Even if it is an extension, this early, an extension can still carry a pretty low cap hit because it is an extension, which is added years. They can toss him a fat chunk in a bonus right off the bat, but they can also spread it out to soften the blow. I'm also pretty sure players can't sign a second deal until after year 3. It happened with Russell Wilson. You're doing alot of wishing here and pushing hard for it to be the truth, but not enough pragmatic thinking. They have no real pressure to let Jones just mosey on over to Las Vegas for free. Try to see it as if you were a Chiefs fan, and then your team did that. Or perhaps if this was K. Mack back when he was holding out, and not C. Jones. It's a different story when it's your team's player.
  7. 2020 NFL Draft Thread

    No way, nope. Never happens, because it's fantasy. For a number of reasons. Mahomes is a 1st rounder, on a 5 year deal. If he is going to be the worst he can possibly be about it, they still have another year to extend him. They're not pressed yet on a guy who just finished his 2nd year. In that time they can easily fit Jones for a year, which is ample time to keep him around, play the game of "we're not trading him". Even if it's a one year tag. Long enough to get a significant trade offer. They could trade him today for a great offer. They have time to wait for even more value. And even after Mahomes gets the payday, whenever that may be, there are any number of cap games they can play with his deal, other heavy contracts on their roster, and Jones' deal. Whether it's pushing money here and there, extensions, false years, bonuses, and so on. They can do all that on a temporary basis while they hold him as an asset and wait for trade. If you really think he's leaving, think about Cousins. He (Jones) could still be with KC another two or three years before he forces his way off the team scot free. And lacks the leverage of a QB. So no, he's not going to be a UFA. Certainly not this year. And if KC is smart, which they are because they are a winning team and the Raiders are not, they will protect and maximize their asset with the avenues available to them. Which right now are plenty.
  8. 2020 NFL Draft Thread

    Every year you guys with the same stuff. Why would KC let an asset walk away? Even if they can't sign him, when is the last time a premier player just walked away from a team? They have options, even in the worst case scenario, to get a significant return for him.
  9. Around The League V.2

    I think this is the crux of the Carr problems around here. We're all unhappy in some way or another with Carr because no matter his ceiling or how well he does at what he does, he'll never be able to keep up with Mahomes. We're all staring 15 years in the face of chasing Mahomes.
  10. You decide: Do we move on from Carr this offseason?

    This has continually devolved into an endless back and forth. But the middle ground is pretty clear. Carr has done well enough where you don't throw him in the trash as a player and an asset, but not nearly good enough to keep him shielded from adding genuine competition for his position. Acting like he's just a cut is absurd. And acting like he is invulnerable from someone taking his job is equally so. He's a team asset. If a better player is added to replace him, then he is trade bait for the bench until someone ponies up something equal to or beyond his worth.
  11. Player Appreciation Thread

    Undoubtedly. Inflated by the one game is a dumb take. How many great players stats are inflated by games like that? Plenty. He was present nearly every week, and didn't even start the season playing while healing from the broken hand. A very good showing for a 4th rounder, and probably the best value pick of the entire draft based on year one production. If he got the penalty sacks back and started the season healthy with full camp, maybe he has 13 or 15 sacks.
  12. 2020 NFL Draft Thread

  13. Raiders Defense

    I don't think you can bring him back as anything more than a backup and/or someone to groom as a linebacker coach. If he is the starter it is just an utterly idiotic move. To do the same thing that burned this team horribly, again. Sure, starters and depth take time (to drfrey). But this team has utterly and arrogantly ignored the position for years now. It's enough already, from Del Rio and McKenzie to Gruden, going back to Al and so on. I watch this team weekly and I swear it's as if we don't even have linebackers on the field. If the line doesn't stop a run, it's a guaranteed 5-10 yarder. They are never making a play in coverage, burned constantly. The only one of them that makes some plays is Morrow, but his angles and tackling are so bad that he never actually finishes the play he is in position for. And that can't make up for his terrible lapses which cost us points and games numerous times. Every week he makes a game changing bad play or more than one. And he is our best linebacker - think about that. Every one of them, if you are intent on having a good defense, are not fit for more than 5 snaps a game. If they're getting more than that, you no longer have a good defense.
  14. Raiders Defense

    Blame coaches and staff for banking so much of their team's success on a guy who was one strike away from this outcome and showed no indications he wouldn't hit that strike. Same goes for the offense and Antonio Brown. So much banked on an utter headcase. It's a theme on both sides of the ball. Big stupid risks, both failed with bad consequences. Maybe it's long past the time to use some serious draft capital on the linebacking corps, which is abominably bad. I wouldn't even trust any of the current players there to be solid backups, that is how bad it is. Name a guy we have right now that you would want to play in case of injury, and trust that guy to keep a good defense playing well. None, not Morrow, Whitehead, Lee, Compton, none. On a good or great defense they don't make the roster. I don't think any of them are even capable of being high end specialists, 5-10 snap guys in tightly defined roles. That's how bad our unit is. Week in and week out their unit is nowhere to be found. Did we have one linebacker have one notably good game all year? Not one.
  15. 2020 NFL Draft Thread

    I'm going to spout off again on this. I think talk of drafting a DE is crazy at this point. Our LB unit is so absurdly bad. We haven't invested in the position since McClain. Draft a linebacker of note, or two. Yeah, we need a DE. So does any team. Our LB unit makes our defense look like we're playing 11 on 8 almost every play. And that is not an exxageration. I can't even pick out where the LBs are most plays from beginning to end.