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  1. Rodgers without question.
  2. Shaun Alexander; HOFer?

    We may not like it, but it has been a benchmark for hall of famers for years. I don't think Davis or Alexander should be in. However, I don't find Davis case to be that much more convincing them Alexanders. Yes, Davis has the playoff success and performances. But they both have an MVP, Davis has two more all-pros, and both were on the All-Decade team for their era. My point is, if you are going to put TD in, then you open up the door for guys like Alexander, who cleared some major benchmarks and had a longer prime. Seattle's running game went from 3rd in rushing yards to 14th. And once again, you are overblowing the loss of Hutchinson. The issue was Alexander got hurt (which you can attribute to heavy workload over 4-5 years), he broke his foot and never really recovered. Alexander had over 1600 carries in 5 year span, that is a ton. To make matters worse, Alexander had 370 carries his final productive year. Outside of LT in 2002, most RBs see a massive drop off in production or end up getting injured after that kind of workload. That is what happened to Ricky Williams in 2003, Larry Johnson in 2007, Michael Turner in 2009, Demarco Murray in 2015. The human body just isn't built to take that kind of workload. You are opening a can of warms, because both of those guys saw either their production go down as their talented offensive lines aged (Emmitt) or a massive increase in efficiency behind a great offensive line (Faulk) when they switched teams. After 1995, Emmitt Smith never topped anything higher then 4.2 YPC, and he was still relatively in his prime from 1996-1997. Faulk never topped anything higher then 4.1 in Indy, but he jumps to 5.5, 5.4, and 5.3 once he gets to the Rams. This is what I mean when I said you are opening up a can of worms by claiming Alexander is a product of his surroundings. A lot of backs played behind great offensive lines and he isn't the first, or will be the last, to do so.
  3. Shaun Alexander; HOFer?

    And? Neither cracked the 100 td benchmark. Alexander is going to be the only one with over 100 touchdowns not in the NFL HOF. If we are going to throw Alexander out for playing behind a great OL, then throw Davis (and quite a few other HOF RBs) out as well. At least in Alexander's case, the Seahawks running game fell apart when he declined, I can't say the same for the Broncos when Davis blew out his knee. Hell, Emmitt Smith became a compiler when Dallas line began to decline in the mid-90s and Marshall Faulk's saw a noticeable jump in his numbers and efficiency once he started to play for the Rams behind their great OL. You are opening up a can of worms when you start to single out certain RBs for playing behind great OL's. Also the Hutchinson narrative is overblown. Alexander started to decline because his body began to wear out due to a heavy workload, the same thing happened to LT at the same age.
  4. Shaun Alexander; HOFer?

    He is top 15 all-time in total touchdowns and everyone in the top 20 is either in or going to be in the hall of fame. And no matter how much some people want to spin it, TD getting in set a new precedent. So yeah, he probably should get in.
  5. Why Aaron Rodgers Doesnt Have 2 Super Bowl Rings

    I don't remember Brady vs Rodgers ever being a serious debate concerning the MVP in 2014. I remember Rivers and Peyton dominating the first two months and then they fell off and Rodger got hot and ran away with award, however both Watt and Romo made a late season run. No, He wasn't. Rodgers ANY/A was a full point higher then Brees in 2011. He was more productive and much more efficient (Rodgers passer rating was about 12 points higher, that is about the same gap between 2017 Brady's passer rating and 2017 Tyrod Taylor. ). I bet if Rodgers team finished with the same record as the Saints, Rodgers still wins the MVP in a landslide. He was just flat out better then Brees that year by noticeable margin. Yes, I agree with this. Rodgers (outside of 2011 and 2014) never had a large gap over the his contemporaries that Favre did. Maybe that is due to the QB's being better in his era (granted it isn't like the QBs in the mid-90s were scrubs).
  6. Gronk will if healthy.
  7. Why Aaron Rodgers Doesnt Have 2 Super Bowl Rings

    There was quite a gap between Brees and Rodgers in 2011. Brees may have had the bulk stats, but Rodgers blew him out the door in terms of efficiency. And there was not really an MVP debate between Brady and Rodgers in 2014, if anything Romo was a bigger threat to Rodgers then Brady was in terms of winning MVP. 2011 and 2014 were the only years in which it was really "Rodgers then everyone else". But every other year, the gap between Rodgers and everyone else is much smaller and in some cases, he wasn't the best QB that season (ex. 2013, 2015 and 2016).
  8. Why Aaron Rodgers Doesnt Have 2 Super Bowl Rings

    He may have been the best during that stretch, but the gap between Rodgers and Brady, Peyton, and Brees was a lot smaller then the gap between Favre and his contemporaries in the mid-90s.
  9. Why Aaron Rodgers Doesnt Have 2 Super Bowl Rings

    It is hard to say. Rodgers has the numbers, but he never had a stretch like Favre did in the mid-90s where he was undoubtedly the best QB in the game. From 95-97, it was Favre then everyone else, I don't think you can say the same for A-Rod outside of 2011.
  10. How Crucial Do you Consider The Offensive Line?

    DL is more important then the OL. We have seen teams with bad OL's win the Super Bowl. The 2008 Steelers, 2011 Giants, 2013 Seahawks, 2014 Patriots, 2015 Broncos all had pretty poor offensive lines, but they were able to get away with it because of the QBs ability to move (Big Ben and Wilson) or get rid of the ball quickly (Brady, Eli, and Peyton). On flip side, how many teams have won the Super Bowl by being terrible in the defensive line? Maybe the 2006 Colts, that is the only team I can think of in recent memory.
  11. 2018 NFL Top 100 Players

    Andre (2008-2013)-7,365 yards and 34 touchdowns Calvin (2011-2015)-7428 yards and 50 touchdowns These are theirs numbers when healthy during their prime (I left off AJ's 2011 season he barely played that year, if you want to add that in AJ has 429 more yards in Calvin during his 5 year run and 36 touchdowns). Either way, Calvin's five year run is not all that far off rom AJ, who you have ranked 8th. On top of that, Calvin had three year stretch (2011-2013), where he was undoubtably considered the best WR in the NFL, I am not sure you could say the same thing for Cris Carter.
  12. Offseason Rumor Thread

    To be fair to Ben, he did say right after the Jags loss that he wanted to play another 3 years.
  13. 2018 NFL Top 100 Players

    He is right. Frank Gore is fifth all-time in rushing yards. How many people consider him a top ten RB of all-time?
  14. 2018 NFL Top 100 Players

    Steve Smith and Michael Irvin I could see, but putting Boldin and Wayne up there with Calvin is nonsense.
  15. Raiders sign former Chiefs MLB Derrick Johnson

    I know. My point is Pags defenses have historically done pretty well at the end of the season.