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  1. Dallas will certainly be an interesting team to keep tabs on if there is a 2020 season. But I don't think former Packer 1st round pick Clinton-Dix will be in the mix much, even if the Cowboys don't land Earl Thomas. @GehlkenNFL Cowboys signed Ha Ha Clinton-Dix in March to be their starting safety. Based on camp so far, that won’t be the case. Darian Thompson more impressive so far. This competition will continue to unfold. Clinton-Dix signed a one-year contract with $2.25M fully guaranteed. 8:09 AM · Aug 23, 2020
  2. The Packers D was indeed mostly putrid while Rodgers was still ascending/reaching his prime and less expensive under the cap between 2011-2013. But the putridness of the defense was hardly due merely to crap luck. Poor personnel decisions played a much greater role. To take but one example from the post above, the notion that there was not enough $ to pay Jenkins is poppycock. There was in fact plenty of cap space to re-sign Cullen after the SB win, but the previous GM decided to instead spend that $ on A.J. Hawk. "The Packers said they valued Hawk’s contributions highly, and they proved it with this deal. He will be one of the most highly paid inside linebackers in football." https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/07/a-j-hawk-will-get-almost-11-million-in-2011/ The Pack's DLine immediately took a hit when Jenkins was allowed to walk and his contributions not replaced while Hawk rewarded the team for investing in him with year after year of mediocre to subpar play capped off by his never to be forgotten 2015 NFC Championship game performance. Investing significant $ in A.J. Hawk was stupid not bad luck. And once Bishop (who was by far the best ILBer in 2010) got hurt in the 2012 pre-season, the best the Packers could do over the next couple of seasons at the other ILB spot was to overpay converted OLBer Brad Jones, who was somehow even worse than Hawk - putrid ILB play being a staple of the Packer D during the past decade. The pitiful Safety play in 2012 and 2013 following Nick Collins's career-ending injury (in Sept. of 2011) was similarly the result of poor personnel decisions rather than just bad luck. The Pack had the perfect opportunity to select Collins' successor in the 2012 draft in Harrison Smith. Instead, they used their first pick on Perry, a 4-3 college DE who publicly declared he did not want to play OLB, and then the Vikings took Smith with the very next pick. For some reason, even a significant % of knowledgeable Packers' fans seem to forget just how historically awful the Safety play was during this period. In 2013, the top 3 Safeties heading into the season were Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, and Jerron McMillian. How'd they play? "Combined, Burnett and Jennings produced a season frighteningly devoid of overall impact The two combined to play just south of 1,800 defensive snaps in 2013, counting the playoffs. Yet Burnett and Jennings finished the season with zero interceptions, zero forced fumbles, five passes defensed, four tackles for losses and four fumble recoveries. That's an underwhelming season for one safety, much less two. Opposing quarterbacks certainly liked throwing against the pair. Overall, Burnett and Jennings allowed 46 catches on 60 attempts for 612 yards, nine touchdowns and a passer rating of 148.1. No other safety combination playing more than 1,200 combined snaps was worse in opposing passer rating in 2013. The idea that Burnett didn't hurt the Packers is the fallacy. He missed 11 combined tackles, which trailed only A.J. Hawk's 13. Opposing quarterbacks targeted him 40 times, completing 29 passes for 414 yards and four touchdowns. His passer rating against finished at 135.8, the eighth-worst among qualifying safeties. Almost unbelievably, Jennings played over 850 snaps but failed to produce a defensed pass. He was the only safety in the NFL to fail to break up or intercept a pass when playing that often. The Packers inexplicably started M.D. Jennings 17 times in 2013 and 12 in 2012. The defense received next to nothing in return." Inconceivably, McMillian was even worse than Burnett and Jennings. "McMillian, a 2012 fourth-round pick, played extensively the first six weeks but then saw nothing but special teams snaps after a bevy of mistakes nailed him to the bench. He failed to produce a turnover before the Packers gave up on him in early December. McMillian's release was telling for a team hurting so badly at safety and in a league craving better play at the position. He still doesn't have an NFL job (and never found another one)." (Recap of the Pack's 2013 Safety play here - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1913962-fixing-the-green-bay-packers-defense-must-start-at-safety). "The Packers’ safeties didn’t record an interception for the first time since at least the 1950s, while the defense allowed 61 pass plays of 20 yards or more." https://www.twincities.com/2014/01/20/green-bay-packers-safety-issues-could-be-solved-in-draft/ And it was hardly crap luck that led to the Packers relying upon these 3 Safeties heading into 2013, that was the plan all along. "The Green Bay Packers addressed every position of need in the 2013 NFL Draft -- except for safety. General manager Ted Thompson brought in bodies at running back, defensive line, offensive line, linebacker and receiver, but a safety surprisingly was missing. That's a significant show of faith in M.D. Jennings and Jerron McMillian. 'I'm confident in those young men,' Thompson said ... They played well last year.'" https://www.nfl.com/news/green-bay-packers-ignore-safeties-in-2013-nfl-draft-0ap1000000165055 Of course, no discussion about the Pack's putrid defensive play between 2011-2013 would be complete without mentioning the elephant in the personnel room during that time. The Packers D finished dead last in terms of yardage allowed in 2011. It also finished 22nd in the NFL giving up 22.1 offensive points per game. Everyone was aware that there were significant holes on D. Yet, not a single veteran was added to bolster the D that offseason. After the first 6 picks of the 2012 draft were all devoted to the defensive side of the ball, the D improved all the way up to 18th in offensive points allowed (21.4) per game And then again no veterans were brought in to help the D that offseason. The Packers failure to add a single veteran free agent or to consummate a single player trade to improve the defensive talent in 2011, 2012, and 2013 was the result of conscious decisions made by the previous GM not crap luck.
  3. Are we referring to the the final 3 weeks of the 2018 season? If so, let's recap:No TFLs, no Sacks for the Adams-Lancaster-Lowry trio. Week 15 = Chicago 24-GB 17. The Trubisky-led Bears rush for 100 yards and Mitchell passes for 235 yards, 2 TDs and no picks. Adams had 1/2 a sack, none for Lancaster or Lowry and no TFLs among the trio, though Lancaster did lead the team with 5 unassisted tackles. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/12/16/chicago-bears-mitch-trubisky-picks-apart-green-bay-packers-his-terms/2317515002/ Week 16 = GB 44-NY Jets 38. Rookie Sam Darnold throws for 345 yards, 3TDs and no picks for the 4-11 Jets. His 128.4 QB rating is a season high. No TFLs, no Sacks for the Adams-Lancaster-Lowry trio. https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2018/12/23/live-updates-analysis-score-green-bay-packers-new-york-jets/2401578002/ Week 17 = Detroit 31-GB 0. Somebody named Zack Zenner rushes for 93 yards (4.4 YPC) and the Lions as a team gain 130 yards. Stafford throws for 266, 2TDs, and no picks for the 5-10 (entering the game) Lions. "With good protection from his offensive line, Stafford completely dissected the Packers’ depleted secondary." No TFLs, no Sacks for the Adams-Lancaster-Lowry trio. Lowry had 2 passes defensed. https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/1/1/18163852/detroit-lions-week-17-5-game-ball-candidates-vs-packers/comment/500415845 Given that these were meaningless games to play out the season and the D did not really stand out against two bad teams and a good team with a mediocre offense, can anyone really be certain that in the final 3 games of 2018 Adams, Lancaster, and Lowry proved they could "play well" collectively in the NFL?
  4. And the week before the 2016 NFCC slaughter in Atlanta, Rodgers threw for 355 yard and the offense put up 34 points in Dallas. Meanwhile, the vaunted Pack D held the Cowboys to 31 points. Oh, and for the record, the here are the Packers last 10 first round/top picks: 2012 Nick Perry OLB 2013 Datone Jones DE 2014 Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix 2015 Damarious Randall Safety (well in GB he was forced to play CB) 2016 Kenny Clark DT 2017 Kevin King CB (traded out of the first, King the first pick of the second round) 2018 Jaire Alexander CB 2019 Rashan Gary OLB & Darnell Savage Safety 2020 Jordan Love QB So, the Packers drafted defensive players nine consecutive times with their top pick until nine days ago when they drafted a QB.
  5. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am in no way comparing Rodgers post-season accomplishments with those of Tom Brady. There is no comparison. Brady has been better than Rodgers in the playoffs. But Brady also benefitted from having a far, far superior supporting cast from GM to HC to the defense. For example, no one discounts Brady's role in the Pats 13-3 SB victory over the Rams in an obvious "team" win. And for context, consider that when Atlanta slaughtered GB 44-21 in the 2016 NFCC game, it marked the third time the Packers D had given up 44 or points in a playoff loss with Rodgers at QB. By contrast, at that point, Tom Brady's D in NE had never once given up 44 of more points ... in any of his 267 starts as a Patriot. The narrative that the Packers have somehow failed in the playoffs specifically or even principally due to Rodgers while ignoring the undeniable reality that Green Bay's defense has been mostly trash during those playoff defeats is straight bullcrap.
  6. Rodgers certainly has not been great in NFC Championship games. But no one should ignore just how crappy the defenses have been in Green Bay since 2010 (with the 2019 D being a bit better ... until it got exposed as frauds by SF in the NFCC). Compare, for example the respective defensive scoring rankings of Green Bay and New England since Rodgers became the starter in 2008: 2019 - NE: 1 - GB: 9 2018 - NE: 7 - GB: 22 2017 - NE: 5 - GB: 26 2016 - NE: 1 - GB: 21 2015 - NE: 10 - GB: 12 2014 - NE: 8 - GB: 13 2013 - NE: 10 - GB: 24 2012 - NE: 9 - GB: 11 2011 - NE: 15 - GB: 19 2010 - NE: 8 - GB: 2 2009 - NE: 5 - GB: 7 2008 - NE: 8 - GB: 22 Avg: NE 7 - GB - 16 Brady had top 10 defenses every season for 12 years between 2008-2019 except one while Rodgers had 3 (in 2009 lost WC 51-45, 2010 won SB, and 2019 lost NFCC). The Packers defense has, if anything, performed even worse in the playoffs -- as SI made clear after the latest playoff debacle in January. "It wouldn’t be a Green Bay Packers playoff game without a defensive meltdown. Sunday’s NFC Championship Game, a 37-20 loss to the San Francisco 49ers, joins the pantheon of colossal defensive failures that have been a black eye on Aaron Rodgers’ playoff legacy. In his eight playoff losses, Green Bay has given up an average of 36.4 points and never held the opponent to less than 23." https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/another-playoff-loss-another-defensive-debacle How does that compare to Brady in New England? The Patriots under Brady gave up 33-plus just twice IN HIS PLAYOFF CAREER. They were 0-2 in those games.
  7. I think some are underselling just how bad Allison was in 2019 and just how much of an improvement Funchess will be if he has a season that, as you describe above, he is fully capable of having. That said, unless ESB or MVS breaks out, the WR grouping of Funchess, Lazard, and Davante is not exactly fast. I don't know how anyone can put much faith in MVS after what transpired last season, so here's hoping has a breakout 2020 because it looks like the Packers are going to really need him.
  8. I think the need to address glaring roster deficiencies elsewhere is probably the correct answer to the question of why there has been no 2nd round WR (or higher) selected in 7 years. Unfortunately, that roster redo did not exactly turn out as hoped when, immediately after D. Adams was selected in 2014, they went Rollins, Spriggs, J. Jones, and J. Jackson in round 2.
  9. That is kind of harsh, don't you think?
  10. Andrew Brandt, who was there on the inside when everything went down in GB during the Favre-Rodgers transition, wrote a piece in SI yesterday saying why, in regards to the Love-Rodgers transition, "I get it, but this cannot end well." Today on Rich Eisen's show, Favre says, regarding potential conflict involving Rodgers as a result of the selection of Love, "at some point it will rear its ugly head" and that (after speaking with Rodgers post-draft) he believes Rodgers will play somewhere other than Green Bay before his career is over. Brett has been known to blather on about any number of subjects, though he is uniquely positioned to opine on this one. Brandt is a shrewd observer not given to hysteria. There should be no shortage of drama (real or conjured up by the media) in Green Bay presuming football is played in 2020.
  11. I'll noted Degaura's 4.72 40 time in response to yet another attempt to fluff the pick by claiming he might be the next Delanie Walker (whose 40 time was elite). Loving the player and the pick is on thing, pretending Deguara is a good pick because he could be the next Delanie Walker while ignoring their glaring speed differentials, is just ignorant.
  12. Is 4.72 40 Deguara really being compared to Delanie Walker? Delanie Walker ran a 4.54 40. Speed was what separated Walker from the average Joe athlete. "According to a New York Times report last week, which analyzed data provided by Sportradar, Walker reached a top speed of 19.82 miles per hour during a play this season. No other tight end among the league’s other 31 franchises matched that burst." https://www.nashvillepost.com/sports/tennessee-titans/blog/20988072/walkers-speed-separates-him-from-rest-of-nfls-tight-ends There is a lot to like about Deguara's makeup, but he is not and never will be like Walker. His measurables are far more similar to 4.71 40 (pro day) Juszczyk.
  13. Through 2014, the previous GM repeatedly struck gold with his early WR selections - Jennings, J. Jones, Nelson, Cobb, and Adams. But since 2015, there has been a definite downward slide in WR talent in GB. 2015 is when Nelson tore his ACL, he had one more productive year (with Rodgers at QB) in 2016, did very little in 2017 (with Hundley at QB most of the year), and was sent off for a swan song in Oakland in 2018. Jones came back for one last dance in 2015, but was done after that. Cobb battled injury and just looked old his last few seasons in GB. He had a bounce back year as the 4th weapon in Dallas last year, so maybe he was underutilized ... but Rodgers always loved Randall so hard to figure that he froze him out. Adams has been the one force who has steadily gotten better and better at WR. If anything, TE has been worse. In 2015, Richard Rodgers was the prime target at TE. Cook flashed for a few games after his injury in 2016, but that was followed by the Bennet debacle and then the Graham signing, which while not a debacle certainly can't be considered a good move. Thus, while it is definitely deceiving to focus on the lack of 1st round picks Rodgers has had to throw to (given all the very good 2nd-3rd round picks at WR), it is also inaccurate to claim that Rodgers weapons in the passing game have not declined, and declined precipitously, since the last time the Pack used a pick in rounds 1-3 on a WR ... in 2014.
  14. SF killed us in the NFC Championship game because they ran the ball over and over and over again and we could not stop it. Does anyone really Pettine and the D did not know the run was coming by halftime -- when they'd already gotten their ***** collectively handed to them?
  15. Andrew Brandt on the Love selection: The Packers have the most fortunate (and spoiled) front office and fan base in the NFL when it comes to the quarterback position. They have had a franchise quarterback leading their team for almost thirty years! And they now believe they have secured the future to hopefully continue that streak another 10-15 years with Jordan Love. I get it, but this cannot end well. https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/28/green-bay-packers-draft-jordan-love-aaron-rodgers-deja-vu?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
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