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  1. Random Packer News & Notes

    Absolutely. Looking forward to what Pettine can do on D with (hopefully) some decent OLB play, a new, yet veteran, safety, fewer old regime lieutenants looking over his shoulder, and who knows what in the upcoming draft. Hard to believe the offense won't be more innovative and productive under MLF, but that of course remains to be seen. We may, I say may, even have a Special Teams unit that is not an overall embarrassment. Anyway, could not agree more with the notion that it is refreshing that the staleness that had permeated the organization for years may have finally come to an end.
  2. Arron jones

    I agree with everything you state above but am curious what Coach LaFleur might do with Williams.
  3. Arron jones

    I really like Jones as well. However, I really wonder about Williams' role in the new offensive scheme. As for drafting a RB, I fully concur and would not be shocked if 2 RBs got drafted, one in the mid rounds and another late.
  4. Focusing on the specifics of Dunne's article is burying the lede. For many years, lazy national pundits and certain delusional Packer fans insisted Green Bay's previous GM, head coach Mike McCarthy, and QB Aaron Rodger were all "great" and that anyone claiming otherwise was an imbecile. Moreover, for such Packers fans, the notions that (1) McCarthy may not really be an offensive genius and should have been held responsible for the recurring poor special teams and defensive play and (2) the GM's disdain for free agency and refusal to make player trades might be a bug rather than a feature were for years met with ridicule and scorn and of course chest beating about how the Pack was winning so many regular season games and NFC North Titles (while ignoring the fact that the Lions, Bears, and Vikings were not exactly been very good during the operative time period). Thus, many claiming Dunne is simply regurgitating yesterday's news are, in reality, seething that he has exposed the Pack's dysfunction for all to see. Dunne's article has effectively destroyed the notion that the Packers previous GM and Head Coach were anything special (at least over the last 1/2 of their tenures in Green Bay) and has seriously called into question Aaron Rodgers' greatness as a QB (not his talent but his greatness). The former GM's time in the NFL appears to be over as he is rumored to be too infirm to even travel on his own any longer so his legacy is cemented. Whether McCarthy gets another shot at head coach remains to be seen, but if he does not get one or if he gets another one and fails not even his biggest fans will likely ever consider him to be a "great" coach again. As for Rodgers, no one will ever question his great talent, but if he ends his career with just one Super Bowl appearance many will not think of "greatness" when they look back on his career - least of all Rodgers himself (from a 2013 interview with Bob Costas): "I really believe that you earn your paycheck during the season," Rodgers told Costas. "[You] play at a high level and get your team to the playoffs. And then the postseason is all about creating your legacy. The great quarterbacks are remembered for their playoff successes and triumphs and Super Bowl championships and Super Bowl MVPs. We've got one here, and we want to add to that."
  5. Fouts as in Dan Fouts? "Dan Fouts ... used to wear a hat around the Chargers facility that said “MFIC” on it, which stood for Mother F-cker in Charge." Good read below about all the "choirboy" QBs who've succeeded in the NFL. https://footballfilmroom.com/2015/03/24/why-are-teams-concerned-with-mariotas-personality/ Also like this tidbit about Manning: "Peyton Manning is known for his command of the entire offense, both in practice and during games. He isn’t afraid to yell at other players and assistant coaches in order to hold them accountable for mental mistakes. He’s in charge and everyone knows it (Just ask Colts center Jeff Saturday, who got into a classic shouting match on the sidelines with him back in 2005).
  6. ^^^ This is the hard truth that certain delusional fans of the Packers former GM and former head coach McCarthy just can't escape. Some fans truly considered a GM who refused make player trades, signed fewer free agents than any other NFL GM, and continued to devote a disproportionate amount of draft capital to a defense that alternated from average to crappy over the second half of his tenure to somehow be "great." Now, as more and more stories come out about how the former GM literally fell asleep in meetings, was mentally "not there," and refused to communicate with others in the organization there seems to be a chorus building from his loyal followers that the GM's declining performance must be excused because his health was deteriorating. It may or may not be true that his medical issues adversely affected him, but what is indisputably true is that his performance as a GM between 2011-2017 was not very good. As for McCarthy, again a sizable contingent of Packer fans viewed his simple, basic approach to the game as "genius" and continue to refuse to believe his "success" depended upon superior offensive talent (prior to 2011 the Pack did draft a lot of talent especially on offense and not just at QB with Rodgers). Thus, even after Rodgers went down in 2017 and the backup QB (Hundley, who McCarthy had been grooming for 3 seasons) and the rest of the offense looked like a Pee Wee league team (shut out twice, at Lambeau), and most objective fans concluded Rodgers' absence had exposed the lack of overall talent on the team and McCarthy's coaching deficiencies, the loyalists continued to contend he is a 'great" coach. McCarthy's fans were also sure this "great" coach would be scooped up in a heartbeat if GB were foolish enough to let him go. They specifically pointed to Cleveland a team with a GM (Dorsey) and other front office personnel (Wolf & Highsmith) who came from GB and a promising young QB in Mayfield whom McCarthy's fans were sure the Browns would want to have tutored by the alleged "QB whisperer." When Cleveland took a hard pass on Mac and no other team came a calling the new explanation from the McCarthy loyalists is that he just wants to sit out a year before some lucky NFL team snatches him up. We'll see. As it stands, the Packers former GM left the building at the end of the 2017 season and is rumored to be in such a poor state that he may not even be able to attend his induction into the team's HOF. McCarthy is at home and unemployed. Meanwhile, McCarthy's final offensive coordinator Joe Philbin (after his second go around in GB) is unemployed. McCarthy's long-time and loyal assistant head coach Winston Moss is unemployed. His longtime defensive coordinator Dom Capers (the architect of so many blowout losses in the playoffs) was finally fired by McCarthy after the 2017 season, went unemployed in 2018, and now is some low-level consultant with the Jaguars, and his final STs coordinator Ron Zook took his talents to the AAF (and an entire thread could be devoted to the putrid STs play in GB over McCarthy's tenure -- think 2014 NFC Championship loss to Seattle and recall that the onside kick debacle was the 2nd worse STs play that day). The lack of interest in McCarthy's top assistants is not exactly an endorsement of his ability to put together a staff -- or of the coaching staff in GB these past several seasons. The Packers certainly had a lot of relative success while the previous GM and McCarthy were in charge between 2005-2018. The team also had Hall Of Famers at QB for every one of those seasons (Favre for 3 season and Rodgers thereafter) and made just one Super Bowl. Seems pretty clear the QBs were the principal reason for that success. As a Packers fan, it is just a shame that the greatness at QB was paired with a GM and head coach who were not all that great.
  7. Wonder where former OC Joe Philbin, longtime DC Dom Capers, Associate Head Coach Winston Moss, and STs Coordinator Ron Zook are at in this discussion. Surprised we have heard Mac's "braintrust" chime in yet. Perhaps that is coming soon.
  8. Nobody can blame the former GM if the reason that he performed so poorly over the latter part of his career is due to poor health and I certainly agree that whatever unconfirmed and unspecified malady or maladies he may suffer from are nothing to joke about. I also agree that the Packers organization in its entirety shares blame for allowing him to continue on as long as he did given how poorly he was performing his duties. But anyone contending that the prior GM's RECORD has not been DEFENDED to the hilt by certain of his most zealous fans is either in denial or is new to this site. In the end, whether it was due to poor health, the loss of Dorsey, Schneider, or something else, the performance of the previous GM markedly deteriorated over the latter half of his tenure in Green Bay and that is something many of his DEFENDERS have had a hard time digesting.
  9. Random Packer News & Notes

    Rodgers has always come off as smug, arrogant, one who does not suffer fools easily, and supremely talented. In the right environment, supreme talent can overcome smugness, arrogance, etc. Some of the top performers in their fields (Michael Jordan, Steve Jobs, Vince Lombardi) are not always fun to be around. In NE, the talent of smug, arrogant QB Tom Brady has been maximized by a truly great (and intellectual) head coach/GM who knows how to handle his star QB even though there does not appear to be any love lost between them on a personal level. In GB, the talents of the even more talented (than Brady) QB Rodgers have not been maximized. Now that the illusion that all was well in GB the past several years has been destroyed, and given that Brady has already gone to 9 SBs, Peyton Manning went to 4, Roethlisberger to 3, Eli Manning 2, Russel Wilson 2, etc., there is no reason not to expect further recriminations over the Packers failure to get to a second SB with Rodgers.
  10. Gute's Amazing Roster Purge

    Gute has really focused his roster purge on the defensive side of the ball. 4 of the "top" 5 OLBs he inherited are gone as are 2 of the 3 ILBs, all of the CBs save King and all of the Safeties other than J. Jones. He has moved on from at least 7 starters (depending upon what D you consider to be base) from the 2017 defense. Many of the defensive players who are gone from that 2017 D had been with the team for 3 or more years (Matthews, Perry, Ryan, Randall, Rollins, Burnett, Brice, and HHCD). Looks like Gute agrees with your point that the defense had obviously been failing for years and has decided to transform the "talent" on that side of the ball.
  11. Gute's Amazing Roster Purge

    For the years 2011-2017, the Packers D was, at its best, an average unit. It was also a below average unit most of those years. In 2011, the Packers finished 32nd in the NFL (that is dead last) in yards allowed and 19th in points allowed. The Packers defensive DVOA rankings for 2013-2016 (could not find 2011 and 2012) are as follows: 2013: 29th 2014: 18th 2015: 14th 2016: 23rd Where the Packers were ABOVE average on defense during this time was in spending on defensive players (active roster cap). The Pack's ranking on amount of cap space spent on the defense for 2013-2016, as set forth below, reveals that Green Bay poured a lot of money into those average to below average performing defensive units: 2013: 6th 2014; 4th 2015: 5th 2016: 6th The Packers also used their top draft choice on defensive players each year between 2012-2016 (and its top four picks on the D in 2012). Tremendous resources (financial and draft capital) were devoted to the D between 2011 and 2016. I doubt even Dom Capers would contend the Packers got an adequate return on their investment.
  12. Whither Josh Jones?

    That is my thinking as well and the ILB talent is not exactly overflowing. Would like to see Jones get some run at a hybrid, close to the LOS position, but am curious if that is how the Packers intend to use him.
  13. Whither Josh Jones?

    I like his athleticism, but does that translate to a role on the D this season? And, if so, what is that role? Next to Martinez down in the box? There certainly is not much to write home about at ILB presently besides Blake. At S? Amos will play, but Tramon can hardly be guaranteed a spot, but does that mean Josh J gets Tramon's snaps if Tramon does not see the field at S? Obviously, the draft may clarify things, but at this point Josh J's projected role is one of the bigger roster enigmas I see heading into 2019. What do folks foresee happening, at this (pre-draft) point, with Josh J in 2019?
  14. Packers Signing Preston Smith

    I know right. The notion trotted out by some that the reason the Packers previously signed so few UFAs was because it's just too hard to get guys to come to Green Bay compared to other spots around the NFL was always ludicrous. Where there is will (and available $) to spend on free agents, FAs will inevitably follow. For those who remained skeptical of this irrefutable truism, in just two years as GM, Gute has eviscerated the tired excuse that free agents won't sign with Green Bay.
  15. Clay Matthews Signs with Rams

    Clay's sacks during the last five seasons playing OLB in Green Bay: 2018 - 3.5 2017 - 7.5 2016 - 5 2015 - 6.5 2013 - 7.5 It has been a long, long time since Clay has been a premiere edge rusher even though he was paid and appeared in commercials like he was still a top performer over the past several years. (He did have 11 sacks in 2014 when playing ILB). Perhaps Donald's push in the middle will create some clean up opportunities for him, but Clay has not been able to consistently win 1 on 1 battles with Tackles for years now.