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  1. New Low for the Organization?

    The biggest issue I have is that we probably didn’t add more pass catching weapons because we had AB. This season is pivotal in Carr’s career and he’s now stuck once again with a bottom five supporting cast.
  2. First impressions of Mike Mayock's first draft as GM

    You know we can watch these players ourselves
  3. First impressions of Mike Mayock's first draft as GM

    "Right next to each other, at that position" = Ferrell is DE2. Dont think you can clearly interpret this as meaning they had similar grades. If you do interpret it as Mayock having Bosa and Ferrell as having really similar grades then that indicates an even bigger concern regarding Mayock's evaluation ability.
  4. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    Kind of interesting nugget - Ted Nguyen said that he heard Ferrell was a Gruden pick on his podcast tonight.
  5. 2019 Draft Recap

    Well you can go into the Clelin Ferrell thread if you want my opinion on him as a player. Generally in my experience saying “I had player X ranked here” doesn’t go over too well.
  6. 2019 Draft Recap

    I watch the players myself, not relying on experts. The conversation wouldn’t go anywhere if I just said “he was my #22 overall player.” I’m excited to root for Ferrell and he seems like a phenomenal guy, just think top 5 is way too rich.
  7. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    Then why are we spending a top 5 pick on it?
  8. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    why the hell do you have the same names lol
  9. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    Well i confused you with raider4life, my apologies.
  10. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    See below - I literally just went back to that thread and saw us arguing over Kolton Miller a day or two after the draft.
  11. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    Kind of funny I just went back to the Kolton Miller thread from last year and what do you know - you and I were arguing about that pick as well. (For the record this pick isn't NEARLY as bad as the Kolton Miller pick but the underlying issue is the same --> picking position over player).
  12. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    Whatever the Raiders do you guys are going to support, no point in arguing further. I bet that if I presented this draft in here 5 days ago as my mock draft the reaction would be incredibly negative.
  13. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    No they didn't - he was a big name that people knew because he went to Clemson. Dane Brugler had him as Edge4 pre-combine and DJ had him #22 overall pre-combine. Regardless, that shouldnt even matter. People have the ability to properly weigh the value of athletic testing and disregarding athleticism for an Edge rusher is silly. Why would you say that? Why would you say that? see the first response to raider4life
  14. Pick is in, #4 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson

    Dude we can watch these players ourselves. Here are my rankings if you're actually interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/bc3cj3/chwf3rds_final_offensive_positional_rankings/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/bc8uie/chwf3rds_final_defensive_positional_rankings/ I'm mentioning other analysts just so the conversation doesnt devolve into just me defending my personal analysis and to show that there was/is a consensus amongst respected analysts. If you want to talk about Oliver I'll share my opinion. He's a fantastic pass rusher but didnt have the sack production because he played out of position at Houston. You watch his film and he's consistently disruptive snap after snap. Furthermore, the upside is tremendous given that he played under less than ideal coaching at Houston, played out of position, and still hasn't really learned to use his hands. He's completely sufficient as a run defender if you use him at his proper position - 3 tech. He struggles anchoring against double teams because he's undersized but thankfully we dont need to ask him to play nose guard like Houston did. People aren't high on Ferrell because he's a low ceiling player unlikely to ever be the main pass rusher for a team. He's solid vs the run, has a decent get off, and good hand usage. He can't corner at all and was not a dominant presence at Clemson. He should be solid and he seems like an awesome person and leader but that's not the kind of player I want at #4 overall. Who I would've drafted over Ferrell: Oliver, Allen, Sweat, Simmons, Hockenson, Burns, White, Bush, Tillery, Gary.