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  1. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I think he means Jonah. Q Williams is going to be amazing IMO.
  2. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I think Hockenson is the exact type of TE that LaFleur needs moving forward as well. I think any TE that is drafted this year is going to need at least a year to develop in LaFleur's offense as well. Moreau and Warring might get there in year 2, but I like the Hockenson ceiling and floor in this offense so much more then floor for Moreau and Warring in year 2 lol. I just have no interest in spending the #12 pick in Hockenson- too rich for my blood for that position in the draft.
  3. 2019 Draft Discussion

    To me it is like drafting a punter before round 6- he better become a HOFer. If it is late in the first round and you hit the jackpot with a pick at 12, maybe, but again- he better be a cornerstone of your offense with high impact to take that high.
  4. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I dunno, I am not sure I am that high on CGJ....I want to be sold on him as a S but I am not sure he will ever take the angles of a natural S. I just have that fear someone is going to overdraft CGJ. It depends on who the Edge or S is available that is said to be rated the same as Samuel or Campbell. I have a higher grade on them I guess then some of the Edge or S without accounting for positional value. The real point of my post is that I think the Pack has an opportunity in this draft to really make their defense special for the next 2-4 years. However, to me it really depends on how they feel about their young WR corps. There is sentiment that the Pack is very happy with their young guys coming up. I am encouraged that before the injury, I think Allison was about to break out- he was really starting to make some nice plays and showed more RAC then I originally pegged him for coming out of IL. I really think Moore is going to benefit greatly with a different scheme- I really did not think he was ready for MM's scheme at all last year and my impression always was he was going to have a hard time really reaching his potential in MMs scheme- too much read and respond for him IMO. I think a new system where he is going to be schemed open is going to do him wonders. It is just too bad last year was basically a throw away completely for him IMO. I think we all saw enough of both MVS and ESB to know that it is reasonable to expect one of those two players to develop into at least a solid #2 that will make defenses pay for focusing too much on Adams in the future. Throw in Kumerow and Lazzard from last year, I am with most on here thinking it has to be a heckuva value to take a WR. BUT, if you are able to get a Samuel who I think would be a sure thing in the slot versus "hoping" the scheme will work for Moore- I dunno. I say take a TE lol. Outside of Tonyan I really do not think you have anything beyond this year at the position and that position likely takes at least 1 year to learn well enough to function with Rodgers at the helm and the blocking ability needed. I just hope the TE is not selected at 12 unless that TE is a future HOFer.
  5. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I do not believe he is going to be a first rounder. I think he should be there and a good value right around when the Pack selects in Round 2. If not, oh well, I think there are better players available in Round 1 to choose from.
  6. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I agree there is not a huge need for WRs in this draft and where the Pack sits, but I do think Campbell and Samuel could really be special with the right team. There is a chance to really fill out this defense and make it a strength for years to come though moreso then add playmakers on offense in this draft IMO.
  7. rcon14 Mock 3.0

    I like a lot of what you did here, but I think Q Williams and Simmons are the generational talents available in this draft. I think Dillard is going to be a star as well. I personally would prefer going to get one or two of them. I am not a big MI fan, but I do like the Long and Wino picks in this draft, I think they would fill out the depth on this defense really nice. I am more an Adderly and Hooker fan than Thornhill, but I do like Thornhill's potential. I just think the better instincts, which are most crucial to S play IMO, are with Adderly and Hooker in this draft.
  8. LaFleur's Lieutenants - Coordinator/Staff Thread

    I was not sure he was going to meld well with Fangio.....was just a hunch that I had those two might not really work well together. Looks like they can look for someone else in Denver.
  9. packers selcet mAtt leFleUr as head coah

    Not breaking tackles is a valid argument against Graham, he certainly appears he is not going to break ankles out there any more either. The lack of YAC is a valid argument against Graham for next year.
  10. packers selcet mAtt leFleUr as head coah

    I am not down on Graham because I think he needs a walker, I am down on Graham in this offense because he is not going to garner respect in the run game for this offense. I think Graham certainly offers more to this team on the roster then cut based on his contract next year. There are ways we can envision where LeFleur can use Graham, it is just not as ideal given the action a lot of the more base plays come off the run threat. When you see Graham on the field, you defend pass and really do not need to respect anything he is going to attempt to do blocking for a runner other then getting in the way.
  11. packers selcet mAtt leFleUr as head coah

    I am not even trying to address whether a player wants to come here - I said that is the right fit with the right contract. In no way am I stating it has to be Coleman or speculating what kind of contract he is going to get, because really I could care not about Coleman unless he is a Packer. I am saying that mold - for the most certain eventuality of missed snaps by Jones given his history and how much of just a true plodder/grinder type Williams has shown to be- having that third horse with the Coleman traits is a good idea. Replace Coleman with Edgar Bennet if it makes you feel good- the name is rarely the point of my thread unless I specifically mention someone already blessed in Titletown colors. Sorry if that is the way you digested that point because the name was not the focus, it was the mold/fit that I am trying to steer the discussion towards.
  12. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I think the interior pressure is not so much the problem in the passing game as it is in the run game. The leaky penetration by the interior is what is making this offense very pass dependent. If you can make sure you are facing 2nd and 6 consistently the passing game options become easier and stress more levels of the opposing defense. Being able to successfully threaten third and 3 with a running game would also be a nice change instead of having a RB back there for blocking or window dressing in those circumstances.
  13. packers selcet mAtt leFleUr as head coah

    Agreed, I looked at Shanahan much more than what he had with TN because that offense is a work in progress with a limited throwing attack. I still cannot get past the glaring need for an upgrade on the oline and TE to make this a run game that is respected enough to draw defenses into a 1 high look. The improvement of the oline and TE inline will make Jones special with 15 touches and Williams a viable grinder.
  14. packers selcet mAtt leFleUr as head coah

    I mentioned this in another thread, Tonyan has the most to gain this offseason and even moreso now in this offense. Going to be interesting how he looks in the next camp on the LOS. I really do not know what they have in Baylis right now. I loved the Lewis and Kendricks fit- when they could run. I think those two are simply not worth moving forward anymore IMO. I do not think just releasing Graham is a good idea either- he has more value on this team then off it considering the contract in hand- but it sure is not in the base running plays unless you get something from him he hasn't shown his entire career. Maybe he applies himself diligently to stay relevant in the league now that he cannot run as well as he used to. I think you start with Graham and Tonyan and given the depth of this year's draft at TE, you do as Ray mentioned and seriously think about doubling up this year at this position.
  15. packers selcet mAtt leFleUr as head coah

    Based on what I have seen of the offenses that LeFleur wants to run, we really need to make investments in the oline and TE positions to make this work. Maybe even RB since we have seen that Jones does have durability issues. Even if Williams looks better behind an improved oline, I think a third horse is needed there as well. I saw one of the mocks in here with Coleman in it, that is not a bad looking fit with the right contract. At the WR positions, you just wonder if J-mon Moore is ever going to be able to digest the playbook. I think this offense may end up being easier for him to execute on the field because he is not reading as many things post snap as the previous system. If you can get that player to explode the way he did in college you have a very dangerous group of young WRs for this fit IMO.