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  1. 2020 Senior Bowl Discussion

    Waiting for the “not another small school TE” chanting to start...
  2. The 2020 Draft Thread

    Very much serious. Our QB needs to be far better but our WR2-WR6 need to be far better too. Both made each other look worse this year.
  3. The 2020 Draft Thread

    Average player performs better under primarily controlled conditions indoors while coached by the best offensive mind in football (Shanahan) with a HOF QB throwing to him during a period where he’s principally in a subpackage role with a HOF WR drawing consistent double coverage opposite him. Color me shocked. I guess we’d better put him back under ideal circumstances so he can produce... 😒
  4. The 2020 Free Agency Rumblings Thread

    That’s the Colts’ side of it. Ebron says they knew, hence the Osemele comp. Teams mislead the injury report all the time. Players lie about their injuries. The main point is that WE don’t know one way or the other, but the medical records will tell the full story to the team. Can’t fake diagnostic tests or surgery film. It’s preemptive to draw any “quitter” criticisms of him without more info (though the internet seldom cares about facts...). I agree with those who say nobody is having that surgery for no reason, but especially not heading into FA. Surgery raises more red flags for him than struggling through with an underperforming QB.
  5. The 2020 Free Agency Rumblings Thread

    I mean... the teams looking into signing him will review the med records. They’ll tell the story on whether or not the surgery was necessary. If they think he’s a quitter then he won’t be signed anyway.
  6. The 2020 Draft Thread

    Let’s not kid ourselves here - the Bears as presently constructed at WR are one Allen Robinson injury away from being arguably one of the worst WR groups in the NFL, especially when you consider the injury risk of their #2 WR. Gabriel is likely gone this offseason and the rest of the guys are just guys at least to this point. Also, the need for elite speed isn’t just about deep passes. It’s about pressuring the defense at all levels. There are no home run hitters on that offense aside from Robinson, and that includes Cohen, who IMO is far more hype than substance. How many times in 2 years has Gabriel shown top flight RAC ability? Any? I’m not saying the need for speed at WR is their biggest need - they without question need the guy on the other end of those passes to be better - but it’s certainly on the list. We need to get better at both sides of that rainbow. The WR group after AR was woefully underwhelming in 2019 outside of 2nd half Miller who’s now going to again miss the whole offseason program. We can’t just roll into 2020 with AR, Miller, Wims and Ridley and be like YEP WE GOT THIS with what we have at QB. We just did that and they led the league in drops. KC has the best QB in the league and yet they keep adding weapons. Mismatch players. We have one. They have one at every spot. The R2 talent at WR this year is R1 talent in most years from everything reported by everyone. I’m not saying don’t address the OL by any stretch. But, we aren’t in any likely scenario benching $10M+ in salary on the recently extended Leno/Massie/Whitehair or our 2018 2nd rounder, so the immediate upgrades on the OL are gonna be at RG (where I expect a vet FA and a draft pick, possibly also in round 2) and in scheme. Wanting more there and expecting more given the circumstances are two separate things. Salary wise we are almost certainly stuck with Leno and Massie for 2020 for better or worse. That an OT rookie isn’t likely to play in 2020 pushes it down the list a little bit to me.
  7. The 2020 Draft Thread

    Must be early in the offseason Windy. We’re agreeing a lot...
  8. The 2020 Draft Thread

    That’s the route I’d go. I’d move Floyd for whatever I could get, sign a vet situational rusher and a depth upgrade/upside guy over Irving, then draft what I hope is the 2021 and beyond long term replacement. Floyd is a solid player in our scheme but only solid, which makes him expendable given his role. I think he’s be an outstanding fit as a 4-3 WLB somewhere with his skill set in that Briggs role. I wouldn’t totally rule out the possibility of a player-for-player trade involving Floyd either.
  9. The 2020 Draft Thread

    I agree. We’re really presented with two conflicting Pace trends though as it pertains to edge rusher. Moving on from Floyd would be “giving up” on one of his draft picks, and he’s super loyal to those guys. But, keeping him and not being able to add a FA of substance at the position financially because of it pigeon holes him going into the draft, and he’s always shown the overriding desire to not be.
  10. The 2020 Free Agency Rumblings Thread

    Ebron is only considered a bust because he was the 10th pick in the draft so the expectations are Ertzish. He’s a good football player who’d be an upgrade for 2/3 of NFL teams if not more, and that shouldn’t get lost in the narrative that stems from where he was drafted 6 years ago. His addition would undoubtedly make the Bears offense significantly more viable. This offense features the TE more than most too and as such I would expect his production here would be at the high end of his career to this point, and again he’s only 26. I’m not sure I understand the apprehension toward Ebron. We’re talking about potentially adding a guy in his mid-20s with a 13 TD season under his belt when what we have right now is NOOOOOOOTHING beyond our guy who may not be ready for TC.
  11. The 2020 Draft Thread

    I agree with this list though if the right CB fell I think they’d look there too. OLB is really intriguing to me. They are at least postured that they’ll keep Floyd at that option number and I just think it’s such a terrible move when our biggest defensive need is at his position in the form of the one thing he hasn’t shown any real ability to provide. If Floyd is cut you can in all likelihood keep Trevathan, sign a vet situational edge rusher and a reclamation project edge rusher, and then draft a guy in the 2nd to be a longer term replacement for about the same 2020 cap hit and be far better off overall for 2020. If you are able to do that AND add mid round draft capital by trading Floyd vs. cutting him then that’s even better.
  12. The 2020 Draft Thread

    We need a guy who is a legit threat to take a 10 yard cross or slant 60 yards and who is enough of a threat deep to loosen the middle for ARob and Miller to turn 10 into 20 more frequently. Gabriel is supposed to have that speed but hasn’t shown the ability to make these plays for us, and he doesn’t have enough size to compete down the field on a 50/50 ball. His speed at even average WR size would be a game changer for us even if our QB continues to struggle down the field. Mitch overshoots everyone down the field but at least as far as Gabriel is concerned if he undershoots him downfield it’s probably a pick since he’s not winning any jump balls at 5’7”. Patterson has the size/speed but not the WR ability. It’s almost as though what we need is what Kevin White was supposed to be... 🤦‍♂️
  13. The 2020 Free Agency Rumblings Thread

    The health stuff with Ebron is way overblown IMO. It’s far less significant than that of Hunter Henry. Before last year he played 16 games each of the prior 2 seasons, and has missed just 13 total games in 6 years. To me that makes him not an iron man but also not injury prone. Looking at his statistical history he should be good for ~60/600/5 with slight fluctuation either way. So basically what we got from Burton in 2018 (54/569/6). If Burton is healthy for even part of the season then we have 2 of those guys for 2020 which is anything but a problem, and if he’s not then we have one plus another developing rookie (who I’m drafting regardless of what we do in FA). 2 deep with legitimate players plus a developmental draft pick is as deep as we could ever hope to be at the position. I’m not worried about the high spend ratio at TE because Burton can be cut after 2020 for almost no cap hit and we’re way underspending in 2020 at RB and probably QB. IMO TE is our biggest need position and after how incredibly underwhelmed we were by last year’s contingency plan guys I’m expecting a pretty big investment. Pace has been up and down on his FA hits, but for the most part he addresses the right positions.
  14. The 2020 Draft Thread

    I respectfully completely disagree. We don’t have anyone on the roster who threatens the opponent vertically. Without that defenses are going to continue to sit on the short and mid range routes and make life more difficult on our QB and play caller. The difference that the speed of guys like Hill, Hardman and Deebo make and the things that speed opens up for everyone is something we don’t have at all. As of right now going into 2020 we have: Allen Robinson - stud Anthony Miller - up and down through 2 years, and coming off another shoulder surgery that will keep him out of most if not all of the offseason program again Taylor Gabriel - averaging 10.8 ypc across 2 years in Chicago and a strong cut candidate Riley Ridley - almost no PT as a rookie Javon Wims - just a guy You’re good with that? I’m not.
  15. The 2020 Free Agency Rumblings Thread

    He and Brate don’t play the same role at all in TB. Brate averaged 8.6 ypc this past year on 55 targets. Howard averaged 13.5 ypc on 53 targets, and 15.5 ypc across 94 catches in 3 years. Without researching it I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that if that isn’t the highest ypc number in the NFL amongst TEs it’s just about the highest number. Howard is a legitimate field stretcher from the TE position. Evans and Godwin also fill that role incredibly well though, and there are only so many targets to go around. He’s also not a liability as a blocker. I’m not saying sell the farm for him, but due diligence deserves at least an inquiry. If he can be had for a 4 or 5 then IMO you’ve got a better chance to turn that into an actual immediate asset than just using the pick. Remember round 4 under Pace has yielded EJax and Cohen but also Iggy, Jeremy Langford and Deiondre’ Hall. With a trade vs. a drafted prospect we don’t have to suffer the rookie adaptation year(s) at a position where we need a real player right away. Pace doesn’t seem to have the luxury of time any more, or at least he shouldn’t.