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  1. GDT "Let's Move On" Edition: Bears & Broncos 9/15/19

    Floyd is an example of exactly why you should not give up on a player after 2-3 seasons of up and down and inconsistent play. Fuller is another guy people wrote off as a 1st round bust after a couple mediocre seasons and now he's considered one of the better corners in the league. This is why I still have hope for Mitch as our QB.
  2. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    I don't know how you can determine what his ceiling will be. It's all a guessing game right now. The guy definitely has potential he just needs everything to start clicking at some point. Whether or not that happens we will eventually find out. I just think it's still way early to write him off as just an average to below average NFL QB.
  3. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    Yes he probably is as of right now. I didn't think Leno had a bad game vs Denver but he was visibly bad in week 1 along with the rest of the o-line. Serious question for you: Which position is the hardest to play in the NFL? If you said QB you guessed right. I'm not saying that means we shouldn't demand and expect better from his play but I'm not exactly surprised that a guy with his background is still wildly inconsistent going into his 3rd season as a starting NFL QB. This guy was a long term project from day 1. While I agree with you that the signs have been discouraging at certain points I still see enough positives to have faith that he can work out given a little more time and patience.
  4. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    What evidence are you referring to exactly and what benchmark are you using (aside from personal beliefs) to compare Mitch's stats and performance to that are telling you it is likely that he will never be better than average? Is there a specific standard that guarantees QB success/failure rate at this point in his respective career? This is also considering that Mahomes is an exception to the rule and not a fair comparison.
  5. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    That's fine if you want to believe that. I'm not trying to convince you to think he will be a great QB someday. Just saying the pessimism is a little much lately after a couple bad starts at the beginning of the season. Man I really hope he proves you wrong. I am definitely pulling for the guy all the way.
  6. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    It's based on multiple accounts of coaches and QB's over the years who say that a QB should be given at least 3 full years to develop and hone their game at this level before declaring them anything. Alex Smith said it, Big Ben said it and there are multiple examples of good to great QB's who have shown over the years that their first couple of seasons have been just as mediocre or even worse than Trubisky's and then went on to have pretty good careers.
  7. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    We are 1-1 and GB only beat us by a TD in week 1 so the slow start to 2019 hasn't really cost us anything valuable yet. Going back to Cutler... he had a higher ceiling than you give him credit for. He never reached that potential mainly due to the fact of the environment he had around him whether it was the constant change in OC's or the poor personnel/weapons and coaching he had during his tenure in CHI. Imagine Cutler in the same system under Shanny for his whole career? I imagine things would have been a lot different for him, and this is coming from a guy who was never a big Cutler fan. I know nobody likes to hear this but a young QB usually needs 40-50 starts in the NFL before determining whether they can hack it as a starter at this level. We are only at 29 games with Mitch and 17 in Nagy's offense. I believe that patience is a virtue in this case. You don't want to be that guy that trashed Trubisky all this time and then he turns out to be a really solid NFL QB, do you? Don't be that pessimistic Windy.
  8. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    I could be wrong but I don't think Mitch is oblivious to the notion that he needs to play much better and I personally believe that a benching would solve nothing and only potentially make things worse. The only way he's going to get better is by continuing to play and through trial and error. He's not going to make any progress sitting on the bench doing mental reps, that's only going to be more damaging to his confidence IMO. The only way he deserves a benching is if he goes out and plays consistently bad for a stretch of games and turns the ball over multiple times and you can definitively say he is the reason the Bears lost those games. You even said it yourself that Daniel being in there may win or lose just as easily as Mitch, so again I don't see the point of throwing him in there at the expense of further development for Mitch. I have been hard on him lately just as others have been and don't really want to make any more excuses for the guy, but he is still relatively young in his pro career (29 career starts) and didn't have much starting experience in college coming into the NFL. This was always going to be a long project from the beginning. We can't all just give up so easily now.
  9. Bears Roster Moves

    Nope. Ray did have a lot of hype coming out of college though. He is a prime example of why it's so hard to be an NFL talent evaluator. I mean Ray had a lot of the tools you look for and the stats to back it up from college. I wonder what went wrong along the way with this guy's NFL journey. A lot of the times it comes down to mental ability and mindset over just pure talent.
  10. Bears Roster Moves

    Ray was released by the Ravens who don't really have any standout pass rushers. I think that is pretty telling but I mean behind Mack, Floyd and Lynch there is not too much to get excited about. Don't know why they never kept James Vaughters over Irving. He looked pretty good in preseason.
  11. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    Daniel is not good. I would rather continue to roll with Mitch and see if something sticks than to bench him for that guy. He is to be used only if Mitch goes down with an injury. The organization owes it to themselves and to Mitch to continue trying to develop him for at least this season, even if it means potentially missing the playoffs.
  12. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    Hurts is an intriguing guy but if keeps his play up this CFB season then you can take it to the bank that he will not last til the 2nd round. Some team will try to scoop him before the end of the 1st to get that valuable 5th year option.
  13. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    Ya and you don't think the same thing could happen with a guy like Alex Smith who the Redskins will probably be looking to move on from after this season? And yes I believe Keenum would be better competition for Mitch than Daniel would be. I actually think Keenum is a pretty good journeyman. He looks a lot better than Mitch does right now with less in Washington.
  14. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    I'm talking about what he's getting paid this season...not what he got 2 years ago. There will always be a veteran guy or two available that won't come at a high cost.
  15. What we should do if Mitch is not the guy

    Case Keenum is getting paid $3.5M. I would take him over Chase Daniel any day of the week. He will also be a FA next offseason.
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