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  1. 2019 Offseason Trade Rumors & Free Agency Thread

    Bro, it aint that confusing. I never said Ball cant create pace, just that DSJ can create in in an elite way. Are you arguing that Ball is faster than SMoth with the ball in his hand. Please argue that so we can see how biased your view point is. and its not disengenous that i didnt point out smith has a suspect shot. He has another way to stand out on offense and ive never once called him a good player, i said he has upside though. And i asked you about as direct and simple question as i can, care to answer if you think Ball is a good player? I wonder if Derozan has had to sacrifice some efficiency for for volume and having to carry the scoring load. which also means teams focus on him. And are you arguing that Ingram can be successful without a shot? Sure, I agree. He'll never be a start but he can be a starting player. I see a lot of yur opinion and little actual fact and thats strange considering you were complaining people change their opinion when and only when the lakers got the #4 pick, Ill ask for the 3rd time why they would do that.
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    Yes, not having a 3 is an issue. Giannis can overcome it because he does everything else so damn well, but we even starting to see against the very top level of competition that its a hindrance. youre right, outside of playing defense, shooting and rebounding tatum did nothing better than ingram. not sure what else youd be lookig for him to do better though outside of those things. Its not really subjective how prevalent and important the 3 pt shot has becom, its essentially fact. So its not really my opinion that the 3 is important... however youre saying its not that important because you think its not that important. You can prefer the player with the better fg% who cant shoot threes but thats not what nba teams prefer and the way the game is played today. Hence why Tatum is clearly better.
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    What excuses explain away ingrams lack of shot? Tatum in a down year was arguably better than Ingram. in a down year. Tatums got more upside, and has already done more... i dont know what the argument for ingram would be. I dont care about the lakers or celtics, not a fan of either. But right is right.
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    no, i dont need to add that dsj is a bad shooter when all i say about him is id want him cause he can push the pace like maybe 1 or two other guys can, maybe and hes an athletic freak that heightens his upside. I dont want him for his shooting. I want him for those other reasons. Heres a direct question for you... Do you think Ball is a good player? You mean all 8 games in december? even if he can continue that silly small sample, his upside is a guy thats not great anywhere, doesnt have 3 pt range but scores very efficiently when close to the basket. Thats not really a #2. His upside is demar derozan... a good player but one that isnt optimal for todays nba. And tbh hes got a ways to go to get there. You can repeat the same thing over and over but it eont make it true. Im a hawks fan and was watching closely, everywhere it was said theyre going to wind up on the short end because theyre projected to fall just outside the top 3. Why would people change reality for the lakers? They havent been relevant for close to a decade, its similar to knick fans telling people theyre jealous of them.
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    im not even sure usg rate shows that, i guess it shows the # of plays he was involved in ish. But its moot. As i said in the beginning your not going to rack up big assist #s if youre not ball dominant, Tatum is a wing not a point. It was a stupid comparison.
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    did it? he tried to say that usage rate shows they had the ball the same. it doesnt though... so im confused. does he still incorrectly think it does or is he just trying to say fox is a better facilitator. whoch is kinda one of the no bleeps moments, i mean where did anyone say that wasnt the case?
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    oh wow... just quit while your behind. the stat doesnt say what you thought it did, it was a poor comparison. lets all just move on.
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    again, no where did i say dsj was a good shooter or even good player. i thinks hes a decent enough startwe with upside. maonky due to his athletic gifts. thats fine we have different opinion of what role players are, its why i clarified. and its a problem he doesnt havent range, thats undeniable. if youre upside is a good #3 then the value isnt really as a headliner. again you seem to have misread or simply trying to change what i said. ball cant push the pace like dsj. period. your arguing like ball is a good player. hes not, neither guy is. youre being way too presumptious to assume a gm wouldnt bet on a different type of upside. ill pause for when you argue ball is a good player.... this is getting silly. barrett was seen as the likely #1 pick pre season. hes been viewee as a star almost throughtout, althiught a little chuck happy. from what we know hes the consensus #3 and thats after him dropping. sorry that the lakers pick came up 1 short but thems the breaks.
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    Bro, that usage rate doesn’t depict how much you have the ball in your hand. Did you miss like the last 3 pages?
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    I hope we can all agree that the comparison of fox (a pg) and Tatum was foolish. That’s the main thing I was getting at.
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    And while lonzo May contribute elsewhere, if he doesn’t develop a shot it’s going to be hard for him to be a meaningful player. How many guys develop a shot after being as poor a shooter as ball. And yes, Ingram seems like a role player. He has an inconsistent shot, if I sound like I’m repeating myself it’s because it’s become that important to the game. He’s a #3 scorer who does nothing great, I call that a role player and I don’t say it as insulting or that he’s not good. He just is unlikely to be a top 30-35 guy. I never said Dsj was a great player but he’s certainly different than lonzo. He’s an athletic freak that can push the pace in a way only literally a couple other guys can. I’d rather have a guy with DSW’s profile then lonzo if I had to pick between guys with no shot playing with young athletic bigs. And don’t be dramatic, this was always a 3 player draft. The lakers arent relevant enough for people to change their viewpoints about it. Originally it as a drop off after the three duke guys but cam dropped significantly and Morant slid in. It was always Zion, Barrett and whoever else.
  12. 2019 Offseason Trade Rumors & Free Agency Thread

    answers everything i need to know, preciate that.
  13. 2019 Offseason Trade Rumors & Free Agency Thread

    COrrect me if im wrong, but usg% isnt simply telling how many times a player touches the ball. SO if for example fox (a point guard) brings up the ball, and dumps it into the post he would get an assist (assuming the score) while not accounting for usg %, correct? Could be wrong there.
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    Disingenuous argument. Jayson Tatum has been in the league two years, why are you only using this past years which i repeatedly% said was down? In fact, you quoted a post in where I said if he was the player he was last year hes simply a good role player and if hes the guy he was his rookie year then hes a star. even in your poor attempt to only use last years stats your comparing him to peers in some areas but not thers, whys that? Its not fair to compare a post players ts% to tatum or any other wing/perimeter guy. When looking at the guys you would hope Tatum can become in their first two years (george and kawhi) TS% Tatum - .586 (yr 1), .547 (yr 2) George - .542, .555 Kawhi - .573, .592 PER Tatum - 15.3, 15.1 George - 13.0, 16.5 Kawhi - 16.6, 16.4 DWS Tatum - 4.0, 3.4 Kawhi - 2.4, 3.3 George - 1.9, 3.2 DPBM Tatum - 1.5, .06 Kawhi - 2.3, 2.5 George - 1.2, 1.9 ASST% Tatum - 8.3, 10.0 Kawhi - 6.6, 7.7 George - 8.3, 13.6 SO when looking at the guys you say he cant become, he actually has a fairly similar start to their careers. Kahwis a notch better in most categories but nothing jaw dropping. As I already said, if hes this past years Tatum then its not special, if he can show its just a slump then the celtics are looking pretty. But please, continue on telling half truths to make a point that apparently you dont even fully believe in.
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    Youre aware of advance metrics right? Tatum being a very goo defensive player isnt controversial in the least. Hes in the top 10 over the last two years for non bigs in defensive win shares. Le me guess, you dont put any stock into these metrics? Or only when it fots your argument? And his offense is self evident, hes a very good and efficient scorer. If hes more like the guy his rookie year then you have a star (possibly superstar), if hes more like the guy his sophomore year then you simply have a good role player. Theres really not a way to tell though and youve made fairly definitive statements with absolute crap arguments to back them up.