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by what measure were we bottom 5 last year? we were 18th in yards and 22nd in scoring. Are you looking at DVOA? Looking at DVOA, Dallas and Indy respectively went from 25th and 27th (2017) to 9th and 10th (2018). New Orleans and Washington went from 31st and 25th (2016) to 8th and 11th (2017). New York Giants and San Diego went from 30th and 28th (2015) to 2nd and 7th (2016).

Just looking at the box score... lots of things to like outside of our rush offense??

stop selling yourself so short. we need you to be the best you

no apologies needed. i was half expecting that i missed something and the joke was on me.

did you just dig up a 2 year old quote about defensive players, and post it in the rodgers thread?

That's exactly how i feel about you on this forum. Irony abounds...

Pop quiz. Name this QB: 14/31, 137 yards, 0 TD, 2 int 23/47, 237 yards, 1 TD, 4 int 27/42, 238 yards, 0 TD, 1 int Spoiler. Those are Peyton Manning’s playoff game losses in 2002-2004, his prime years. Most playoff losses come with a subpar QB performance. Doesnt mean they arent great

And a few MVP seasons

Furthering the point that randall would be gone after another season, kizer could be kept for three more seasons. If the staff thought they could develop kizer into something worthwhile, this was a big factor in the trade imo. Pretty sure we werent looking to pay a ton of money for a backup qb, so we needed to find a team interested in trading a rookie qb. The trade made sense for both teams at the time. Cleveland is getting the better value out of it based on how the players have performed. Doesnt mean it was a stupid trade

Yeah but someone traded that second round pick for rosen, meaning he had that value. If we gave up a second, third, or even fourth round pick for kizer we would be idiots. But we didnt. We traded away a guy who we werent keeping beyond the upcoming season and we improved our fourth round position. It was absolutely a sound trade in principal.

The fact that we were never going to resign randall is the most under-appreciated part of this trade. We were never going to re-sign him. The fact that we got someone that had potential at the most important position in professional sports (even if that potential didnt pan out) for a guy that wasnt gonna be around much longer is why this wasnt a stupid trade. Moving up in the 4th round was just icing on the cake

4-1 is impressive, but i gotta see it on the field and not just in 1v1s. it is definitely a reason to be excited though

I think this is kinda where im coming down on this. It seems odd that a player couldnt be traded but ended up making more money, but then again its the lions that paid him and maybe they never wanted to trade us anything regardless of whether they were ok with a 8 or 9 million cap hit for him. Other teams interested in him but not biting on any trades means they thought they could have paid him less and signed him off the street. im sad to see him go and dont really like the timing for a few reasons, but hope this means blake and/or kenny are getting locked up soon

Is this the case? I thought he had a $10M salary with about $2M guaranteed from us. If we traded him wouldnt the receiving team owe the full $10M, or would we have to pay the guaranteed amount?

I hear ya. I too would like an elite player of course, but i'm trying to think objectively about what would make me look back and not say ewwwww. lots of top 12 picks flat out bust, so i would be "ok" with solid production. i would be "happy" with twice the numbers i posted earlier.