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Everything posted by CWood21

  1. Kawhi Leonard Traded to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan

    Because everything we've heard up through this point was that the Spurs were asking for Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, two FRPs and the option to swap two more FRPs. That's a FAR cry from what the Spurs actually asked for. There were mixed reports about whether or not they wanted Josh Hart included, but for the sake of simplicity we will ignore him for the time being. That's not a realistic trade package for a guy who hasn't really played in a year, and has already expressed his desire to leave San Antonio. And yes, I'm convinced the Spurs needed the entire house if they were dealing Kawhi to the Lakers. Pop isn't losing face by caving into his superstar's demands, and dealing him where he wanted to go unless he could come away with a haul that made it look like he won. And based on the rumors we've heard, it didn't progress very far because the Spurs held up their high demands. We heard multiple reports that was the case. You choose to pick and choose the narrative, but the reality is we had multiple reporters say that the Spurs wanted a haul for Kawhi. I don't think there's any way that the Spurs would consider a Kuzma-based package a haul, and it was a non-starter for the Lakers to include Luol Deng for the Spurs.
  2. Kawhi Leonard Traded to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan

    Might as well have thrown in LeBron James and Lonzo Ball while we're at it to? Amirite?
  3. Kawhi Leonard Traded to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan

    First off, Brandon Ingram is exponentially more valuable than DeMar DeRozan. He's making literally peanuts compared to DD. And I'd think most Lakers fan felt that this was another situation in which a team had little to no interest to dealing their star player to the Lakers. I guess we will wait and see then.
  4. Kawhi Leonard Traded to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan

    Don't worry, he'll take the money next year from the Lakers.
  5. Kawhi Leonard Traded to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan

    Pretty much. There's probably like a 5% chance of the Raptors actually retaining him. I mean, whose going to appeal to Kawhi like Russell Westbrook could for Paul George? He's not going to win anything, and his brand isn't going to get much bigger.
  6. Kawhi Leonard Traded to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan

    I don't think San Antonio really ever had any true intentions of negotiating with the Lakers. If there was any truth to the rumors that they asked for Ingram, Kuzma, and multiple picks, this is a HUGE difference in trades.
  7. Kawhi Leonard Traded to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan

    @J-ALL-DAY, still convinced the Spurs were really willing to deal Kawhi to the Lakers?
  8. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    Since JALLDAY seem to be misquoting me, let me clear this one up for the air. The Toronto Raptors AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED are the 3rd bes team in the Eastern Conference IMO. Both Philadelphia and Toronto are better teams IMO. As for Toronto's assets, they don't have any blue chip prospects and their draft picks project to be late. They're not needle movers by any means.
  9. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    I'm not sure what to tell you if you think that being traded to Toronto is somehow going to prevent Kawhi from leaving there. He's expressed his interest in not being rented out, which is part of the reason why teams have been reluctant to trade for him. At this point, Kawhi would prefer to choose his destination and not have to play out the season with a team he doesn't really want to play. But given that he's currently under contract, he doesn't have that flexibility. But Kawhi will have that opportunity a year from now when his contract expires. And for the upteenth time, I've said AS CURRENTLY constructed, they're at best the third best team in the East. Stop twisting my words. Which is why the Lakers haven't really had any meaningful dialogue with the Spurs. Right now, there isn't a team whose offering anything remotely close to the value of Brandon Ingram. Sixers aren't dealing Fultz, and Celtics aren't dealing Tatum/Brown. So whose pushing the Lakers to up the ante with Ingram? I mean, the hypothetical trade with the Raptors is DeRozan, a combination of their young players (OG/Skiacam), and pick(s). That's not a better package than an Ingram-based package, and a FAR cry from the demand that the Spurs made from the Lakers. I mean, that package pales in comparison to the Ingram, Kuzma, and picks package that the Spurs reportedly demanded from the Lakers. The Spurs have no intention of trading Kawhi to the Lakers. None. Which is why the Lakers have moved on. No. I don't think giving Ingram+ makes the Lakers anymore of a contender. And I don't think switching Ingram with Kawhi makes them a title contender. It improves their chances quite a bit, but it's not enough to be Golden State. I'm not even sure it's enough to beat Houston if we're being honest. We all know what Kawhi Leonard is. He's a top 5 player WHEN healthy, and he's already demanded to be traded. That sinks his trade value. You're not getting anywhere near fair value for him, and you're certainly not picking and choosing the assets you want for him. Patience is key for the Lakers.
  10. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    So...the Lakers should pay more than anyone else by a country mile? Brandon Ingram is exponentially more valuable than anyone else being proposed at this point.
  11. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    Because the Spurs are still adamant about their Ingram, Kuzma, and multiple FRPs. They're wasting the Lakers time if they're going to keep up that demand.
  12. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    We were talking about the Raptors as is. They're the 3rd best team in the East behind a healthy Boston and Philadelphia team. Even if LeBron James is out of the East, there's still the huge obstacle to overcome. Add on the fact that the Raptors are financially restricted, no notable young assets, or significant draft picks to maneuver with. That's a deal that the Raptors should jump at. So...you can guarantee that he'll re-sign with the Lakers, but you can't guarantee that he'll sign if he's dealt to Toronto? That makes absolutely no sense. Either it's Los Angeles or bust OR it's not. There's no, well he's guaranteed to re-sign if he comes to the Lakers and no guarantee if he's dealt elsewhere. But the Lakers feel pretty confident they're landing Kawhi. And if for some weird reason that Kawhi opts to remain in Toronto, there is plenty of other notable FAs available. It's not Kawhi or bust. There's going to be a learning process regardless of whether or not they add in Kawhi. Aside from KCP and their young core (Ingram/Hart/Kuzma/Ball), they're pretty much a different team. Rajon Rondo, LeBron James, Lance Stephenson, and their options at C are all new. And Julius Randle is gone now too. If you don't think there's a growing curve with a Kawhi addition, you're mistaken. And adding Kawhi next offseason only creates how to assimilate Kawhi into their roster, which probably takes a couple of months at most. Either way, if a deal is done closer to the deadline you can pretty much guarantee that Brandon Ingram won't be dealt. Probably won't get Kyle Kuzma either.
  13. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    I think they were willing to deal Kyle Kuzma, at least earlier in the offseason. But at this point, the Lakers have clearly moved on.
  14. Propose a Trade/Trade Rumors Thread

    Maybe I'm lower on those guys than you, but I'd like a better combination of floor/upside when we're dealing Carlos Martinez. Luiz Gohara seems destined for the bullpen, I believe the last time he averaged over 5 IP per game it was back in 2016. Don't mind Kyle Wright, but not huge on him. High floor, I just question how much legitimate upside he has. As for Pache, I don't think he differs a whole lot from Magneuris Sierra whom they dealt last offseason. I'd just prefer someone with a bit more legitimate upside.
  15. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    You're right, there's no guarantee. But if you're going to operate under that assumption, there's no guaranteed that he'll re-sign with the Lakers if they trade for him. So if you're the Lakers, are you going to risk mortgaging your future and present on that? No. Especially when teams aren't even coming anywhere near a package based around Brandon Ingram. You say that the Lakers don't need Brandon Ingram, but you need as many players to throw at the Warriors. A LeBron/Kawhi/Ingram trio is exponentially more valuable than a LeBron/Kawhi duo. Kawhi doesn't make them a significantly bigger title contender, so giving up your future and future leverage doesn't help the Lakers, it actually hurts the Lakers. And I'd agree that the Raptors probably are the best offer on the table. And it's an offer that I think only the Raptors would make given their situation. Best case scenario, they're probably the 3rd best team at best in the East besides Boston and Philadelphia. That's a gamble worth making.
  16. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    I think he has to play enough to accrue another season. Don't recall exactly what that would take.
  17. 2018 Free Agency - Prospects for GB

    First off, I'm assuming you're aware of the planet theory. That's a LARGE reason why Worthy ended up going as high as he did. Big guys get drafted early and often, that's just the way the NFL works. As for Fackrell, you don't get quality pass rushers late in the draft. The success rate goes down ridiculously after the first round. If you want a pass rusher whose going to make an impact, you better be willing to invest in them earlier. Because they're not available later in the draft.
  18. 2018 Free Agency - Prospects for GB

    Because he was a snap jumper in college, and that doesn't translate to the NFL. Add on the fact that he was limited physically, and that was a guy that was overrated, myself included. I'd rather gamble on someone who has the physical skillset, but was a bit rough around the edges.
  19. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    Pretty much. Luol Deng has to go out in any deal for Kawhi right now.
  20. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    At this point, not without Luol Deng being included. The Lakers have pretty much used up all their cap space at this point. If you stretch Deng and trade Brandon Ingram, the Lakers can take up to $13.1M in salary. Unfortunately, Kawhi makes $20.1M, which is $7M short of what they need. So unless the Spurs suddenly show a willingness to take on Deng and his deal, Kawhi to the Lakers is dead for the time being.
  21. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    But why would the Lakers give up Ingram+ if they believe they're going to sign him a year from now? The Lakers clearly have a reason to believe that he's coming to the Lakers next offseason, so why they'd like to acquire Kawhi Leonard they're not pressured to make a deal. If this moves to the deadline, I don't see them getting more than Hart and picks to be honest.
  22. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    If both sides were amicable to a Kawhi/Ingram swap, don't you think it would have been done already? Except that isn't the case. Supposedly the Lakers haven't included Brandon Ingram in any of their trade offers, Spurs refuse to take on Luol Deng, and they continue to have an outrageous demand. Why would the Lakers give up by far the most? I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that DeMar DeRozan at 3 years, $83M is more valuable than Brandon Ingram at 2 years, $13M. Sixers aren't willing to deal Markelle Fultz, and it's unknown if they're willing to dangle their '21 Heat FRP. Celtics aren't willing to Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum, so they really aren't a possibility since it's nearly impossible to match salaries. And you're right, I can't guarantee it. But I feel incredibly confident that if it comes down to playing in Toronto with Kyle Lowry or in Los Angeles with LeBron, he's choosing the Lakers. And I think there's maybe a 1% chance. This isn't Paul George all over again. Kyle Lowry doesn't have that same pull as Russell Westbrook. That's a gamble that Toronto should make though.
  23. LeBron James to the Lakers 4 Years/$154M

    Why would the Lakers cave to the Spurs' demand? The latest report has the Spurs wanting Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart, 2 FRP and the option to swap two more picks. That in itself is a HUGE overpay, especially given the fact that the Spurs don't have that kind of leverage. But let's say the Spurs are willing to do a Ingram/picks for Kawhi package, what then? They're pretty much tapped. Lonzo Ball at this point has more value to the Lakers than other teams. The Lakers can wait until next offseason, stretch Luol Deng if they can't trade him, and then sign Kawhi. But the Lakers also have the flexibility to move Brandon Ingram in another deal for a potential 3rd star. Kawhi isn't staying with Toronto, I can pretty much guarantee that.
  24. Share Your 53 Man Roster Predictions

    Legit question, is there enough video of Donnerson to make any kind of concrete opinion of him?
  25. Not sure there's going to be a huge market for Matt Carpenter, unless teams want to play him at 1B. Arizona seems like an obvious fit, but aside from them I'm not sure there's a real strong fit. The Yankees could improve their position, but I don't think they're moving on from Miguel Andujar. Rafael Devers has been pretty bad for the Red Sox, but unless they plan on putting him back in the minors not sure they're looking at Carpenter. Braves seem like a potential fit. I'd probably hold onto Pham until the offseason, and hope he recover his value. We'd be selling low on him. Miles Mikolas seems flippable though. Not sure any of those relievers bring back much of anything.