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  1. 2019 Free Agent Discussion

    I don’t think it’s that. It’s about value. Take Lang when he left... at that price GB didn’t want what he was offering, the value wasn’t there. Now... the market maybe is only willing to give him what GB values him at as well. Now GB is willing to bring him back. Its not being wrong or right. It’s value... that’s why Ted didn’t do FA a lot. Because you have bad teams with tons of money willing to pay the Kirk Cousins of the world more then Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, etc of the world. Throws off everything.
  2. 2019 Free Agent Discussion

    You are going to judge the talent after the QB had chased away the HC, the season was lost, and with guys clearly playing not to get hurt? The team quit... the offense was broken because of the fractured relationship between QB and HC. Hard to judge WR talent or any of the talent with that going on, more so with a system/plan that has lost the belief of the trigger man. If Rodgers needs proven playmakers then GB made the wrong investment. You make the investment in Rodgers because he elevates his weapons. When you have a shot at getting him real talent, do it, more so in the draft so it’s cheap. But we did that, we spent on offense and ignored defense. How many playoffs did he and the offense not show up in or started too slow leading to an exit? Tom is on a different level as Rodgers because he uses the guys around him. And he works the system. I’ll give you New England is far and away better with coaches... but on the field they aren’t. The issue is they have coaches that get the most out of guys and Brady has bought in. Its why every year they keep asking is this the worse pats team to make the Super Bowl. We will have to agree to disagree. And that’s fine... but Rodgers has had amazing talent most of his career. He hasn’t done much with it championship wise though. And objectively I get why... the defense has been bad, like laughably so. But the model was always to out score teams and do enough on the defense. To get better on defense Rodgers will have to do more with less now. Because we tried it the one way... so did Colts, Chiefs, etc. it doesn’t work, at least not consistently.
  3. 2019 Free Agent Discussion

    But they aren’t bottom roster players. They are talented young guys that need seasoning. Plus he also has Graham and 2 good/great running backs that are never used in this offense. Green Bay today, right now has better talent pieces on offense than New England. Rodgers wanted to complain about the coach and the plan... hey that’s now fixed. Moving forward he has to do more with less. He signed a contract that limits the amount allowed on the offense side of the ball... so he needs to do more with less, that’s what HE signed up for. That’s why GB paid him. Plus the less money in the offense means money in the defense... which hopefully means Rodgers only has to score 20-24 points a game... instead of his customary 30-40.
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  6. 2019 Free Agent Discussion

    Of course... just like I stated: Cobb in New England or New Orleans. That might be a different beast. Other difference... Beasley got to pick his team. Cobb was drafted to a talented roster. Each guy had different struggles. At the end of the day look at production. Cobb is better. Sure Beasley in New England he could also be Wes Welker 2.0. But he wasn’t in New England... and he isn’t. Plus Dak isn’t Rodgers but it’s not like he had Bortles as his QB. Dak has had a fair amount of success in the league at the hardest position.
  7. 2019 Free Agent Discussion

    Again that’s if you believe Beasley. Counter point... if Beasley was anything worth more he would show it down in down out and they wouldn’t be able to ignore him. Dallas loved Witten... and seem to have major issues with Dez for the majority of the time Beasley was there. So he only had 2 guys he really need to beat out or one to get No. 2 targets. Issue? Everything Beasley does...Witten did, and historically better. He is a nice luxury... a consistent 3 or 4 and it’s sad but he is what he is. And at this stage he isn’t going to be anything more. Cobb was more... in a more talented offense, were we know Rodgers played favorites. Cobb had to fight Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Finely and now Adams for touches. And 3 of those guys were Rodgers go to. System or the setup doesn’t need to be apples to apples. Cobb simple has done more. Granted he has better talent then Beasley. But that’s not the discussion, given talent and cost who was a better value in their career... now that becomes a good discussion. But regardless situation Cobb is simply the better WR in this league. And my point is... if you want that guy for this team, just resign Cobb. I don’t think we do... I’m with AlexGreen20. Roll with the young guys. We are paying Rodgers a ton of money... make all-stars out of nothing. You got your LT and one nice target . The rest is going to defense.
  8. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I know it’s unrealistic but what if I told you they are: Bobby Wagner 2.0 and Jimmy Graham 2.0 Is that unsexy? Difference makers at any position are difference makers. I’m going off current projections and I agree let’s get a premium position like edge... but if the board isn’t there you either move to force it to fit your “need” or you get the best talent. If we go White and he is Bobby Wagner for us... I don’t know if people would be mad and say that isn’t needed.
  9. 2019 Free Agent Discussion

    Yes Cobb is and has been the better player the difference is Cobb gets banged up more often and is out with injury. I also expect the offensive system truly never helped Cobb here, put him in New England and he would be Wes welker 2.0... if not better. Put him in New Orleans he is better, etc. Career stats... Cobb destroys Beasley. Cobb won targets in a talent rich offense, with a qb that plays favorites (Nelson)... Beasley was literally the 2/3 option every year on a team with limited talent on offense. Too his credit he was consistent and his stats show that. So if you want someone you can set your watch toand get 3-6 TDs a year and 400-600 yards sure. Route running is debatable because again we have a qb that’s about second and third reactions. In a more structured offense that schemes to players strengths... Cobb is just as good as a route runner. Beasley isn’t a significant upgrade... we thought this with Graham last year. Heck I bought into the fouls gold too. Randall in a new system with Rodgers and hopefully healthy has bigger upside and potential then Beasley. If they are thinking Beasley I’d rather them throw that money to defense and roll with Kumerow or a late round Wr. Or that kid from Clemson. And if they want the veteran... then just pay Cobb.
  10. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I go: • Defensive playemaker (I don’t care the position really, feel like we just need to get a difference maker at 12 on defense. That can be edge, lb, dt, s, cb. If the go Devon White... fine, if he is Patrick Willis/Bobby Wagner. I’m good. I just want a playmaker that teams game plan.) More formal breakdown: Edge, OT, S, TE, LB, DT, G,WR, CB, RB
  11. 2019 Draft Discussion

    There is also Irv Smith Jr. as a TE at the end of the first/ beginning of the second... at least currently projected. And Green Bay has an extra first... like it’s the perfect storm, if they want to. Also with a new offense it will increase the value of other positions outside of WR.
  12. 2019 Free Agent Discussion

    If we are letting Cobb walk why would we sign Beasley? Cobb is younger, has a trust with Rodgers and is/has always been a better player than Beasley. If you are looking to get cheaper because Cobb isn’t going to take a sweetheart deal... you draft and develop. The FA WR class is brutal this year. Like last year the only guy I see value in is Moncrief. He only signed 1 year in JAX and now has a connection in GB... via Hackett. He isn’t in that Beasley mold but he seems , to me, like the only value.
  13. 2019 Draft Discussion

    Yeah I think most in Green Bay would too. Plus I’m assuming LaFleur’s offense is better with a TE that can block too. But if you want a Jimmy Graham type... Fant isn’t a bad get. You just know he likely isn’t a blocker ever in his career. But he might be more of a game breaker in the middle of the field. I just think strongly, more than any other year, that GB has a shot at draft one early. And it’s because of those 2 guys and the school history with this team.
  14. 2019 Draft Discussion

    I’d be surprise if we don’t take one of the 2 Iowa TEs this year... they just love that school. They have 2 great prospects and it just depends on your style of what you want out of that position. Im thinking more and more that’s what pick30 will go to.
  15. 2019 Draft Discussion

    No... you wait 3 years or 2 and you sell the farm for Trevor Lawrence ...JT Daniels of USC might be interesting around the same time line too. I’m more impressed by the young QB talent then the QB talent this year. I’d wait.