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  1. Team Building the FUTURE is now!

    I rely pretty heavily on input from this forum. Early reports last year on Lock from this forum were abysmal. His performances were awful and he didn’t look like he belonged in the NFL. Terrible footwork, lousy pocket presence……………… There were lots more comments here but I can’t remember one positive. That’s why I was all for letting him sit until the last game or two. No sense putting him in if he can’t play the game. Boy was I wrong! If after his 5 game performance you would have told me we drafted him at 10 I’d tell you we got a steal. Everything else aside, systems, play calling, whatever really take a back seat to QB development in this case. Whatever it was McCarthy and Scangarello were doing with Lock they should have just kept doing it. His improvement was astounding. Quite a high bar for our replacement coaches. Denver fans have never been the most forgiving and if Lock stumbles out of the gate next season there will be hell to pay and rightfully so.
  2. Random Thoughts

    Do we have a QB coach yet? The Bronco's website is listing Shurmer as our new OC but no one as a QB coach.
  3. Random Thoughts

    Yup, when he's on the field you can pretty much scrap conventional wisdom. Never seen anyone like him.
  4. Random Thoughts

    Well, SF covers the cliches pretty well. "Defense wins championships", "run the ball, stop the run". Postseason, top ranked D, best rushing attack, best rushing D. Have to wait a bit to find out if the cliches win.
  5. Broncos fire OC Rich Scangarello

    Not asking much are you. Thats top 5 offense. KC averaged 28.2 this season.
  6. Broncos fire OC Rich Scangarello

    I didn't say that, not even close. I said few teams really run the WCO. It has nothing to do with how many times you run the ball, it has to do with the X's and O's of Walsh's WCO. You're talking about teams and stats and I'm talking about an offensive system, the WCO. We're not communicating well at all.
  7. Broncos fire OC Rich Scangarello

    Yup, you're wrong. I love the WCO and have since the early 80's. Only a few teams really run it. The 49ers are one. I'm upset that when we canned Scangarello we also pitched IMO the best offensive system in the NFL. Walsh wouldn't recognize what Shurmer runs as a WCO and neither do I.
  8. Broncos fire OC Rich Scangarello

    We disagree. The difference is the system. Keep in mind, the foundation of the WCO is a passing attack out of running formations. Pre snap sets and lots of motion, timing patterns based on footwork, 3, 5, 7 step drops. Lots of play action. Secondary was developing running plays for the shotgun. Much of that was Shanahan. Anyway, when your base offense features 70+% shotgun like Shurmers you've just tossed out the core of Walshes WCO and what makes it unique and so tough to stop. I don't see how an offense can be consider WC if less than half the snaps are under center.
  9. Broncos fire OC Rich Scangarello

    All I'm pointing out is the difference between the two offenses while both are called West Coast. Little if any similarity. Don't think this is an easy transition from one to the other.
  10. Broncos fire OC Rich Scangarello

    Perfect example of WCO variations today. Titans basically run the Bill Walsh offense, the original WCO. Lots of I formation, pro sets, little shotgun and run heavy. Thats what Scangarello favors and uses. Same as both Shanahans and Kubiak. KC also uses whats called a WCO but a far cry from the original. Shotgun being the basic formation. Big difference! We just gave up the Walsh WCO for a pass heavy, shotgun version. I pretty much hate it.
  11. Random Thoughts

    I don't disagree with either bolded statement, well, maybe the 2nd. You make it sound like a mobile QB is new and thats not even close to true. It was a great asset 50 years ago and remains one. Fran Tarkenton comes to mind. I disagree that Lamar has proven he can win from the pocket. I've seen him twice now and if he can do it I haven't seen it. Seriously, I hope he does well, but keep in mind a great part of the Ravens offense depends on Lamar running the ball. 323 carries in his first two years as opposed to 571 passe thrown. Thats a pretty absurd number for an NFL QB and no, the league won't change and that will never be the norm.
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    Hasn't changed in my lifetime either and thats starting to be a long time.
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    Bud, he's really fun to watch and I'm a fan. Problem is he runs a college offense. Those don't work for long in the pros. His style of play makes him incredibly vulnerable. I don't think one poster here is demeaning him. Just pointing out that, A. He's not the first of that type of QB and B. So far in the NFL that style is unsustainable.
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    None, but I'm not sure how relevant that is. He was a pro bowler three consecutive years, the first real successful running QB, about 100 carries per season. Got hurt on a running play in 91, missed a year and was never the same again.
  15. Random Thoughts

    I pretty much agree. Jacksons just the latest version of Randall Cunningham. Mahomes is another matter all together. There was speculation for years in the 80's about what you'd have at QB if you could put Marinos head on Elways shoulders. I think we have the answer.