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Very good points. I"m not terribly worried either, just pointing out that the roster this year isn't as good as it has been in past years. I can take that a step farther, too. You state it is impossible to be set at every position..I agree. You also need to be set a QB, clearly GB is...and they will win games because of it. But, if they want to be great, well, they need some young kids to seriously step it up, because the 2015 draft class isn't going to cut it. Puts more pressure on guys like King/Jones/Williams/Jones and to some extent Alexander and Jackson. I very much liked the move of getting quality vets at corner in case the young kids aren't up to the challenge. Seeing as how GB didn't really address the o-line, they must have confidence in McCray (whom I like), Spriggs, Murphy, Patrick (whom I like) and they must feel pretty good about Bulaga's health. Still, I wouldn't hate a veteran tackle brought in for insurance purposes.

61 yards a game with a rookie QB leaning heavily on a great running game. He would be the #2 or #3 option here. I'm confident in Adams as our #1. Totally agree that Dez isn't coming here for all the reasons posted. I just wanted to point out that Dez did produce with Dak and Zeke, and his average yards per catch were the best of his entire career. So as Rodgers said, if it were to happen, they'd embrace him with open arms. Pretty big "if".

Not bent out of shape, but I hope that two of our rookies progress rapidly so they can be meaningful guys next year. We have a void at WR right now in that developmental phase. We usually have a guy or two that is ascending. Maybe that is Davis, I think Allison is what he is, Clark is a project. We just haven't hit on a WR for a while, Adams. Which is too bad, I had high hopes for Abby and Janis from that class as well. Was thinking two of them would stick. Now, I'm hoping that two of those rookies can stick and progress through the system. Hard not to be excited about the size/speed combos that they all have.

Okay, so I've stated all of that. DL is significantly better. I believe I phrased it as "up the middle is much better". Professed my love of Martinez. Even stated that I thought the past rosters were Super Bowl quality. It just isn't that way this year. Never said the roster wouldn't be competitive. Not at all. Simply saying that at this point and time, I'm not as optimistic about this team as I"ve been about our past teams. But..I am cautiously optimistic about that young secondary. That's going to be fun to watch.

And yah, GB's back, on paper, to the untrained eye, are bottom of the barrel. We know better because we've seen more of them. And they were rookies last year that could grow by leaps and bounds in year two. Point being, I think our running game could sneak up on teams this year and be a strength of the team in the long run. Can't believe I typed that with #12 under center....

Serious question related to this post.. That Carolina game...did Mac abandon the run, or was it Rodgers who checked out of runs? I felt like Mac installed a nice offense with different running sets and play action passes. Without Rodgers. I find it difficult to believe he'd revert back to the offense that injured the QB in the first place. I feel like it was Rodgers who made the decision to throw, throw, throw. Obviously that has worked for him in the past, but I hope that Mac gets through to him (as he did Favre) and that they can both get the running game going this year.

Made Richard Rodgers look fast, didn't he?

Can we get pads on that guy and have him work the EDGE?

In the old "For what it is worth" category... Here are links to the NFL.com site concerning the combine reports for the 3 rookie WR's... https://www.nfl.com/prospects/equanimeous-st. brown?id=32462018-0002-5602-03f6-dbdbfff5cbea https://www.nfl.com/prospects/equanimeous-st. brown?id=32462018-0002-5602-03f6-dbdbfff5cbea https://www.nfl.com/prospects/j'mon-moore?id=32462018-0002-5600-241e-b3b4f7f6d768 ESB has the highest rating of all three. Interesting write ups. Worth the time for sure.

I appreciate the response. For the bolded, I'm not playing the hindsight game. There's no way to say what I would have preferred. I was fine with the Spriggs pick, I understood the Fackrell pick. No worries. I'm just saying this...the WR corp this year is the worst I can remember. And as you stated, most of the time, our WR corp has been a top unit in the league. It is not now. That's all I'm saying. Not arguing for or against rookies either, just stating that as it stands today, the club is weaker at WR than it has been in a long, long time. Offensive line. I think BB is out for the first part of the season, then what are you getting back? That is my point. You don't know what Bulaga is anymore. RT is a weaker position this year than it has been in the past. Weaker at RG. Our center hasn't played at a high level since being a rookie, maybe part of that was breaking in Taylor and then having Evans next to him last year. Top 10 OL? I hope you are right, but I don't see it that way...right now. Could change with a strong camp from McCray or Madison. And again, I don't feel the line is as strong this year as it has been in years past. That is my only point. Edge, again, not playing the hindsight game. Just looking at guys we have now, and their age, compared to the past, we aren't as good as we have been. Maybe we are slightly better this year than we were last year, but we took a huge hit the year before when we let Peppers go. I don't care about those other named guys, I'm just looking at what we have...and it isn't as good as it has been in the past. Freely admit that SCHEME from Pettine can make a LARGE difference here. I'm comprehending just fine. Just stating facts. Just as I stated that I really like the DL, much stronger than it has been in the past and that I like the MLB, because I dig Martinez. You seem to take offense to anyone stating that this year's team isn't as talented as some teams from the past. I'm not sure why that is. But, you've done it before and you are doing it again. I didn't say that this is a poor team, or a bad team. Just stating that it isn't as talented as it has been in the past. That is a FAR CRY from stating this is a bad roster. Heck, it has Rodgers on it, right there it is going to win 10 games, plus or minus one...if he is healthy.

I should have been more specific. Bell cow, first round backs, are luxuries. As in luxury picks. As in you can do fine with later drafted guys. I dig what GB has done with their committee approach. And...it makes a tweaked ankle easier to overcome. For as much as I loved Zeke coming out, and Barkley this year, that's a lot to invest in...and lose with a rolled ankle. Risk and reward. GB didn't risk much, but they got great reward (IMHO) at the RB position.

K. I agree with you. Let me follow up... I think it is a given that Rodgers makes receivers better than they really are, right? I think it is a given that Graham can be lumped in with receivers, right? Graham is better than Bennett at receiver. Bennett was better than Rich Rod. Bennett is better than Quarles and everything else we've trotted out since JFin. For this year...I think we are fine at tight end and sitting better than we have been in a while. Totally agree on the long term view of the tight end group, though. I think that the OL group is what has me scared most as it relates to Rodgers and that filters to the WR's/TE's.

I agree with that. And his injuries have happened at unfortunate times that have delayed that growth in the years where growth is most apparent.

In this NFL, I view running backs as luxury items. As such, there aren't many bell cow dudes in the league anymore. And when they are there, that shelf life isn't very long. I kind of dig the 3 that GB has...separate from each other, I think there are huge flaws in all of their games. But combined as a committee? I really like what Monty/Williams/Jones brings to the table. As you stated, the only thing keeping that grouping back is...pass protection. One of them steps up in that regard and GB will be just find in the backfield. I'd argue the QB not dumping that ball off also holds that group back, so fingers crossed that Rodgers takes some checkdowns this year.

Just reading Franklin's name makes me sad. Had high hopes for him.