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  1. Most of the 1st round guys go in the 20's... which is then compounded by what we missed out on in a trade down. I do expect Hock to be a very good player but he's not better than Fant + Metcalf + a defensive addition.
  2. You could have been right. If Miami wasn't willing to move up then I feel that they would have gone with plan B (probably Herbert). We'd have two franchise QB's in Stafford and Tua on the roster. That would have created some controversy in itself and remember, the offense wasn't the issue last year. Tua was also not a lock because of the questions on his injury. If this season was a fail out (which is what it appears to be) then we're likely looking at a new regime and they're going to want their own QB. If the new regime doesn't want Tua (over Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields) it could bring into question his health and reduce the compensation for him. We don't want a repeat of the Josh Rosen situation.
  3. Yeah... after seeing the Pittsburgh trade for Bush I would have to imagine a similar offer would have been on the table for us. I can only imagine what the team would look like with Fant + Metcalf + Anfernee Jennings instead of TJ. It's not even to say he's a bad player but he could have been available for us at #20 and if not, Fant is a great consolation prize as he appears to be the better Iowa TE.
  4. I remember hearing this kind of buzz around the draft time with Brown being viewed as the potential draft pick. I agree with Sllim on both the Okudah pick and the Hockenson pick. Noah Fant - 74.9 2020 PFF Score TJ Hockenson - 63.7 2020 PFF Score We took Hock over - Fant + 2019 2nd (Miles Sanders/DK Metcalf/Mecole Hardman) + 2020 3rd
  5. DETROIT LIONS 2020 SELECTIONS (Non 1st Round) 2 - D'Andre Swift, RB: 58.6 3 - Julian Okwara, DE: 49.7 3 - Jonah Jackson, OG: 66.1 4 - Logan Stenberg, OG: No score 5 - Quintez Cephus, WR: 63.5 5 - Jason Huntley, RB 66.4 (with Philadelphia Eagles) 6 - John Penisini, DT: 40.2 7 - Jashon Cornell, DE: No score The highest rated player in the draft class isn't even on the team anymore. For transparency's sake, that is on one rushing attempt for 1 yard.
  6. A couple other guys from my own memory plus Lions actual picks. Feel free to add anyone else. Kyle Dugger, S: 65.1 Ross Blacklock, DT: 30.4 Jonathan Taylor, RB: 65.5 Marlon Davidson, DE/DT: No score Trevon Diggs, CB: 50.3 AJ Epenesa, DE: 58.9 Josh Uche, LB: No score Kristian Fulton, CB: 67.5 AJ Dillon, RB: 91.2 Jeremy Chinn, S: 43.1 Neville Gallimore, DT: 53.2 Zack Moss, RB: 63.4 Malik Harrison, LB: 59.2 Joshua Kelley, RB: 65.6 Bradlee Anae, DE: 81.6
  7. PFF Scores for the 2020 1st round class. Lions' candidates for the #3 pick (or in trade down scenarios) will be in bold. Positions that had been in discussion were: QB, CB, DE, DT, OT 1 - CIN - Joe Burrow, QB: 66.7 2 - WSH - Chase Young, DE: 81.1 3- DET - Jeffrey Okudah, CB: 28.6 4 - NYG - Andrew Thomas, OT: 56.0 5 - MIA - Tua Tagovaiola, QB: N/A > No games played 6 - LAC - Justin Herbert, QB: 56.9 7 - CAR - Derrick Brown, DT: 29.9 8 - ARI - Isaiah Simmons, LB: 28.4 9 - JAC - CJ Henderson, CB: 80.3 10 - CLE - Jedrick Wills, OT: 66.4 11 - NYJ - Mekhi Becton, OT: 79.7 12 - LV - Henry Ruggs, WR: 63.8 13 - TB - Tristan Wirfs, OT: 76.4 14 - SF - Javon Kinlaw, DT: 64.6 15 - DEN - Jerry Jeudy, WR: 63.6 16 - ATL - AJ Terrell, CB: 63.4 17 - DAL - Ceedee Lamb, WR: 62.3 18 - MIA - Austin Jackson, OT: 47.9 19 - LV - Damon Arnette, CB: 52.6 20 - JAC - K'Lavon Chaisson, LB: 65.3 21 - PHI - Jalen Reagor, WR: 54.4 22 - MIN - Justin Jefferson, WR: 60.3 23 - LAC - Kenneth Murray, LB: 50.9 24 - NO - Cesar Ruiz, OC: N/A > No games played 25 - SF - Brandon Aiyuk, WR: 69.2\ 26 - GB - Jordan Love, QB: N/A > No games played 27 - SEA - Jordyn Brooks, LB: 64.5 28 - BAL - Patrick Queen, LB: 42.0 29 - TEN - Isaiah Wilson, OT: N/A > No games played 30 - MIA - Noah Igbinoghene, CB: 31.9 31 - MIN - Jeff Gladney, CB: 48.5 32 - KC - Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB: 71.7
  8. Agreed, 100%. CBs take time, coming off an injury and no real training camp. Have to look long term.
  9. Chase Young is 81.1. Not gonna lie, totally forgot about Andrew Thomas to the Giants. Im going to put out a list of the 1st round with PFF scores in a different thread.
  10. 29.9 PFF Score with 29.9 Run Defense and 58(?) Pass rush score. So...not good.
  11. Week 1 84.2; week 2 67.4 for 80.5 PFF score
  12. Thoughts on CJ Henderson two weeks in? He had a great week 1 but I haven't heard/looked into his week 2.
  13. I'm not talking about Quinn or Patricia specifically. Just that the new HC should be given a timeframe to execute their plan. @Nnivolcm has indicated that for his part of this thread, 1) he would fire Patricia; 2) would not commit to a candidate; 3) Is commenting on how nobody of quality would want to play for the Fords. Firing a HC after 2 years is going to give any quality candidate pause, which is what is being done in this exercise. In hindsight, firing Patricia before this off-season might have been the right move. It would still have some consequence and potentially be a deterrent to another coach that has a few choices from selecting us as their preferred choice. In hindsight, I would select Mike Vrabel over Matt Patricia as our Head Coach. We probably would not need to have this discussion if we had.
  14. Especially if they could get fired after two years with the most recent year having lost their franchise QB halfway through the season. It would be hard to attract good quality candidates with such a quick hook. Had the 49ers taken the same approach, they would have fired Shanahan and not have had last years 13-3 + SB appearance.
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