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  1. Most complete back in NFL history

    Sayers had a fluidity to his running that is best compared to the way Randy Moss ran with the ball. People often compare Sayers to Barry Sanders but there running style wasn't the same. Barry's much lower center of gravity allowed him to run full speed, full stop on a dime, then be back to full speed again in a second. Sayers just seemed to flow around and past players like Moss did. Sayers also had an underrated power game, especially for a guy his size at around 200 lbs but it was nothing compared to Payton's.
  2. Most complete back in NFL history

    Yeah, Brown had that arrogance about him, similar to Randy Moss, that many extremely gifted players have. They often lack the team mentality that elevates guys like Payton.
  3. Most complete back in NFL history

    Again, Jim Brown was just the best athlete on the field in every game he played in and it was generally not even close. Consider this, in the 1960s, DTs weighed around 250 pounds and LBs weighed 220. Jim Brown was 6'2" and 230-240 lbs and was jacked, he also ran a 9.8 in the 100. He was so much more physically gifted than anyone else that he could more or less do whatever he wanted on the field. Payton, on the other hand, was 5'10" and 205 lbs. So while someone could argue that Brown's greatness shouldn't be diminished because he was in the right place at the right time (Randy Moss), I tend to favor players who accomplish the same or more based on extra effort and passion for the game in which case I hold the like of Payton and Rice in very high regard.
  4. Most complete back in NFL history

    I think the Wilt Chamberlain of RBs is Jim Brown by a wide margin. Payton dominated because he was one of the most natural runners of all time and while he had some physical dominance, it was nothing like what Jim Brown possessed. I don't think there was a single player who was on Brown's level physically at that time, he was the epitome of an athletic freak whereas in Payton's case there were quite a few like Ronnie Lott, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, and Leroy Selmon. As far as the topic in general, I think you got to give to Walter Payton. His receiving stats are comparable to LTs but he did it well before it became popular to be a dual-threat at the position. Payton was also THE weapon on those Bears teams so defenses were often focused on only stopping him and he was able to produce like he did which was amazing. He often gets overshadowed by the electricity that Barry Sanders brought to the game but if I had to take 1 RB in history to be the centerpiece of an offense it would be Payton.
  5. The amount of physical development that takes place from the moment a player stops playing college ball to the moment they step onto an NFL field is staggering. I think we would see some serious injuries if a college team, even all-Americans played a real game of football against an NFL team. The college team would also get beat quite easily, even by the browns.
  6. Life since 0-16

    And one of the main reasons why they haven’t had a run game is because they’ve done a poor job of drafting and or developing OL.
  7. Life since 0-16

    Key developments: Stafford: Under JBC, Stafford has limited his turnovers and bad decision making while also becoming a more well-rounded passer. Unfortunately, one key area that JBC has not helped him with is becoming a more consistent player from start to finish. Stafford still suffers from starting slow in the majority of his games which often times puts more pressure on not just him but the team. If he can somehow finally kick this habit, I think he could solidify himself as a top 5 QB in the game. Bob Quinn: So far, I think that he is doing a much better job than Mayhew. There is a very methodical approach that I'm seeing with Quinn that focuses on logical decision making as opposed to picking the splash player. While I'm still not 100% sold on the Patriot approach because it misses the key element that makes that whole system work, BB, its at least a safe bet that we will field an at worst, mediocre team for the foreseeable future. One thing that remains to be seen though, and this is the thing that has dogged this franchise since the Fords took over, is that players tend to not develop a sense of urgency when it comes to not only their development but the team's success. Its rare for any player we draft to last past their rookie contract, either because they aren't good enough to resign or they don't want to. We have an abysmal record, especially since the Millen era, of spending the higher round picks and getting very little to show for the long term. I hope that with Patricia and Quinn's past relationship, we can finally see a more solid development of the team's talent.
  8. Where does Calvin Johnson rank all-time?

    Calvin is a lot like another Lion great, Barry Sanders, in that both were transcendent players in a select few key physical skill areas that allowed them to dominate but are often overrated because their dominance led to an overabundance of wow plays that were mostly wasted on bad team management.
  9. What are the G-Men doing at #2?

    I don't think its a changing of the guard. We just haven't seen the next Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers emerge. Even during all of this heavy passing, there have still been plenty of successful running teams. The Ravens during the Ray Lewis era, the Seahawks, the Steelers, 49ers during Harbaugh's short stint, the Giants, the recent Cowboys, and on and on. But, these teams didn't rely on a generational talent at RB (except current cowboys) but often times more of a 1-2 punch system. It's just not realistic these days to expect an offense to focus on a single star RB for any period of time and expect for that player to hold up year after year.
  10. Is the Steelers offense overrated?

    Inconsistent play from Bell and Big Ben with latter not being the type of QB that gets into a groove over the course of several games. He'll throw for 400 yards and 4 TDs once or twice a year but for the most part he's going 250 with 1 TD and 1 INT. Bell is also highly overrated. His YPC is quite low and while he does produce decent overall stats as a dual threat, I don't consider him overly dominant for stretches. He only had 11 TDs last year.
  11. Top 5 QB's in 5 Years?

    1. Wentz 2. Wilson 3. Rosen 4. Stafford 5. Jimmy G.
  12. He could have been elite. He not only had the accuracy but great anticipation and a high football IQ. He definitely showed the potential that could have elevated him to the Brees, Manning, Brady, Warner level. One of the true what could have beens of his era.
  13. Bold Predictions Thread

    Josh Rosen ends up becoming the starter in Ariz by week four and they win out the rest of the season making the playoffs. Saquan Barkley struggles to find running room behind the Giants line and is unable to get into a rhythm. Eli continues to plays poorly. A frustrated OBJ lashes out at the media because he's not getting enough touches as the team ends up with a losing record.
  14. What are the G-Men doing at #2?

    Old habits die hard I guess. I recently looked at the last 2 decades of drafts thinking that no RB had been take as high as # 2 and I was surprised to see how many have actually been drafted in the top 5 and how elite RB prospects continue to go in the top 5: Barkley # 2 - We will see Fournette # 4 - Best chance of the current elite backs to get a championship. They have a Ravens feel about them. Zeke # 4 - Work in progress but I feel that that 2016 was a fluke year Richardson # 3 - Mega bust McFadden # 4 - Bust Reggie Bush # 2 - Bust Ronnie Brown # 2 - Bust Cedric Benson #4 - Bust Cadillac Williams # 5 - Bust LT # 5 - HoF Jamal Lewis # 5 - Fringe HoF Edge # 4 - Fringe HoF Ricky Williams # 5 - Has a special place in NFL lore Adrian Peterson went # 7 due to injury concerns. HoF. But, as I expected, only 1 of these players was a significant contributor to a SB (Lewis) win but the majority of them ended up being busts. One thing though, when I look at this list, the only guy who I think was an equal or greater prospect than Barkley coming out was Reggie Bush and we know what happened there. AP is up there too but his injury issues were a major concern when he was coming out.
  15. The blind side has been a myth for a long time

    Nothing has changed in as far as the actual blind side of a QB. A right-handed thrower will not be able to see a rusher coming up from the opposite side of his body so the LT generally needs to hold that player up. Sure, there are now more creative defensive schemes that have players coming from all angles but a QB should naturally be able to scan about of the space around him150 degrees, it's that 30 that's accounted for with an elite LT. Its still the most important position on the OL and the hardest to fill with top level talent.