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  1. Edge Rushers vs. Interior Rushers

    It depends on the offense you are facing. Brady for instance is a lot more susceptible to interior pressure
  2. Le'Veon Bell or Rob Gronkowski?

    Gronk very easily. Gronk has such a wide catch radius that you don't even need to be all that accurate to utilize him well. He'll be a mismatch anywhere on the field and will likely open up match ups for receivers. He has value as a blocker and can beef up your QB's protection if you are playing a particularly strong defense. He has spam ability where you can just abuse him like a cheat code if all else feels. Leveon's great, don't get me wrong. But Gronk is a guy who will likely go down as the most dominant to ever play his position from an athletic standpoint. Leveon will go down as a really great pass catching RB.
  3. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    But that’s how they’ve been voting. The best player of the very early NFL went in on the inaugural class. (Hutson) The best WR of the 50’s, early 60’s and immediate pre Super Bowl era went first ballot. (Berry) The best WR of the late 60’s and mid 70’s went first ballot. (Warfield) The best WR of the late 70’s to mid 80’s went first ballot (Largent) The best WR of the mid/late. 80’s through mid 90’s went in first ballot. (Rice) and finally, the best player of the late 90’s through 2000’s went first ballot. (Moss) Everyone else waited.
  4. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    The problem is you are comparing Berry, Largent and Warfield to today and not how they they were seen in the hierarchy when people voted on them. Like in Largent’s case he retired with 6 of the major all time receiver records. You compare them to what exists today. Not what might exist in the future. TO had a very similar issue to Carter. He didn’t pass Rice, but his stats were arguably second best. But statistics are so inflated for the position from generation to generation that there is a point where you just say “they are going to keep getting better stats anyways”.
  5. Thread likely to be locked, but needless to say the dude's been an Aaron Hernandez level headcase with stories about him having a dark side predating his NFL playing. Some people are just wired differently.
  6. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    This too. I like how the complaint is essentially "journalists get really upset when players impede in their ability to do their job because they don't feel like answering questions for whatever reason on a given day". That's like saying players are self important because they get upset at refs missing calls and impeding in their ability to do their job. What jerks.
  7. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    I think it's to say TO was a professional. But tbh with you TO easily could have been doing that just because he liked being able to show off his abs (and thousands of people have diets like that in their personal life for similar reasons). He certainly wasn't a professional in his locker room. Jerry Rice was a professional. He only cared about working every day. He was a locker room leader. He didn't try to be a distraction for his teams. He tried to focus his team towards winning.
  8. Dumbest Coach Quotes

    I actually kind of agree with this
  9. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    Butts hurt by ruffled feathers.
  10. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    No we are talking about getting in first ballot.
  11. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    1. Yeah for when they retired.. Rice/Moss/Largent/Berry all retired 1 or 2 all time and 1 overall for the era they played in. TO is largely at best considered 3 and 2 for his era. Ala he's a step below them. When they voted on Berry they didn't there would be a Jerry Rice who would smash everything he ever did. You can't retroactively vote that way. 2. No that's sound logic. It has nothing to do with Rice. All 5 of them have this in common a) they were the consensus best QB of their era b) they owned either all time statistics or single season records c) they were voted first team All Pro by the same voters who do the Hall (which shows where they viewed them for that decade) TO is not the consensus best of his era. TO has no All Time Stat records or any single season records to his name. The voters didn't give him First Team All Decade for any of the periods he played in. Ala when TO retired, he was not regarded as highly in the pantheon of great receivers as when those 5 did. When Largent retired for instance, he owned 6 of the All Time statistical receiving records. So when the voters were deciding to put him in the Hall they were looking at someone who had a real claim to being GOAT. 3. Randy Moss right now does have the weakest case. But TO has a weaker one. So you're splitting hairs. There's always going to be a weakest guy. The difference was that Randy Moss can say that he has significant statistical records and was largely viewed as the best of his era by a general consensus, and has a claim to being at worst 3 of all time. TO is below that. And yeah I agree that his offield had more to do with it, but the fact is if you are comparing TO to the people that you are arguing he should be among, he shouldn't be the absolute weakest. Like If TO had the single season yards and TD record, was considered ahead of Moss by virtually everyone and was widely viewed as the most talented of his era, then you could say he cuts the mustard compared to others. But he doesn't. He was just a super elite WR who was probably the third best of the era he played in with Rice and Moss playing during that time.
  12. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    I don't have TO outside the top 5. I'm saying that historically the HOF has only put #1 or #2 of all time WR's in the HOF on the first ballot. If TO made it first ballot, he'd have the weakest case of any 1st ballot HOF'er at his position upon induction.
  13. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    It's generally the majority opinion that Moss was ahead of TO. Also that has yet to be seen. I think longevity will prevent Calvin from going 1st ballot, I think Fitz will probably wait too, but if he doesn't he's still going to finish ahead of TO in receptions and will pass him in yards this year. Brown maybe but we should note that Brown's the only guy whose even on pace with Rice's stats so if he keeps up, he would be more deserving than TO
  14. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    .... that’s their job..... when you refuse you are literally impeding in their job.
  15. Owens declines HoF Ceremony Invitation

    Again I will maintain that based off his play and the high standards for what a HOF WR getting in first ballot is, he did not belong in the same class. Again Berry could have called himself the GOAT when he retired. Warfield was the best of the first decade of the Super Bowl era. Largent could have called himself the GOAT. Rice put all stats out of contention for at least a couple of generations. Moss is largely seen as the best of his era and the best ever athlete at the position. Id honestly put TO a step below them.