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  1. AFCCG - Jags at Pats

    Just crunched the numbers. Since the terrible start in September for the first 4 weeks... the Patriots actually have been the best team in the league as far as ppg from weak 5 on. Patriots 14ppg, Vikings 14.6, Jaguars 16.1, Eagles 16.9. Meanwhile, Jacksonville's weakest stretch of the year defensively came in December and we just saw Pittsburgh hang 40 on a couple days ago. Really liking our chances. Our defense has been holding up the best as of late between the remaining playoff teams and our offense is imo easily the best.
  2. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Well considering I'm not arguing that Brady;s the greatest athlete in this thread and I'm not losing my mind over a player being critiqued, yeah I am.
  3. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Which is precisely NOT what I ever said and why I've had to post multiple times. Maybe if some people actually read the posts they were responding to and the point didn't go way over their head this thread wouldn't be this long. Never said Jordan wasn't that good. Said he was the GOAT in virtually every post I made. From my first post on I said Brady is not the greatest sports player ever. I said that a lot of people are trying argue against Brady by bringing up critiques that you could equally apply to Jordan. I'm sorry there's a bunch of fanboys in this thread who apparently haven't left their 90's childhood who don't have the maturity to deal with any constructive criticism of Jordan because they've been indoctrinated into the Skip Bayless mentality of it being heresy to say anything that could be construed as a negative about Jordan.
  4. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Because people keep arguing against this point they all agree with me on
  5. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    'Do you want me to explain what a strawman is to you Mr. "Do Defenses win Super Bowls". Come at me bro
  6. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    So what I've pretty much been saying this whole thread......
  7. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Ohhh..... so you need a HOF coach to not be stupid like the Colts and realize you maybe shouldn't completely disregard the backup for the most important position in the sport... Guess that Pederson is a HOF Belichick like coach for having Foles as a backup lead his team to the conference finals.
  8. No.... Name a sport where that's happened. The NFL literally got at it's absolute hottest in an era where Brady/Manning/Ben were in every Super Bowl since 2003 except for one. And one was the one that bucked the trend of high viewership. The NBA got it's best ratings when Jordan and the Bulls were in like every Finals. Since 2011 the NBA Finals got monster ratings with Lebron in the Finals for 7 straight years and the same Finals match up 3 times.
  9. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    No because that's disengenous. You're taking the Colts at probably the weakest point of their run in the 2000's and taking the Patriots at probably the most stacked they every were in the 2000's. Then you're ignoring that the Colts replaced Manning with two QB's who were absolute trash and never played another snap again and the Patriots replaced Brady with a very competent back up who was capable of going to another team and winning double digit games and making a pro bowl in the right situation. Also ignoring that a rookie Luck went on the Colts and immediately made them a double digit team again. So yeah you can make that comparison. It just exposes a severe lack of the ability to understand context and it's not really worth discussing because it's been refuted too many times to count.
  10. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    I know. But put it this way, Lebron was on a Cav's team that he was dragging to conference finals that was so bad that they became one of the worst teams in the league when he left and the ONLY reason he wasn't getting in the Finals was because he couldn't get past a super team.
  11. Does Defense Win Championships?

    It's almost like sports aren't played by robots and there is a human element to it that makes it impossible to make any perfect comparisons.
  12. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    It's so dumb. So dumb. Brady/Gretzky/Jordan/Ruth are generally going to be regarded as the GOAT's of the 4 main sports. Ali is largely going to be seen as the boxing GOAT (especially to the mainstream). Phelps is the GOAT swimmer. Nicklaus is the GOAT golfer. Federer is the GOAT tennis player. Etc. That's the general perception by the mainstream public. It's impossible to really compare across sports. Even more difficult when you factor in impact on the team sports vs individual sports. And historians of those sports will argue for and against those conceptions (boxing people will argue Lewis or Robinson, baseball people argue Cobb alot, basketball people argue Wilt or Magic sometimes, hockey people argue Orr and Howe, football people argue Montana and Rice and Brown, etc etc.
  13. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Actually the Garnett/Pierce/Allen Celtics were the first super team of the current era. And Lebron left to form the Heat mainly as a response to that.
  14. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    If you put Jordan in the exact same timeframe as Bird and Magic he patently wouldn't. The Lakers and Celtics in the 80's were both good enough to compete with the 90's Bulls and get wins off them. He wouldn't have 6 championships. Bird had arguably the greatest peak of all time. Magic was sensational his whole career. He might have come out of that era as the top guy, but he wouldn't not come out of that era as shiny and as accomplished as he did by having his prime years in the 90's. That's not even talking about those Detroit Piston teams that would be in the mix. Also ONCE AGAIN, people not reading this thread and reading the overall point of made, that I've explicitly stated MANY times. You aren't convincing me that Jordan's the GOAT. I already said MANY times that he was the GOAT. I said that he benefitted and much of his mystique is based in the fact that in addition to being a sensational player he had the best circumstance of any player in NBA history. Great coach with the perfect scheme that proved he could win elsewhere (you can say he had great players all the time, whatever he still won), great supporting cast and his 2nd three peat he had two HOF'ers on his squad. Played in beneficial era where the competition was lesser than the era directly preceding and succeeding it. So when people say Brady's success is a product of his circumstance, so is Jordan to a large extent. Put Jordan's prime and best teams in the 80's and he's in the mix with Magic's Laker's, Bird's Celtics, and the Bad Boy Pistons. He isn't coming out as good as he did in the 90's. Put him in the 2000's and he's competing with the Kobe/Shaq Lakers, the Spurs, the big Pierce/Garnett/Allen Celtics, and the Kobe/Gasol second run of the Lakers. He isn't coming out with 6 titles. Granted he'll cannibalize everyone else, he probably will end up with the most titles, but he's facing a much harder path.
  15. Does Defense Win Championships?

    I always use this example but the Cowboys have had a crap defense since 2012/2013. In 2014 and 2016 their ppg was good. That was largely because a solid offensive line, a good QB, and a runningback having a career year were sustaining long drives and keeping the defense off the field. When they didn't have that, those teams looked mediocre to bad. The defense on nearly every metric was playing just as bad as ever. But they were usually playing with less time and a lead. So I disagree that ppg isn't highly influenced by outside factors. DVOA is far more of an isolated evaluation of the defense. But ppg is more important as a predicative stat because defense isn't the only unit on the field.
  16. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    This thread is absolute dirt at this point. It's like people don't read posts or read them out of context.
  17. What are your thoughts on Payton, Tomlin, and McCarthy?

    The irony is that McCarthy gets the most "well he would be nothing without his QB", but of the three coaches he's the most responsible for his QB being as good as he is.
  18. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Phil Jackson still has 11 championships, 5 of which are without Jordan. If it weren't for Brady, Belichick might have ended up an absolute nobody as he's only made a single playoff without Brady. Have you heard of a guy named Dennis Rodman? HOF'er? Was with Jordan during his second threepeat? The Cavs were trash when Lebron left, they were championship caliber when he came back. Name a single team Jordan faced in the Finals as good as the Spurs and Warriors teams Lebron faced? Again my point is, that if someone is going to say "well Manning and Favre are close to Brady", then my answer is "who cares cause Lebron, Wilt, Kobe, and Magic are just as close to Jordan". It's a redundant argument thing. Any argument you can really make against Brady similarly applies to Jordan in some capacity or another. People act like Jordan was untouchable. He's the GOAT, but he is as benefited by circumstance as Brady ever was.
  19. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Because you made a point to interject yourself into a conversation you weren't part of and the minute I refuted your point you completely abandoned the discussion and ran to bring up completely irrelevant points that I wasn't arguing. There was no point to making that additional post besides to create another completely seperate argument than the one I was making. I don't even mention the cheating thing in my last post. But let's go through this, in court the NFL admitted they had no direct evidence of Brady cheating. I don't know where you get off thinking you have the authority to qualify or disqualify people on being on whatever tier, but whatever.
  20. Does Defense Win Championships?

    PPG is a more indicative stat of how the defense is likely to perform and what parameters to expect the final score to be around. Which is more valuable in predicting an outcome. DVOA is more indicative of the actual strength of the defense proper with all it's components accounted for. PPG can just simply be a function of a slightly above average defense but they have a good offense that chews up time of possession and gets out to big leads so teams have to play them differently from behind and with shorter windows of a time and maybe even poor field position. Meaning the defense might not be that great, but other factors give it a better ppg. However, it's kind of foolhardy to act like that doesn't matter and that in a vacuum the offense and special teams won't contribute the same way and create that beneficial circumstance for our defense.
  21. Does Defense Win Championships?

    Good balanced teams win championships
  22. How good would Antonio Brown be with...

    It's like if Moss and Edelman had a love child
  23. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    Yawn... I watched Jordan. He was my favorite athlete as a kid. Aside from Boston sports I was like every other kid who idolized Jordan, in fact in the 90's I had more Chicago Bulls gear than Patriots gear. However, I watched Lebron too. Lebron is a better athlete and a bigger difference maker to his teams than Jordan was. Lebron played stiffer competition than Jordan in most of Finals, Lebron played on worse teams in ALL of his finals. Jordan never played a super team in a final. Lebron never had the coaching excellence or consistency that Jordan had. Lebron's teams fell completely apart when he left them and became league worst teams. Jordan's team was still good when he took a year off it took Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Phil Jackson leaving the same year to dismantle the Chicago Bulls. If Lebron left the Cavs and everyone else stayed they'd be a losing team. Feel free to try to dispute anything I said.
  24. Will Tom Brady Become The Greatest...

    It's not, but it's a team sport, and Jordan was subjected to just as much influence from the pieces around him. He shouldn't even rank if you compare him to Phelps or Ali. Again my point is the illegitimate arguments. Well Brady's had great teams? Jordan's had great teams. Well Brady had a great coach? Jordan had a great coach and his coach won 5 titles without him (which is 5 more titles than Belichick without Brady) Well Brady doesn't own all the stat records yet? Neither does Jordan, in fact Wilt generally laps him. Well there's other QB's close to Brady? No closer than Kobe, Lebron, Wilt, and Magic are to Jordan. If those are strikes against Brady, then they are strikes against Jordan, and then put Gretzky or Ali or Phelps or whoever ahead of Jordan. They myth behind Jordan is greater than the reality nowadays and it's kind of funny.
  25. Does Defense Win Championships?

    Going to amend that for 2011. In 2011, Eli Manning had the third highest passer rating of his career, highest yards total, and highest Y/A of his career. His post season run: 65% completion, 1219 yards (or 307.7 yards per game), 7.5 Y/A, 9TD's, 1INT, 103.3 rating. You can put Eli having a great season and a phenomenal post season up there.
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