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  1. Patrick Willis vs Luke Kuechly

    Yeah, that was why I put "as far as testing numbers go". I know guys can test all-world but it doesn't show up on the field and vice versa. I just thought it was interesting. Both were great (and different) players and both were great athletes.
  2. Patrick Willis vs Luke Kuechly

    Willis (6011, 242) - 40: 4.56 Vert: 39 Broad: 9-11 3-Cone: 7.23 Shuttle: 4.46 Bench: 22 Kuechly (6032, 242) - 40: 4.58 Vert: 38 Broad: 10-3 3-Cone: 6.92 Shuttle: 4.12 Bench: 27 I know combine numbers aren't everything, but one could argue Kuechly was actually a better pure athlete as far as testing numbers go. There certainly wasn't a massive gap between the two.
  3. The Ohio State Buckeyes Thread v.12 — 8 in a row

    I also believe it was LSU's season to win it all, and they would have been very hard to beat last night. I do think OSU was probably a better matchup for them, and mainly because of Jeff Okudah / Damon Arnette / Shaun Wade. I know Chase and Jefferson are extremely good players, but I don't think the OSU CBs would have been lit up quite like Terrell and company were lit up. He had an awful night for sure. But Fields just wasn't healthy at the end of the season (and that was one of the main reason they didn't beat Clemson. They couldn't score in the redzone, where he was very productive all year as a runner) and I don't think they could have outscored LSU.
  4. Rank the Ohio State DB's

    #1: Okudah / Ward - Before this season I would have taken Ward pretty easily... besides prototype size I felt like he checked off every single box and to me he was the best CB they'd had in recent years. He was always extremely consistent, which is what you want in a CB. Okudah was lights out this season though. He's the complete package. Size, athleticism, very good tackler, scheme versatile, etc. He finally put it all together, where I felt like in past seasons he was living off of his name and recruiting ranking more than anything (although he played well in 2018 as a quasi-starter too; that defensive scheme did those DBs no favors). Those guys are / were no-doubter top 5 prospects #2: Lattimore - we really only got to see one healthy season of Lattimore, but the talent was evident. #3: Hooker #4: Conley - I actually liked Conley a lot and I've been surprised he hasn't been very good in the league. I felt like Lattimore flashed more on the field but Conley was the more consistent of the two. I thought he'd be a solid starter for a long time. #5 Apple - Apple certainly wasn't bad, but he just never really stood to me either. I could see why his size and athleticism were intriguing to teams, but I was pretty shocked when he went in the top 10. Those other 5 DB on this list were elite or close to elite prospects IMO, and all deserving of their 1st round selections. Apple... thought he was more of a late 1st kind of guy. FWIW, Arnette played just as well as Okudah this season and he was actually targeted less than him regularly. He absolutely played like a first rounder. I think he goes 2nd round at the end of the day, but he had a very good year and he's also got a complete game. Very good tackler and aggressive in the run game.
  5. The Ohio State Buckeyes Thread v.12 — 8 in a row

    Malik Harrison? The senior LB? No. He's always been a LB. I thought maybe you were thinking of Zach Harrison, true freshman DE at first. And yes, he's supposed to be the next big thing at DE.
  6. BrownLeader 2020 Positional Rankings

    No Damon Arnette / Shaun Wade in your CB rankings? I know Okudah gets all of the love for them (and deservedly so) but in my eyes Arnette has been their best CB all season long coverage wise. I can't think of more than 3 balls that have been completed on him. Good size, very good in run support, sticky coverage, and the dude just plays hard with a ton of confidence. He's also played with a broken hand all season. He's a 2nd rounder all day IMO. Keeping with Ohio State... where is Davon Hamilton? He has been a monster at NT all season and I don't think he's making it out of the top 3 rounds. Same thing with Jonah Jackson and Wyatt Davis (redshirt sophomore) at guard. C Josh Myers and those 2 guys make up what might be the best interior OL in the country.
  7. Official 2020 CB/S Thread

    Wade plays almost entirely in the slot. OSU has started 3 CBs and only 1 safety all season long... Arnette and Okudah out wide and Wade in the slot, and they don't switch it up at all (although against Michigan Arnette did play in the slot with Wade being out). I doubt Wade has played more than 30 snaps out wide his entire career at Ohio State.
  8. The Ohio State Buckeyes Thread v.12 — 8 in a row

    Yeah, I know. I just don't know if he pops off the screen as THE top player in the country when I watch him. I watched a little bit of Drew Sanders this morning, a top 25 player and also a similarly sized 6-5, 230 kid that plays both WR and DE and to me his physical ability jumped off the screen way more. Maybe next year is a weaker year at the top of the class for elite players? *shrug* I really don't want it to sound like I'm hating on Sawyer. He's a consensus top 5 player everywhere for a reason. I'm just a bit surprised he's ranked #1 overall instead of being a high end 4 star guy given his film.
  9. The Ohio State Buckeyes Thread v.12 — 8 in a row

    I think Sawyer is going to be a great player at Ohio State, but does anyone else not get a "#1 player in the country" feel when they watch his film or is it just me? I'm sort of surprised he's ranked as highly as he is. Top 50 player absolutely but I don't know... then again, Jashon Cornell was at one point EPSN's #1 player in the country too. Give Larry Johnson an athletic 6-5 body though (if he's still around hopefully) and good things are almost guaranteed to happen. Really excited to see what he does with Harrison these next few years, and Cade Stover was recently moved to DE. He's intriguing as well.
  10. Official 2020 WR Thread

    I think K.J. Hill is a 4.55 at best sort of guy, and might even run 4.60+.
  11. Official 2020 DL/EDGE Thread

    Hubbard? He didn't run at the combine. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000919280/Jones-Sam-Hubbard-not-ready-to-run-40-yard-dash http://www.draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=131234&DraftYear=2018
  12. Official 2020 DL/EDGE Thread

    He actually ran a 4.95 on Ohio State's notoriously fast track at his proday. Probably a 5.0+ 40 had he ran at the combine.
  13. 2021 Prospects and beyond

    Penn State reported Saquon's time as 4.33 as well during off season testing if I recall. Turned out to be a 4.40 at the combine, so either way the dude is a freakshow. People discredited Gary's 4.57 a year or so ago. 4.58 at the combine. So who knows. Either way, even if they're .2 seconds off a 4.53 at that size is still movin'. I remember him as a recruit being raw as hell but Ohio State wanted him pretty badly.
  14. The Ohio State Buckeyes Thread v.12 — 8 in a row

    I'm seeing that Mack has been mainly at the Z this spring so that the team will have their 3 best WRs on the field most of the time. It sounds like the depth chart will be: X: VIctor, Harris Z: Mack, Olave, Wilson / Gardiner H: Hill, Gill / Saunders We haven't heard a damn thing about Gardiner. Harris taking another step this season would be huge, and obviously Olave will essentially be a starter. Usually my expectations for true freshmen playing big minutes is almost non-existent but I think Wilson sees the field a good bit, mainly out of necessity. Williams is definitely a wildcard... his film shows a lot of rawness but he's got a ton of speed. At 170 ish lbs though I'm not sure how much he'll end up playing. It seems McCall is going to be at RB pretty much exclusively and will "play a lot" this season. I'm all for that. Depth at RB is pretty weak and Hill / Gill / Saunders will eat up most of the time at H. In other news Justin Hilliard has suffered an Achilles injury and will almost assuredly miss the season. Super unfortunate, even though the possibility of him ever starting had likely come and gone. He was a beast on special teams. Everyone remember 10 star Wednesday a few years back when Cornell and Hilliard both committed on the same day? Yeah... this is why I always keep expectations low for guys that have yet to play a down of Buckeye football. Also, Craig Young will be playing LB.