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Greg C.

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  1. I was just suggesting that the two players are pretty similar in terms of impact. I would say that Hawk, like Martinez, was an above average player but not elite. My memory of Hawk's rookie year differs from yours. I seem to recall that he was quite good but did not make as many big plays as expected. This was explained by his role on the defense, having to stay home instead of freelancing. And while the switch to a 3-4 defense did not do him any favors, his numbers during the first two years of being a 3-4 inside linebacker were pretty similar to his numbers during his first three years. So I think it was more a case of him simply declining with age a little faster than expected.
  2. Me too. He looked musclebound and stiff out there.
  3. Josh Jones wants to be traded

    I think the real shift in his future had already happened when they signed Amos. Jones was never going to be a free safety playing in tandem with Amos.
  4. My own pet theory is that he was a workout warrior in college and developed his body to the level of a pro player. He was a man among boys. But when he got to the pros, he was not able to develop his body any further. He had already maxed out his potential. So he got passed up by other players who had more natural talent but had not fully developed their bodies in college. Not that I saw it coming. I thought he was almost a shoo-in to be a star in the NFL.
  5. Quick stat comparison of Hawk's first three seasons and Martinez's: Hawk: 3 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles, 7.5 sacks, 15 tackles for loss, 14 QB hits Martinez: 2 interceptions, 1 forced fumble, 7 sacks, 24 tackles for loss, 9 QB hits
  6. MrBobGray's Terrible Film Review - Josh Jones

    My point was not that he should be cut, which is why I wrote THIS in my original post: "I would like to see him kept around as an S/LB hybrid, but if he doesn't want to do it, I guess he just needs a fresh start somewhere else. As much as I hate to see it, sometimes it is possible for a player to pout his way out of a contract." I thought you were saying that draft position has nothing to do with how satisfied a team (and its fans) should be with a player. Is that not what you meant?
  7. MrBobGray's Terrible Film Review - Josh Jones

    How can it not be relevant that he's a second round pick? His pay is based on where he was picked, and he's not contributing what you would expect from a second round pick. Also, Jones specifically mentioned being a second round pick as the reason he is unhappy about not getting more playing time. If he was a street free agent or even a late round pick, it's likely that both he and the team would be happy with his role. I agree that he has little or no trade value. The best we could hope for would be a Randall/Kizer type trade, involving two players who do not fit in on their teams, but on a lower level.
  8. Draft strategy musing

    If another team wanted that player, they would've already called you, looking to trade up to your position. In that case, you go ahead and trade down. But if nobody calls with a decent offer to trade up into your spot, and you then go ahead and draft a player who you don't really want, you run a high risk of getting stuck with that player and missing out on one who would've been a better fit for your team. The Eli Manning situation was an unusual one, and I think the Chargers and Giants agreed to it ahead of time, if I'm not mistaken.
  9. Davante Adams Appreciation Thread

    The bigger issue is that Davis was a key player on two Super Bowl winning teams, while Sharpe did not win any. If their situations were reversed, Sharpe would be in the Hall of Fame and Davis would not be in.
  10. MrBobGray's Terrible Film Review - Josh Jones

    Thanks for all that. The fact that Jones was a second round draft pick is a big factor here. Jones himself mentioned it when voicing his displeasure about playing time, and it is just as important from the team's (or fan's) perspective. You expect more than this out of a second round pick. Safety is often a position that takes a few years for a player to figure out (I remember slow starts for Darren Sharper and Nick Collins, both second round picks who turned out to be very good), but Jones doesn't appear to be nearly as far along as they were at this point. I would like to see him kept around as an S/LB hybrid, but if he doesn't want to do it, I guess he just needs a fresh start somewhere else. As much as I hate to see it, sometimes it is possible for a player to pout his way out of a contract.
  11. Random Packer News & Notes

    I think Allison and St. Brown are virtual locks, along with Adams and Valdes-Scantling of course, and Kumerow probably makes it too. That's five. If they keep six WRs, I think Moore is the odd man out, based on his poor performance and lack of playing time last year. If he turns it around in the preseason, he could make things really interesting, though. Davis could also be the odd man out, but I think he's less likely to be cut than Moore because he has carved out a role on special teams. He's the only real return man they've had for the past several years, and he's a decent gunner too.
  12. Ted Thompson battling autonomic disorder

    I wonder why Murphy and Thompson did not say right from the beginning that Thompson had stepped down willingly? They made it look like he got fired. I wouldn't necessarily expect Thompson to disclose his diagnosis at that point, but it would have looked better for him and the whole organization if his demotion had been presented to the public as a retirement. So I have to wonder if he really did step down willingly. Either way of course, it's sad that he has a serious health problem. He's always been an honorable guy, and he did great things for the Packers.
  13. Random Packer News & Notes

    That's about where I'm at with it too. I thought Murphy should've fired McCarthy and hired Wolf or Gutekunst and given them full control, letting them hire their own coach. But I don't think the current structure is necessarily bad. The writers at packersnews always mention that having a GM with full control has worked better for the Packers, but they don't talk much about success that other organizations have had with this kind of setup. (I think the Steelers are one example.) I thought Silversten misrepresented the thing about "silos." As I recall, that was Murphy's term for how things had gotten bad under Thompson because people in the organization were not talking to each other enough. There were groups of people who were isolated from each other. The new structure is designed to eliminate that problem by having the three main guys all report to Murphy. But that problem could have also been solved by hiring a GM who was capable of keeping tabs on everyone under his watch--something that Ted Thompson was no longer able to do. You can never be sure about the truth in these kinds of articles, but the two things that concern me most are the report that Murphy wanted to hire Russ Ball as GM (which I've heard elsewhere) and the report that the front office let a really good special teams coach get away by failing to immediately offer him the pay he was looking for--which turned out to be the same amount he ended up making anyway. For now, I will say that I feel better going into this season than I did going into last season. McCarthy needed to go. But we'll see how it all plays out over the next few years.
  14. Random Packer News & Notes

    Interesting article by Tom Silverstein today about the Packers management structure. He raises some legitimate concerns: https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/05/09/silverstein-critics-see-cracks-green-bay-packers-new-management-structure/1142267001/
  15. 2019 Draft Thoughts

    I think they are being quiet in the one clip mainly because he is talking on the phone and needs to be able to hear. The notion of the entire family fake cheering seems far-fetched. I would be willing to believe that having him go to a cold weather city that's far away (he's a New Jersey boy) may be less exciting for his family than some other options, but I still think it was a great moment for all of them to hear his name called.