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  1. Russell Wilson To Join Yankees' Training Camp!

    Are he two sports stars only football players? Because Michael Jordan did it, I'm just sayin'...
  2. Offseason Trade Targets

    By the way, this idea that first year receivers struggle being productive for the Patriots is not supported by statistics. Many players in their first season during Belichick's tenure have broken out at receiver. 2000, Troy Brown is 29 years old and posts 944 yards/4 touchdowns. Previously he was a pigeon holed as a special teams player and middling receiver at best. Brown's previous season high in receiving prior to his first year under Belichick? 1997 when he was 26 years old playing for first time NFL head coach Pete Carroll, 607 yards/6 touchdowns. Troy Brown's second year under Belichick? Pro Bowl selection, 1199 yards/5 touchdowns and career year at 30 years old with a rookie season Tom Brady at quarterback. Also in his first season playing under Bill Belichick was the late Terry Glenn who posted 963 yards/6 touchdowns. It was Glenn's third most productive season from the time he was drafted until nine years into his career when he was rejuvenated at age 31 with the Cowboys. Additional first year receivers with the Patriots under head coach Bill Belichick: 2001: David Patten, 749 yards/4 touchdowns, 28 years old-6 year NFL veteran-career season at the time. Went on to have to have the most productive season of his career the following year in 2002. 2002: Deion Branch, rookie, 489 yards/2 touchdowns in only 7 starts/13 games active. Branch's second season in only 12 starts, 803 yards/3 touchdowns. David Givens didn't start until his second season. By 2004 after 17 starts at age 24, Givens accumulated 1476 yards/10 touchdowns. 2003 & 2004: no new starters 2005: Tim Dwight, one season, one start, fourth on the receiver depth chart on an offense with Ben Watson, Daniel Graham, Kevin Faulk, Patrick Pass and Corey Dillon running the ball. 332 yards/3 touchdowns/17.5 yards per catch. For comparison, Ben Watson in his second season in 9 starts had 441 yards/4 touchdowns and Troy Brown in his sixth season under Belichick had 466 yards/2 touchdowns/11.9 YPR in 3 starts. 2006: Reche Caldwell, 760 yards/4 touchdowns 14 starts, first and last season with Patriots. Previous four seasons only had 14 career starts combined for 950 yards/7 touchdowns all with the Chargers. This where is gets good. Remember these are only the people in their first season. 2007: Randy Moss, 1493 yards/NFL record 23 touchdowns. Wes Welker, 1175 yards, 26 years old, 8 touchdowns. Donte Stallworth, 697 yards/3 touchdowns. 9 starts. Jabar Gaffney, 449 yards/5 touchdowns. 7 starts. 2008: no new starters 2009: Julian Edelman, rookie college quarterback converted to receiver, 7 starts in only 11 games played on a depth chart with Wes Welker, Randy Moss, and beating out long tenured veteran wide receivers Sam Aiken and Joey Galloway through the course of training camp and the entire season. 359 yards/1 touchdown. 2010: Deion Branch first year back is second on the team with 706 yards/5 touchdowns in only 9 starts. You also had rookie tight ends Rob Gronkowski and the late Aaron Hernandez contribute a lot as receivers, (both over 500 yards/6 touchdowns, neither started more than 11 games). Brandon Tate misses nearly entire rookie season in 2009, starts 10 games when healthy and manages to post 432 yards/3 touchdowns. 2011: Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Deion Branch all return as starters. Chad Johnson is signed and starts in 3 games, 271 yards/1 touchdown. 2012: Brandon Lloyd, 911 yards/4 touchdowns. (14 games of career played with Josh McDaniels in Denver prior to NE, Lloyd posted 1565 yards/11 touchdowns. Two highest producing years of his career where in his first seasons starting in McDaniels offense's). 2013: Danny Amendola, 633 yards/2 touchdowns in 12 games/6 starts. Kenbrell Thompkins, rookie undrafted free agent signing, 466 yards/4 touchdowns. 12 games/8 starts. Aaron Dobson, rookie third round draft pick, 519 yards/4 touchdowns. 12 games/9 starts. *Julian Edelman, first season starting at least half a season, 1056 yards/6 touchdowns. 2014: Brandon LaFell, 953 yards/7 touchdowns. In four seasons with Carolina since being drafted his average was 600 yards a season. LaFell's two seasons with the Panthers prior to signing with the Patriots at 27 years old, 12 and 16 games started. With the Patriots his first season he started 13 games. 2015: no new starters 2016: Chris Hogan, 680 yards/4 touchdowns. 15 games/14 starts. Malcolm Mitchell, rookie, 401 yards/4 touchdowns. 14 games/6 starts. 2017: Brandin Cooks, 1082 yards/6 touchdowns. Actually down in yards and touchdowns for the second consecutive season of his career. 2015, second year with Saints: 13 starts. 2016: 12 starts. 2017: 15 starts. Bad trend. Never the less, it was a productive first season in New England for yet another first year receiver. The average mid tier (salary cap) receiver the Patriots start at least 7 games in their first season with the team is (not including outlier Randy Moss's '07 or even Brandon Lloyd's '12): 10,539 yards/67 touchdowns/15 players 4 out of 15 are rookies (Branch, Thompkins, Dobson, Mitchell) 4 out of remaining 11 were starters for a previous team (Glenn, Stallworth, LaFell, Cooks) The remaining 7 players did not start for their previous teams (Brown, Patten, Caldwell, Welker, Gaffney, Amendola, Hogan) This group averaged 703 yards and 4.5 touchdowns in their first season with the Patriots. Again, that's not counting Randy Moss or Brandon Lloyd in their first seasons, although there really is no reason not to add in Moss's numbers. If you average it all out just adding Moss's 2007 season in there then the average first year starting wide receiver with the New England Patriots gets 752 yards and 6 touchdowns. Put Lloyd's first season in there and the true average is 761 yards and 5.5 touchdowns.
  3. Rank The Top 6 QB's by Traits

  4. NFL Draft Targets?

    Leighton Vander Esch should definitely be a target. Reminds me of Tedy Bruschi a little. Jaire Alexander is a lot like Malcolm Butler/Marcus Peters IMO. Stud cornerback who plays the inside well, baits the pass, protects against the long ball, has good size, and plays with a tenacity that is infectious to his teammates. Darius Leonard isn't a bad third round pick either, could develop into a solid linebacker with proper coaching and playing time.
  5. Lamar Jackson to the Patriots.
  6. Consensus Mock - 14. Green Bay Packers

    Derwin James because value, rushes passer a lot, plays in the secondary, Ted Thompson isn't paying Burrnett the market value some other team will give. Second pick was Maurice Hurst but Harold Landry isn't too shabby.
  7. Best Young Cores

    I would've picked Lakers before they traded away Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance Jr. edit: right now everyone of these guys are healthy so I'd go Embiid/Simmons/Saric > Jokic/Harris/Murray > Irving/Tatum/Brown. The highest ceiling to me is for Brown and Tatum though because they haven't even reached it yet whereas we've seen the all star level of the rest except for maybe Gary Harris.
  8. Offseason Trade Targets

    Let me start by getting something out of the way because this run of posts by different people recently has gotten off course. Albert Wilson alone wouldn't compensate for a hypothetical Cooks departure. Wherever that notion came from, it's wrong and doesn't represent my opinion on the matter. This whole thing evolved from someone taking exception to my ideal version of what the Patriots mock roster/depth chart would be, taking into account the actual salary cap. Albert Wilson's name was included in my mock 53-man roster. He was just one of the players who I thought could be signed to add depth on offense, specifically at receiver. It was then discussed/brought-up/suggested/whatever, that the best value isn't to just let Cooks walk this year, but to trade him for a first or second round pick. Why a hypothetical trade instead of his $8 million option and then a contract extension? Ideally, I don't think the Patriots would re-sign a receiver to a huge annual cap figure. Brandin Cooks was just acquired at a major cost a year ago so in his case it makes all the sense in the world to expect his option to be picked up. Otherwise, it's a colossal failure of asset management and investment by the Pats. Historically, the Patriots have tried to move on from players that demand big money at the receiver position when their contract is up. The Patriots will be sly and buy low to avoid paying market value which is smart but then sell as soon as their leverage runs out; they have rarely paid the receiver position even to those who've earned it. Under Bill Belichick starting in 2001, Terry Glenn (27, Packers), David Patten (30, Redskins), David Givens (25, Titans), Deion Branch (26, Seahawks), Jabar Gaffney (28, Redskins), Donte Stallworth (27, Browns), Randy Moss (32, Titans/Vikings), Wes Welker eventually (31, Broncos), Brandon Lloyd (31, career put on hold then signed with 49ers), Brandon LaFell (29, Bengals). Randy Moss was extended after his record breaking 23 touchdown season in 2007 when he would have been a free agent at age 30, but he got traded before his three year extension finished in 2010. Wes Welker was acquired as an unknown commodity at age 26 taking less money throughout his prime as part of a 5 year restricted free agent deal before being franchised and then allowed to walk. So ideally, in my opinion, the Pats would only follow this pattern and try to maximize the value of Cooks either this year or next. The value I see would be to pick up his option this year then trade him next year or just let him walk in 2019 and get a compensatory third round pick in 2020 when who knows if Brady or Belichick are still active. To me however, an even greater return in trade compensation could be to trade Cooks now depending on what or who is available for trade. I think either this year or next there could be a huge free agent signing/player trade with another team and the Patriots. If it isn't in 2018 then you stick with Cooks for the year which is fine but not what I had imagined in my original mock off-season. As a side, I happen to believe Wilson would succeed in the Patriots offense because he can run from the slot, get YAC, split out wide and deliver on all levels of the field. That's where I believe this whole discussion regarding the validity of having "mid-tier free agents" producing equally to Cooks arose from. Albert Wilson, under no recommendation by me, would be brought in to "be" Brandin Cooks, replace Brandin Cooks by himself, or replicate Brandon Cooks stats in any point in time that he'd hypothetically be signed with the Patriots. These posts that have been made to show that Aaron Dobson, Reche Caldwell, Kenbrell Thompkins, and the majority of mid-tier level FA receivers who collectively won't grasp playbooks or build chemistry with Tom Brady are not necessary to convince me that Cooks is a superior athlete with an elite level of production. Those are facts not worth hashing out as far as I'm concerned so congratulations on being able to identify those cheap alternatives and trying to essentially blame them for either single-handedly losing games for the Patriots in years gone by or being unable to win with the Patriots.
  9. Just to clarify, what I disagree with is the comparison of Darnold and Luck, not with your evaluations. I'm in the same boat as you regarding Darnold as a prospect. Probably shouldn't sit behind a veteran too long but not bad to have a plan in place.
  10. Luck is and was overrated but to me still a significantly safer prospect than Darnold. I'm just saying that the comparison the original post made between the two I could see in certain traits but overall, no I disagree.
  11. 2018 NFL Free Agency and Draft 2.0

    I was trying to account for the inflated cap over the years, Sportrac's evaluation, and took into account Robinson's age and everything he has meant to the franchise as a leader since he was acquired.
  12. 2018 NFL Free Agency and Draft 2.0

    No income tax in Houston? Or all of Texas? Thanks for the insight into thr Texans. I will be more interested now to see what happens with them.
  13. Offseason Trade Targets

    You may not like my languge in describing Cooks but I did say he is worth trading for a first or second round pick which you all but ignored in your post. Obviously it doesn't make sense to trade Vooks away and then draft another receiver with the high pick but in my opinion it didn't make sense last year when they originally traded for Cooks. That's what this all comes back to for me. It was a dumb investment and yes, now you're invested in a guy who I'm not trashing for anything besides his jumpball and YAC. Now he's concussed on top of it. The upside is huge with Cooks but any mid tier reciever could put up a minimum of 800 yards and 5 touchdowns in 16 games with the Patriots offense. So, looking at extending Cooks for $14 million a year or whatever he'll cost versus letting him walk and adding a new piece to the offense, be it LeVeon Bell or a difference maker at another position, I'm more interested in that.
  14. Consensus Mock - 12. Cincinnati Bengals

    I went Connor Williams one and Josh Allen two. Mie McGlinchney makes sense to me with this pick too.
  15. TCMD - Patriots War Room

    Beautiful. I hope that's how it happens in March when Bell feels slighted by the Steelers trying to franchise him a second consecutive year and he threatens to retire again.
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