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  1. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    I still think you're not grasping what I saying, and you're basing my comments on this draft, maybe? So if we don't use #17, we move all the way to #62? What about #18, 19 etc...? There a lot of value there. The draft is all about "maybe". If #62, 63, and 64 are all hell bent on a tackle, and we're not, trade down to #63 and get some additional picks. BTW, me moved UP in the draft to get the same guy that's cost us the final play in Minnesota. And frankly, he's been a standard contributor.
  2. I guess I'm just surprised that the Saints actually inked someone with character issues, or at least "potentially known" character issues. They don't typically go that route. Anyway, hopefully he's clean and plays well. Otherwise, this little thread will be his 10 seconds of fame.
  3. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    How many "ifs" were just used? I think we have a disconnect here. You're taking this as me saying it doesn't work. That's not at all what I'm saying, or you're simply reading a small portion of what I'm saying. Ah, so by your calculations, it has everything to do with where you pick, and not who you pick, or your scouting department, coaching staff, GM etc... Pretty poor argument here, Raves. You're better than this one.
  4. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    Sammy mentioned Kamara. We traded UP to get him in the 3rd, yet that was a leveraged pick. Here's the deal, our 2017 draft was our best...probably ever. Several of our picks were spots we acquired via the Cooks trade to New England. We actually won that chess match, and I'd love to see that more!!! Follow the 2016-2017 model, it worked!! And just like the run (LOL), when it's working, we abandon it.
  5. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    Yup! If you hold the #1 pick, you don't actually have to use it, right? So, let's just say we did hold that pick and decided we didn't want the #1 player, rather stockpile for other positions. Well, let's look at the most recent example. The 2016 draft, the Rams traded for the No. 1 pick, plus a fourth- and sixth- round pick from the Titans who received the 15th overall pick in the first round and the Rams' two second-round picks and a third-round pick. Tennessee also received the Rams' first- and third-round picks in the 2017 draft. The following year, the Titans used that Rams pick to trade UP in the draft to get their man. They leveraged wisely. So, Rams get their QB and 2 picks - and Give up 6 picks, including their following year's 1st round pick. So, a net loss of 3 total picks, yet the placement of those picks is huge. Rams Now, the Rams were smart during the rest of the draft and did some trading back to gain additional picks. The Saints rarely do that. The Titans used their bounty to trade up, which was a wash, basically. The Saints rarely do that.
  6. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    Why is it so absurd to want the absolute best? Why shouldn't anyone strive to be doing things the way the Patriots do it? We've both been lucky enough to have HOF QB's, and in that same time frame they've got 7 SuperBowl appearances to our 1. Insanity = doing the same thing expecting different results.
  7. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    See response above. I think you guys feel that I'm disappointed with our picks. I'm not. I'm disappointed in the trend of trading up, always. I feel better about our team than I have in a long time, AND, I feel it could have been better with an additional 2-5 picks, rather than leveraging 2-5 picks. I guess I'm just conservative. I don't like debt, and leveraging draft picks is debt. Pushing the cap to the limit, I love! If you've got it, and there's a limit, spend it and get great! But spending more than you should on a finite source like a draft pick, that just stinks.
  8. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    I feel GREAT about them. They also could have been achieved with a trade down, that's all I'm saying. I haven't said we lost out on people, I'm just pointing out the trend of always trading up, rather than down, ever. Unless they're the #1 pick, there's room to trade down to get your man.
  9. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    Okay, Davenport may be or may not be worth 2 1st round picks, time will tell. The speculation of this year's 2nd rounder (and next year's) is also a big maybe. So, how about the 15 trade ups? All I'm saying, guys, is we continually trade up and end up with some good guys, yet have 1 Championship in the same period we've been trading up. I can name another team who continually trades down, uses used players, and wins Championships left & right. I kinda figured it was an obvious issue. Defend it however you'd like.
  10. After 2 interviews, I'd hope the Saints have a feel of whether this is a jealous witch hunt, or plausible. With a guarantee like that, they must know something the main stream doesn't know. I'd also like to think this contract has an "out" for such a thing. Guaranteed "if" type language.
  11. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    I appreciate that, and I agree that IF we look at this year ONLY, you're right. However, IF we'd have traded back (at some point(s)) don't you think that perhaps we'd have been in the position to stay put, or leverage less? As it is, moving up those 12 spots this season has cost us our 2nd round pick of next season. That's HUGE!!! We're in that position in part due to trading UP in the last draft for Davenport (traded this draft's 1st round away). Then again, we traded UP 14 spots in the 4th. It seems perpetual to me, at this point. And I agree, hindsight is 20/20, yet the trend is consistent. We both know the draft is a craps shoot. We hear "we landed our guy" and that doesn't fly with me. So, are we to think that we'd have traded out of the 1st to a high 2nd to land the same guy. Heck no!! There was someone else in that spot, and there would be another guy in the spot we traded out of in the event "our guy" was gone 12 picks later. The draft is truly hit & miss. It kind of makes me worry about our top 70, but I've been fairly impressed with our last 2 drafts under Ireland, so I'll sit back and try to be optimistic. Per your "camp bodies" comment, I agree 100%
  12. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    The Payton/Loomis regime has traded UP 17 times including the two trades this draft. That's a bunch.
  13. Things you like about your least favorite teams

    The way they lose.
  14. 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

    As I rarely pay attention to the draft, mostly because it's all just a guessing game on all levels, I am again disappointed that the brass traded UP again, not once, but twice. When was the last time we traded down and stockpiled picks. Think about it, we grabbed Gardner-Johnson in the 4th, and he was projected as a 1st-2nd rounder, and we waited until the 4th to get him. Could have traded down earlier (at some point) to trade down again later to get him earlier and come out ahead. I think other teams have our MO at this point and just sit back and wait for a call from the Saints. "Hey, Ron! We're 12 spots in front of the Saints. Man the phones!!!"
  15. Normally, I'd agree with you 100%; however, I think the team knows this is likely Brees last year for the Saints as a QB. Jordan's physical peak is right now, and we have a load of talent that had a bit of a slump last year (secondary) and should be looking at the whole picture in the "we dropped off, and still made it to the (near) top, so let's focus" type of light. I think/hope that these conditions will overcome the 2 heartbreaking losses from previous years. Oh, and somebody go lift the dang curse that was placed on the Saints. Crazy Voodoo...Hoodoo.......
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