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  1. RB Frank Gore: 4th all-time rusher

    Doesn't belong in the HOF, but then again, neither do Curtis Martin or Franco Harris. Was very good, but never great. And that's still way better than Martin and especially Harris, who truly wasn't even an NFL caliber RB.
  2. Better Player? Randy Moss or Marshall Faulk

    Well, the passing game will always be potentially much more significant to an offense than a running game. Sure, Faulk also had rare receiving ability for a running back, but when you factor in all the touches and targets, there's just no way the yards per attempt on a play intended for Faulk, run and/or pass, is anywhere near the yards per attempt for an elite wide receiver. I view the running game as a side dish to the entree that is the passing game. At least in the last 30, 35 years. You do it to open up the passing game, but it's the passing game that is going to drive any great offense.
  3. Week 1 Overreactions

    Nathan Peterman may be the worst QB to ever play professional football when you consider the era. He is unfathomably bad.
  4. Lawrence Taylor. Convert to a 3-4 and Saleh hits the bricks. If it's between prime Lawrence Taylor and Saleh, that's an easy one.
  5. Are Sacks overrated?

    Clayborn did it all in the same game, though. That's a separate matter.
  6. Are Sacks overrated?

    Sacks are so highly correlated with pressures that it's hardly worth differentiating between the two. If a guy gets 20 sacks, you can be pretty sure he's also among the leaders in hurries.
  7. Better Wide Receiver? Cris Carter or Michael Irvin

    Yeah, it isn't the same because Carter wasn't as good a wide receiver. Championships have nothing to do with it. Put Calvin Johnson there and they're still pulling in 3 rings, despite the fact that Johnson was part of an 0-16 Lions team. Put Irvin on the 2008 Lions and they're still 0-16. Yeah, Carter played with better complimentary receivers. That's not nearly as important as playing with a better QB, RB, line, and way better defense.
  8. Better Wide Receiver? Cris Carter or Michael Irvin

    What I'm saying is using championships as an argument/measurement for an individual player's greatness is stupid. I'm not saying he wasn't great. I'm saying it's stupid to rave about his leadership, blah blah blah, in the context of his teams winning Super Bowls. Put Cris Carter on the Cowboys in Irvin's place, they might not win any of those Super Bowls, but it would be because Irvin was the better receiver, and Aikman + Smith + Irvin + line + defense, etc., features a better collection of football players than Aikman + Smith + Carter + line + defense. But put Calvin Johnson on those Cowboys in Irvin's place instead of Carter? I'd be willing to bet they still win those 3 Super Bowls. Super Bowl wins they were a part of have nothing to do with why Irvin of the Cowboys was better than Carter of the Vikings. It's the fact that Carter was more limited going one-on-one with corners.
  9. Montana on Brady's longevity

    No, I said it is the 3-4 year warning based on the actual data. Where on earth did you get the data that QBs typically peak around 25-26? That's just laughably false. Like, just take a look at basically any QB's numbers and you'll see that it just isn't true. What I am trying to say is that QB is the position where a player is expected to have the most longevity (aside from kicker). I would think just about every football fan would know this. The argument that it was solely about Walsh's concern over Montana's health breaks down when you see how he handled the 87-88 Vikings playoff game and subsequent 1988 season. And if Young had taken over the job at that point, and the 49ers had dealt Montana...you can only imagine how that would have completely changed his legacy. He likely wouldn't have even made the Hall of Fame. A player getting injured once or twice doesn't mean he's "starting to break down." Drew Brees tore his labrum at age 26. Roethlisberger was prone to injury from the start. McNabb broke his ankle at 26, etc. The fact is, QBs - whether they suffered injuries or not - consistently are at peak level well into their 30s. You can see this by looking at their actual statistics. Whether you're talking Brady, Manning, and Brees, or Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson, the numbers speak for themselves. Yes, to Walsh, Montana was "good enough." He got the job done at a fairly high level. But Walsh didn't see him as, "I really hit the jackpot here." And that's what you would expect of a head coach if he had an "arguably greatest of all-time" on his roster. The Rams certainly think the hit the jackpot on Aaron Donald, whether he's better than the likes of Randy White or not. The Steelers certainly think Antonio Brown is pretty special, and the Giants think of the same of Odell Beckham Jr, even though he got hurt last year. And the Packers think Aaron Rodgers is the franchise, even though he got hurt last year. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Flacco, but they obviously don't have the same view of him.
  10. Montana on Brady's longevity

    And what does "starting to break down" mean, exactly? You may as well say they're starting to break down the moment they're conceived. Marino was not breaking down at 30. Had one of the best years of his career at 33. Was still very good at 34. Gabriel didn't start declining until 34. If 30 is the "3-4 year warning," you don't trade for somebody who has been in the game a few years. You draft somebody and let him learn behind the 30 year old. 30 is only the wall for RBs and CBs. Every other position, 30 is still prime age. And QB, aside from kicker, would be the one where you would expect them to be closest to peak effectiveness (or even more effective than before) the furthest into their 30s. The reason for this is the performance is so much more about the mental and technical aspects. Because he was good enough. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Ravens waited a long time before starting to think about replacing Flacco, too. Doesn't mean anyone there thinks he's a historic great. I doubt the NY Giants think Eli Manning is a historic great, but they have won 2 Super Bowls with him and have stayed with him because of that. But when **** started to hit the fan with their play last year, they didn't give them the benefit of a doubt the way the Packers constantly did with Favre, or the Dolphins did with Marino. The Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson and the Giants benched Manning last year.
  11. Montana on Brady's longevity

    No, that's not reasonable at all. That's absolutely ridiculous. Great QBs who are healthy and having poor games don't get pulled from a playoff game when the game is still winnable. Certainly not when their head coach thinks they're one of the greatest of all-time. Can you find any example of that happening to another great QB? 31 is not old for a QB. Never has been, never will be. Trying to claim it is is just ludicrous. Virtually every notable QB you can name played WAY beyond 31. I listed a ton of them on another page in this very thread. Hell, for some, their careers didn't even take off until they hit 31 or so. Montana himself went on to play through the 1994 season, despite his injuries. You must have missed the fact that there was a QB controversy on the 49ers all throughout the 1988 season. Actions speak louder than words, and Walsh chose to pull Montana down 27-10 when they were about to get the ball on the Vikings' 35 yard line with 6:29 left to play in the 3rd quarter of a home divisional playoff game. He followed this up by putting the starting QB position up for grabs throughout the 1988 season. And there's no injury excuse here, as Montana had already proven he was fine when he played the 1987 season. And if QBs were breaking down at 30 back then, why did he trade for Steve Young, who was already 26? Trading for a QB who already had 3 years of experience (including USFL) is the move of someone looking to make a change in the near future. Otherwise, he would have just drafted somebody with a higher pick and let him learn for a few years. Drafted QBs: Dan Hartwig (1980), Joe Adams (1981), Bryan Clark (1982), Barry, whom you listed, and John Paye (1987). Did Walsh like Montana while he was coaching him? Sure. Did he think he was coaching some historic great? Hell no. To Walsh, a lot of quarterbacks could have a ton of success in his system. Montana was just one of them. And I can assure you, if you were to ask any NFL scout at the time, they would not rate Montana as highly as they rated Marino or Elway.
  12. Montana on Brady's longevity

    If Bill Walsh was so aware of how "great" Montana was, why did he pull him down 17 with 6:29 left in the 3rd quarter of the 1987-88 playoff game vs. the Vikings (and about to get the ball on the Vikings' 35 yard line)? Here Montana is coming off the second best season of his career, statistically-speaking (although he padded it slightly from the fact he crossed over for a couple of the replacement games), and they're in what is still a winnable game...and he gets pulled. Tell me another great quarterback that has happened to. Can you imagine that happening to Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers? Different era, you say? Fine. How about Dan Marino? In his final game, it took until they were down 47-7 in the 3rd quarter for him to be pulled. The Packers didn't pull Favre while they were still in a game no matter how badly he was performing. Steve Young threw a fit on the sidelines and tried to get into a fist fight with George Seifert when he was pulled vs. the Eagles in 1994...but they were down 33-8 late in the 3rd. Dan Fouts finished his terrible playoff games. And keep in mind, Bill Walsh thought about resigning as 49ers head coach basically every year after the 1982 season because of how strained his relationship was with DeBartolo. He was, as Bill Parcells once said of himself, a "yellow bananas" sort of guy, as opposed to "green bananas." When he got a player, it was because he thought the guy could help him immediately. He wasn't a fan of "projects." When John Taylor didn't know the offense in camp in 1986, he immediately tried to shop him around the league before they just put him on IR. When he traded for Steve Young, it was because he was looking to replace Joe Montana in the very near future. And as raw as Young was at the time, he still didn't think the margins between them were that great.
  13. What would you offer for Khalil Mack?

    Putting all your eggs in one basket is rarely a good idea.
  14. Million Dollar Head, Ten Cent Arm

    Peyton Manning.