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Massive is an understatement. Rivers is an astronomical upgrade.

Must see TV. Chargers might have too much of a talented cast, even for an HBO production.

I want to say Myles. But everytime ive watched them, TJ jumps out on tape and Myles really doesn't. Plus TJ seems to have an endless motor and is a smarter player. I'm going Watt here.

I want to expand on how bad qbr is. Just from my team last year. You can do this for every qb, every year. These aren't anaomlies. Rivers vs Det 293 yds, 0 tds, 1 int (game losing int) 58.3% comp 8.1 ypa (loss) had a higher qbr than vs Indy which was a OT win 333 yds, 3 tds 1 ints 73.5% and 9.8 ypa. The difference vs Indy he was sacked 4 times vs 1 time vs Det. They weighted that heavy on sacks and blame distribution (WHICH IS SUBJECTIVE). This stat is garbage. I'm open to changing my opinion. But no one has made a single compelling argument rather than typing random stuff that isnt even true and isnt even being supported by ESPN's own admission.

Youre right its not difficult, so why are you struggling? Charlies Batch had 183 yds 0 tds and 2 ints and finished with like a 99.9 qbr 🤣🤣🤣. Wrong. Qbs on winning teams get high qbrs, subjectively due to the outcome and not their contribution (atleast not in true traditional passing contributions). Prove me wrong. Most people agree its a bad stat. Result support that. Again it has the widest disparity from all other qb stats.... for a reason.

You're right, QBR is a good accurate stat..... that you'll never reference when rating seasonal qb performances.. but, yup you are right. In the spirit of social distancing, imma have to walk away. (ps you're wrong, i am right)

So..... then there is no formula. And how do you measure "how likely" a probability is with numbers. How do you measure who gets credit for a 30 yd pass. How do you distribute credit for whos fault a fumble is; oline or qb, or a sack. They give more credit for a 5 yd run in the 4th qtr for a td from a qb than a 45 yd air pass for 1st down in the 1st qtr. This..... is..... wait for it. SUBJECTIVE. Id love to see the formula that does that 🤣 and i swear if anyone on here tells me the formula does that im rioting. Nope, you are. I dont think you read it. The entire post reads you saying "nope you are wrong" but ignoring their own words, not providing any evidence of a numeric based formula, etc. Plain and simple, the stat sucks and should be the last stat used for judging qbs. When it's skip bayless go to stat, ya know it sucks.

Dont get me started on 2018. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/passing.htm Mitch, Ben and Jameis over Rivers, Ryan and Russell. Haha yeah, ok. Too many occurences to be statistical anomalies. Bad stat is a bad stat.

So what is the formula? Straight from ESPN. ESPN’s Total Quarterback Rating (Total QBR), which was released in 2011, has never claimed to be perfect, but unlike other measures of quarterback performance, it incorporates all of a quarterback’s contributions to winning, including how he impacts the game on passes, rushes, turnovers and penalties. Also, since QBR is built from the play level, it accounts for a team’s level of success or failure on every play to provide the proper context and then allocates credit to the quarterback and his teammate to produce a clearer measure of quarterback efficiency. that's subjective. Yes it does, i just posted it from their mouths. "it incorporates all of a quarterback’s contributions to winning, including how he impacts the game on passes, rushes, turnovers and penalties." This is the hill you want to die on, QBR? Just last year had Fitz as 8th best, most others had 19 to 20 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/passing.htm Keenum 2, Dak 4, Goff 21? In 2017. No stat, that ive ever seen for football, has a bigger disparity sprinkled all over the board. Sure for majority it aligns just about with other stats. But it by far has the biggest head scratchers and no one can explain how.... sounds like a great stat to me. Someone break it down for me. What is the formula. If your answer is you dont know, it sucks. Player 1 Carson Wentz* 2 Case Keenum 3 Tom Brady*+ 4 Dak Prescott 5 Matt Ryan 6 Alex Smith* 7 Ben Roethlisberger* 8 Matthew Stafford 9 Drew Brees* 10 Aaron Rodgers 11 Philip Rivers* 12 Russell Wilson* 13 Tyrod Taylor 14 Josh McCown 15 Blake Bortles 16 Marcus Mariota 17 Kirk Cousins 18 Jameis Winston 19 Cam Newton 20 Carson Palmer 21 Jared Goff* 22 Derek Carr* 23 Joe Flacco 24 Andy Dalton 25 Jay Cutler 26 Eli Manning 27 Brett Hundley 28 Jacoby Brissett 29 Trevor Siemian 30 C.J. Beathard 31 Mitchell Trubisky 32 DeShone Kizer Rk Player Tm Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR ▼ Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD 1 Carson Wentz* PHI 25 QB 13 13 11-2-0 265 440 60.2 3296 33 7.5 7 1.6 161 72 7.5 8.3 12.4 253.5 101.9 77.2 28 162 6.70 7.43 6.0 1 1 2 Case Keenum MIN 29 QB 15 14 11-3-0 325 481 67.6 3547 22 4.6 7 1.5 180 65 7.4 7.6 10.9 236.5 98.3 74.3 22 136 6.78 7.03 4.4 1 3 3 Tom Brady*+ NWE 40 QB 16 16 13-3-0 385 581 66.3 4577 32 5.5 8 1.4 230 64 7.9 8.4 11.9 286.1 102.8 73.2 35 201 7.10 7.56 5.7 2 2 4 Dak Prescott DAL 24 QB 16 16 9-7-0 308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5 13 2.7 162 81 6.8 6.5 10.8 207.8 86.6 69.5 32 185 6.01 5.74 6.1 0 4 5 Matt Ryan ATL 32 QB 16 16 10-6-0 342 529 64.7 4095 20 3.8 12 2.3 199 88 7.7 7.5 12.0 255.9 91.4 68.3 24 156 7.12 6.87 4.3 2 3 6 Alex Smith* KAN 33 QB 15 15 9-6-0 341 505 67.5 4042 26 5.1 5 1.0 182 79 8.0 8.6 11.9 269.5 104.7 67.0 35 207 7.10 7.65 6.5 1 3 7 Ben Roethlisberger* PIT 35 QB 15 15 12-3-0 360 561 64.2 4251 28 5.0 14 2.5 203 97 7.6 7.5 11.8 283.4 93.4 66.3 21 139 7.07 6.95 3.6 3 4 8 Matthew Stafford DET 29 QB 16 16 9-7-0 371 565 65.7 4446 29 5.1 10 1.8 210 71 7.9 8.1 12.0 277.9 99.3 65.3 47 287 6.80 7.01 7.7 1 4 9 Drew Brees* NOR 38 QB 16 16 11-5-0 386 536 72.0 4334 23 4.3 8 1.5 203 54 8.1 8.3 11.2 270.9 103.9 64.6 20 145 7.53 7.71 3.6 2 2 10 Aaron Rodgers GNB 34 qb 7 7 4-3-0 154 238 64.7 1675 16 6.7 6 2.5 86 72 7.0 7.2 10.9 239.3 97.2 64.4 22 168 5.80 5.99 8.5 2 2 11 Philip Rivers* LAC 36 QB 16 16 9-7-0 360 575 62.6 4515 28 4.9 10 1.7 217 75 7.9 8.0 12.5 282.2 96.0 64.1 18 120 7.41 7.60 3.0 2 2 12 Russell Wilson* SEA 29 QB 16 16 9-7-0 339 553 61.3 3983 34 6.1 11 2.0 189 74 7.2 7.5 11.7 248.9 95.4 61.7 43 322 6.14 6.45 7.2 2 2 13 Tyrod Taylor BUF 28 QB 15 14 8-6-0 263 420 62.6 2799 14 3.3 4 1.0 133 47 6.7 6.9 10.6 186.6 89.2 60.0 46 256 5.46 5.67 9.9 1 2 14 Josh McCown NYJ 38 QB 13 13 5-8-0 267 397 67.3 2926 18 4.5 9 2.3 137 69 7.4 7.3 11.0 225.1 94.5 60.0 39 264 6.11 6.00 8.9 1 2 15 Blake Bortles JAX 25 QB 16 16 10-6-0 315 523 60.2 3687 21 4.0 13 2.5 195 75 7.0 6.7 11.7 230.4 84.7 59.2 24 123 6.52 6.21 4.4 1 1 16 Marcus Mariota TEN 24 QB 15 15 9-6-0 281 453 62.0 3232 13 2.9 15 3.3 149 75 7.1 6.2 11.5 215.5 79.3 58.8 27 173 6.37 5.51 5.6 3 4 17 Kirk Cousins WAS 29 QB 16 16 7-9-0 347 540 64.3 4093 27 5.0 13 2.4 194 74 7.6 7.5 11.8 255.8 93.9 54.2 41 342 6.46 6.38 7.1 1 4 18 Jameis Winston TAM 23 QB 13 13 3-10-0 282 442 63.8 3504 19 4.3 11 2.5 185 70 7.9 7.7 12.4 269.5 92.2 54.0 33 207 6.94 6.70 6.9 2 2 19 Cam Newton CAR 28 QB 16 16 11-5-0 291 492 59.1 3302 22 4.5 16 3.3 167 64 6.7 6.1 11.3 206.4 80.7 53.3 35 242 5.81 5.28 6.6 1 3 20 Carson Palmer ARI 38 qb 7 7 3-4-0 164 267 61.4 1978 9 3.4 7 2.6 95 46 7.4 6.9 12.1 282.6 84.4 52.5 22 150 6.33 5.86 7.6 2 2 21 Jared Goff* LAR 23 QB 15 15 11-4-0 296 477 62.1 3804 28 5.9 7 1.5 177 94 8.0 8.5 12.9 253.6 100.5 52.1 25 172 7.24 7.72 5.0 1 1 22 Derek Carr* OAK 26 QB 15 15 6-9-0 323 515 62.7 3496 22 4.3 13 2.5 168 87 6.8 6.5 10.8 233.1 86.4 51.0 20 101 6.35 6.07 3.7 1 1 23 Joe Flacco BAL 32 QB 16 16 9-7-0 352 549 64.1 3141 18 3.3 13 2.4 163 66 5.7 5.3 8.9 196.3 80.4 49.8 27

But its subjective, look at the articles i linked. They accredit EPA subjectively based on their opinion. It's a grading system. Grading systems are typically always subjective credit being appointed to different criterias. Why can no one post a numeric formula for QBR? Because it doesnt exist. Not from anything ive seen. Regardless ill never put any credit into QBR. Ive tracked its results and its the single stat that has the lowest correlation to the other major qb stats. They discount stats in "garbage time" (what they perceive as garbage time) or credit wr's for yds or 1st downs, or punish qbs for sacks or fumbles. I dont see how they can have any type of formula that regulates that weighted credit. I might be wrong, if so, someone provide the formula. I will never change my mind based off the track record of QBR. Worst stat ive seen for QBs.

If you took qbr and put it again PR, DVOA, and PFF's grade. I'd bet that the biggest disparity was between QBR vs the others.

I dont think you read the articles. It looks at passing, rushing, fumbles, it looks at distance and down, air yards.. all of it absolutely contextually subjective, with no trace of any type of standardized baseline formula. It correlates to winning because it uses outcomes in it's grading. It says that much in the articles. Sorry fam, you're 110% wrong on this. It is a garbage stat and always has been and always will be. It doesnt correlate to actual quality of qb play.... almost at all.

Well that's the problem. There really isnt a formula. Its all subjective. It's grading based off what they watch and accrediting different scales of value to different aspects. Its much like PFF's grading. But unlike QBR, PFF grading more routinely correlates to what the mass sees when watching the qbs play. QBR, really doesnt. It's a mess.

Marino - best arm Rodgers - best play maker Peyton - best qb

But they actually have.. http://es.pn/2d7esV4 Or https://es.pn/2c8tSq0 I will never be convinced QBR is a remotely accurate or good stat. I will also never give it any credence to holding value. It's results throughout the years have justified it being the most inaccurate stat in football.