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  1. 2018 Kamakura Kamikazes - 3rd Season

    Evil Techbert wonders, "How did we miss getting this guy?"
  2. 2018 LA Bull - 5th Season

    Some housekeeping. rb Kenneth Dixon Bal to IR edge Shilique Calhoun waived signed wr Martavis Bryant Oak signed s Isaiah Johnson LAR
  3. 2018 Kamakura Kamikazes - 3rd Season

    Kamis put rb Kenneth Dixon and ls Andrew DePaola on IR and signed rb Brian Hill Atl from their PS and signed ls Trent Sleg Oak off the street. rb Joe Mixon, their only other rb, is out 2 to 4 weeks with surgery. "Don't bet on the Kamikazes this week," owner Evil Techbert said in what he called a Public Service Announcement. "There is no one to run the ball."
  4. 2018 Kamakura Kamikazes - 3rd Season

    53-Man Roster qb 8 Brandon Allen LAR 26 qb 9 Nick Foles Phi 29 qb 10 Jimmy Garoppolo SF 26 rb 30 Kenneth Dixon Bal 24 rb 28 Joe Mixon Cin 22 wr 11 Antonio Callaway Cle 21 wr 18 Josh Doctson Was 25 wr 16 Robert Foster Buf 24 wr 17 Anthony Miller Chi 23 wr 17 Vyncint Smith Hou 22 wr 12 Dede Westbrook Jax 24 te 84 Ben Braunecker Chi 24 te 80 Jake Butt Den 23 te 85 Charles Clay Buf 29 te 85 George Kittle SF 24 te 82 Logan Thomas Buf 27 ot 61 Marcus Cannon NE 30 ot 74 TJ Clemmings Oak 26 c-g 68 James Daniels Chi 20 ot 69 Desmond Harrison Cle 24 c-g 64 Eric Kush Chi 29 ot 70 Bobby Massie Chi 29 ot 68 Conor McDermott Buf 25 og 56 Quenton Nelson Ind 22 c-g 65 Cody Whitehair Chi 26 dt 99 Andrew Billings Cin 23 de 95 Myles Garrett Cle 22 dt 79 Javon Hargrave Pit 25 dt 93 DJ Jones SF 23 de 94 Dean Lowry GB 24 de 95 Roy Robertson-Harris Chi 25 de 57 Noah Spence TB 24 lb 51 Jamie Collins Cle 28 lb 56 Emmanuel Ellerbee LAC 21 lb 50 Jordan Evans Cin 23 lb 49 Shaquem Griffin Sea 23 lb 54 Kamu Grugier-Hill Phi 24 lb 48 Terrance Smith KC 25 lb 59 Danny Trevathan Chi 28 lb 48 Fred Warner SF 21 s 33 Jamal Adams NYJ 22 cb 20 Mackensie Alexander Min 24 s 29 Kentrell Brice GB 24 cb 20 Ken Crawley NO 25 s 39 Tashaun Gipson Jax 28 cb 24 Brent Grimes TB 35 cb 37 Josh Jackson GB 22 s 32 Tyrann Mathieu Hou 26 cb 31 Jalen Mills Phi 24 s 40 Brandon Wilson Cin 24 pk 1 Cody Parkey Chi 26 p 2 Matt Haack Mia 24 ls 48 Andrew DePaola Oak 31
  5. 2018 LA Bull - 5th Season

    Practice Squad: qb Kyle Allen Car te Mo Alie-Cox Ind de Aziz Sh-ittu Dal de Joe Ostman Phi s Josh Kalu Ten te Moritz Boehringer Cin Foreign IPPP (This post will vary as the news comes out.)
  6. 2018 LA Bull - 5th Season

    Bull 53 man roster announced! (We had 61 players make an initial roster, plus injured and waiver claims. This tells me we have achieved a deep team, and can identify hidden talent. It also tells me there are good players we cannot hold onto.) Bold are rookies. Underlined are new vets on the team. The 2nd number on the line is age. (Everyone is 25, it seems.) qb 11 Carson Wentz Phi 25 qb 7 Brett Hundley Sea 25 rb 26 Jay Ajayi Phi 25 rb 20 Isaiah Crowell NYJ 25 rb 20 CJ Anderson Car 27 rb 30 Kenneth Dixon Bal 24 rb 44 Mike Boone Min 23 fb 45 Roosevelt Nix-Jones Pit 26 wr 12 Allen Robinson Chi 25 wr 14 Mike Wallace Phi 32 wr 17 DJ Chark Jax 21 wr 13 Michael Gallup Dal 22 wr 83 Willie Snead Bal 25 wr 12 Travis Benjamin LAC 28 te 80 OJ Howard TB 23 te 80 Jake Butt Den 23 ot 71 La'el Collins Dal 25 ot 76 Nate Solder NYG 30 ot 63 Chad Wheeler NYG 24 og 76 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif KC 27 og 67 Quinton Spain Ten 27 og 74 James Hurst Bal 26 c 53 Mike Pouncey LAC 29 c-g 65 Greg Mancz Hou 26 c-g 73 Isaac Seumalo Phi 24 de 95 Derek Rivers NE 24 de 75 Jordan Willis Cin 23 de 90 Derek Shelby Atl 29 dt 97 Grady Jarrett Atl 25 dt 92 Leonard Williams NYJ 24 dt 71 Danny Shelton NE 25 dt 95 Jack Crawford Atl 29 dt 96 LT Walton Pit 26 olb (52) Khalil Mack Chi 27 olb 59 De'Vondre Campbell Atl 25 olb 51 Kyle Emanuel LAC 27 olb 91 Shilique Calhoun Oak 26 ilb 59 Danny Trevathan Chi 28 ilb 49 Tremaine Edmunds Buf 20 ilb 48 Terrance Smith KC 25 s 38 Adrian Amos Chi 25 s 42 Barry Church Jax 30 s 42 Morgan Burnett Pit 29 s 38 Justin Reid Hou 21 cb 22 Marcus Peters LAR 25 cb 25 Richard Sherman SF 30 cb 22 Aaron Colvin Hou 26 cb 20 Desmond King LAC 23 cb 35 Pierre Desir Ind 27 cb 20 Mackensie Alexander Min 24 pk 9 Chris Boswell Pit 27 p 4 Michael Dickson Sea 22 ds 42 Thomas Hennessy NYJ 24 Injured: rb Zach Zenner Det wr Andy Jones Det c Jake Brendel Mia (not IRL but I was able to stash him. Don't tell Roger G. Yes. Even in real life. I should be a team GM. ) lb Mike Hull Mia lb Obo Okoronkwo LAR lb Ben Heeney Hou Notable cuts: rb Roc Thomas Min rb Darrel Williams KC dt Carl Davis Cle dt Justin Zimmer Atl lb Anthony Chickillo Pit lb Emmanuel Ellerbee LAC s Isaiah Johnson LAR cb Sam Shields LAR pk Andy Lee Az All the "notable cuts" either survived to make the 1st day 53-man roster or were claimed on waivers. That translates into 9 cuts being claimed on waivers/signed immediately. To put this in perspective, the lead in the IRL NFL is 4. It definitely was tough for me to make my cuts. As always, any commentary, positive or negative or neutral, is appreciated.
  7. 2018 LA Bull - 5th Season

    BREAKING NEWS! Bull trade for and sign Khalil Mack! Bull trade 1-19, 6-19, 1-20, 3-20 and receive de Khalil Mack Chi, 2-20. (There is no conditional 5th round return pick such as in the Bears' offer.) Contract details are the same as in the actual contract. 6 year extension. $141mm. $60mm guaranteed at signing, with a total of $90mm guaranteed at later points. "We still have work ahead of us," owner Techbert said. We have negotiations coming up with some important young players like Leonard Williams and Grady Jarrett. We go in the 2019 draft with no first or second day picks. But we feel good about what we have. We just have to fit them together."
  8. 2018 LA Bull - 5th Season

    Bull vs Bears The LA Bull and the Chicago Bears have permission to discuss long term contract details with representatives of Khalil Mack. "Adding Mack would make the Bears a favorite to win their division, but would make the Bull a legitimate Super Bowl contender," said one NFL analyst.
  9. 2018 Kamakura Kamikazes - 3rd Season

    "Upload this." "This is old." "Don't care. Upload this. It's your job. "Okay.... At least it is up before all the cuts." qb 8 Brandon Allen LAR qb 5 JT Barrett NO qb 9 Nick Foles Phi qb 10 Jimmy Garoppolo SF qb 7 Cardale Jones LAC rb 30 Kenneth Dixon Bal rb 23 Brian Hill Cin fb 40 Khalid Hill Sea fb 43 Luke McNitt Atl rb 28 Joe Mixon Cin rb 35 Ryan Nall Chi rb 36 Bo Scarbrough Dal wr 16 Quincy Adeboyejo Bal wr 11 Antonio Callaway Cle wr 18 Josh Doctson Was wr 8 Robert Foster Buf wr 13 Cyril Grayson Sea wr 81 Krishawn Hogan Ind wr 87 Bug Howard Car wr 17 Andy Jones Det wr 17 Anthony Miller Chi wr 13 Braxton Miller Hou wr 82 Francis Owusu Mia wr 17 Vyncint Smith Hou wr 12 Dede Westbrook Jax te 84 Ben Braunecker Chi te 80 Jake Butt Den te 85 Charles Clay Buf te 85 George Kittle SF te 82 Logan Thomas Buf ot 51 Adam Bisnowaty Det c 64 Jake Brendel Mia ot 61 Marcus Cannon NE ol 69 TJ Clemmings Was c 68 James Daniels Chi ds 48 Andrew DePaoula Oak c 54 Anthony Fabiano Cle ot 62 Antonio Garcia NYJ ot 69 Desmond Harrison Cle og 64 Dorian Johnson Car c 64 Eric Kush Chi ot 70 Bobby Massie Chi ot 68 Conor McDermott Buf og 56 Quenton Nelson Ind og 65 Nico Siragusa Bal c 65 Cody Whitehair Chi ol 70 Bryan Witzmann KC dt 99 Andrew Billings Cin de 47 James Cowser Oak de 95 Myles Garrett Cle dt 79 Javon Hargrave Pit dt 93 Tim Jernigan Phi dt 93 DJ Jones SF de 55 JT Jones Atl de 56 Mike Love Buf de 94 Dean Lowry GB de 95 Joe Ostman Phi de 95 Roy Robertson-Harris Chi de 90 Aziz Sh-ittu Phi de 57 Noah Spence TB de 62 Brian Womac LAR lb 56 BJ Bello Cle lb 51 Jaimie Collins Cle lb 52 Emmanuel Ellerbee Atl lb 50 Jordan Evans Cin lb 49 Shaquem Griffin Sea lb 54 Kamu Grugier-Hill Phi lb 59 Alex McCalister Was lb 46 Tegray Scales LAR lb 48 Terrance Smith KC lb 59 Danny Trevathan Chi lb 48 Fred Warner SF s 33 Jamal Adams NYJ cb 20 Mackensie Alexander Min db 38 Marcelis Branch Atl s 29 Kentrell Brice GB s 40 Brandon Bryant NYJ cb 20 Ken Crawley NO s 27 Trae Elston Mia s 39 Tashaun Gipson Jax cb 24 Brent Grimes TB cb 37 Josh Jackson GB db 32 Tyrann Mathieu Hou db 33 Tarvarus McFadden SF cb 31 Jalen Mills Phi s 30 Tyvis Powell SF db 40 Brandon Wilson Cin cb 36 Daryl Worley Oak pk 1 Cody Parkey Chi pk 9 Eddy Pineiro Oak p 2 Matt Haack Mia
  10. 2018 LA Bull - 5th Season

    Breaking news. The Bull waive wr Jordan Matthews with an injury designation (hamstring) and trade a 7th round 2020 selection for wr Corey Coleman Buf. "We gain a young wide receiver with potential, and will give him a chance to compete for a job on a playoff-caliber team this year," said Techbert. One reporter remarked that Coleman seemed more fitting for what Evil Techbert looks for in a player, and asked why the Bull traded for him rather than the alternate-universe Kamikazes. "We chase talent, and let the player grasp the opportunity to develop it," Techbert said. "Coleman fits that. We also have some salary room that Evil Techbert does not. His strategy appears to be to let Garoppolo and his young talent settle itself out, and to add veteran pieces next year for a playoff push. Or he's just crazy. Who can say?"
  11. Top 10 NFL rookies that will exceed expectations?

    That's not the only way to send a message. You can showcase Ridley as an alternative to Julio without cannibalizing the tosses in Julio's direction. Accelerate your trust in him. Costs a few touches for Sanu, Hardy, Hooper, and Freeman, but no one cares. And they won't overthrow in Jones' direction anymore, which the team is prone to do.
  12. Top 10 NFL rookies that will exceed expectations?

    I dunno. I see a number of wr of similar talent in good situations as well. In addition to Miller and Callaway, there's Chark and Gallup. I expect Ridley to get more catches than most people expect, cuz the Birds are going to send Julio a message, but any of the four I named could blow up. So if you give me Ridley vs the field, I'd take the field.
  13. 2018 Kamakura Kamikazes - 3rd Season

    Kamikazes Fail To Draft Cornerback Despite having the 2nd worst record in the league, and despite entering a third round supplemental draft selection for him, the Kamakura Kamikazes fail to procure cornerback Sam Beal for the upcoming season. The New York Giants received the prized cornerback, thanks to a weighted lottery that only applies to the supplemental draft. "Wow," said team owner Evil Techbert. "A 'lottery' allows a New York team to gain a player they would not otherwise get. Like Patrick Ewing and Tom Seaver. I guess that's fair." The team is expected to sign safety Brandon Bryant of Miss St.
  14. My final take on our draft.

    Posted this on another sub-forum on Tremaine Edmunds. Hope you enjoy. https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/7911-2018-la-bull-5th-season/?do=findComment&comment=961146 My favorite line:
  15. 2018 LA Bull - 5th Season

    Draft Profiles 1. Tremaine Edmunds lb VPI Buf Preface Prior seasons of doing this, I always had a pretty darn good idea of who I was going to pick in the first round. I drafted early. I knew my needs. I knew who I liked more than the GM's ahead of me. So I could say "Carson Wentz - No Matter What" with a firm belief I would get him. I studied him a lot. I studied Goff enough, but did not spend huge amounts of time on him. I spent more of my time on the mid-round and late-round and UDFA-territory athletes. This year, I picked 15th, and had no idea who I would be likely to get. I watched a half dozen non-qb's enough to tell myself, "They are scheduled to go ahead of me and they deserve that rating and I am going to watch them enough to properly react if they fall." Edmunds was in this category. I watched LVE and Rashaan Evans more, one if I stayed where I was and the other if I traded down. I watched the receivers, and liked quite a few but not enough to select them at 15. So I guessed I might go with LVE if I stayed at 15 but was not excited about it. Frankly, I expected in the end to go BPA at 15 and target Nwosu in round 2 for my linebacking need, which was serious. Anyway, I watched more of Edmunds after I picked him than before. As I watched and as I analyzed his situation in Buffalo, I got more and more excited about him. My opinions did not change, but they were reinforced and I could not have known he would go to Buffalo before the draft. Analysis Big linebacker. Fast linebacker. Limitless range. Strong linebacker. Loves to hit, but a form tackler. Smart linebacker. Good motor. Stands up to, controls, and disengages from blocks. Young linebacker but mature for his age. Controls the huddle. Played in a sophisticated 46 defense at VPI and called signals. Fearless. Hard worker and great preparation. Plus pass defender, and I think could play safety at 250#. (Let that sink in.) Size: 6-4.5 250# with outstanding arm length (34.5") and wingspan (83"). Can use this radius to affect passes and make tackles even when he is not in perfect position. Has the frame to get bigger, and I expect him at about 265# by the end of his first contract. Could grow and be a defensive lineman, but there's no point and it won't happen. Scouts have difficulty coming up with good size/speed comparisons. He's pretty unique. I go back to Ted Hendricks, who was taller but he was skinny. They both played with great leverage. Speed: 4.54 combine. Plays fast on the field, with decisive movement. Does not stay still, and that makes it a bit hard for linemen to block him on the second level. When he does decide to go, he accelerates quickly and jets to where he is going. Similar to Roquan that way, but TE is much much bigger. Not called upon to bend on pass rush much, as he takes inside routes in his scheme, but I saw him bend once or twice. That's something to consider if he should move outside, along with him not doing the SS and 3C in testing. However, he moves on the field well enough that I would not worry. Perhaps his agent told him not to do them, as his height might give him a defensive lineman's result compared to shorter more compact linebackers. I don't know, and he's plenty nimble enough for Mike just on film grading alone. He was plenty fluid at the combine in drills. He really does have sideline-to-sideline range, and the motor to keep running even when plays are obviously away from him. Makes the tackles on the jet and fly sweeps, even though they usually go to safeties and slots if you don't have a Tremaine Edmunds. Great burst for any size, much less 250#. He backpedals easily in coverage, and he breaks quickly on the ball. He can play the slot, and can run downfield with a tailback or even a wide receiver a team hides in the backfield. Strength: Tests average (19 reps) on the bench, but plays with good strength. Sheds easily. Does not let go when he tackles. Uses his hands like a defensive lineman when he enters the trenches. When a lineman a little late to the spot tries to hold him, he easily shrugs off their arms without spinning around or being re-directed. (This may cost him from getting holding calls, but it is better to get to your spot on time than to flop for a call.) Uses his size, speed, strength, and ferocity in concert with each other and thus he has great balance and you do not find him on the turf much. Form tackler (with one repeating flaw). Does not catch runners. He gets them. He wants to tear their heads off and eat their hearts but he stays disciplined. He is strong enough to be tempted to wave an arm out and drop small runners, but has too much pride in his technique to rely on that. What he does do imperfectly is that he does not always get directly in front of his target. For whatever reason, he'll be a foot to the side of his target, who he wraps up and gets dragged an extra yard sometimes. (Any decent pro coach will eliminate this in a young player of TE's intellect.) He gets a lot of assists, which is not always a positive, but there are two types of assists. There are the assists you get because you cannot bring someone down by yourself, and the assists you get because you add yourself to the pile. You worry about the former but not the latter. You also ask if he is padding his stats or if he is just making sure the runner goes and stays down. I think he does the latter, which is a VPI thing and not to concern anyone. It also shows he likes to hit and get his nose into the action, which is a plus for any defender and particularly a linebacker. Smart. He's had 33 TFL in two years starting and one year of mop-up. (Roquan has 20 and LVE has 13 in roughly as many snaps.) You do that by recognizing plays based on film study. He calls signals for the VPI defense, which is challenging. You can see him correcting other players based on pre-snap reads. Gets genuine respect from peers, and they listen to him, even when they are older than he is. Polished speaker, not prone to uhms and uhs and likes. Keeps moving until after the whistle. You'll see him near the ball whenever the dust settles. Gets in to finish tackles even when it is obvious he does not need to, but he always makes the effort. What separates him clearly from Roquan and LVE, IMHO, is in his ability to play off blockers in traffic. If you get hands on the other two, you can neutralize them. With TE, the only one that takes him out of the play is TE. He keeps his blocker at arm's length, and sheds when he is ready. Blockers have a hard time getting square contact on him because he is always moving. In oversimplified terms, he is too big for small blockers and too fast for big blockers. He could play defensive line without looking out of place. Tough player. He never shies away from contact, and genuinely enjoys it. Will get in the face of opponents. Shove him and he will definitely shove back. Shove a teammate, and he joins the posse. The only time I have seen him visibly frustrated by a play is when he is drawing a bead on a running back in the flats who drops the pass instead of catching it and allowing TE a big hit. Very good skill set for pass defense, and good results on the field. Very aware. Draws comparisons to Urlacher and Kuechly. I compare him to Myles Jack, but better. Far ahead of every other linebacker in this class, and most classes. Dad was an NFL player. Brother is an NFL player. Other brother drafted in first round with him. It is no surprise he carries himself like a pro already and prepares like a pro. Huge leg up. Now, for the weaknesses. I mentioned how he does not always get his head across the front of a runner when he tackles. Fixable. Particularly when item #2 is fixed. He starts plays too much on his toes and taking a step forward before he knows what is going on. That looks great when he recognizes quickly and needs to move forward, but causes him to get sucked too far in too quickly in other situations. It may be how he was coached, but not completely. I think it has more to do with him relying on his gifts and wanting to splash, which sometimes happened. You gotta read the mesh point before you commit, and he commits too often before the mesh. I expect his pro coach to refine that, and I am far less worried than a lot of posters on this board about it. (It is real... just fixable.) Also, in college they try to fool you with college stuff, and in the pros they try to fool you with pro stuff. He falls for typical college fakes and trickery but does not fall for the more sophisticated stuff. So I think he will be a better pro than collegian. There's also the thing about busted coverages and busted assignments, and I am again far less worried about them than many on this board. Real issue, but understandable to me and will naturally repair with experience. The VPI defense is a variant of Buddy Ryan's old 46 defense. You know, 1985 Bears and Mike Singletary at mike. It is complex and it is a challenge to master and play. TE was running that defense for VPI and making the calls. He did a good job. But sometimes during the play he had some lapses in full understanding. There was a play I'm sure you saw if you watched TE lowlights, where he gave up on a RB who was staying in for pass pro and came off of him and returned to his alternate assignment in the middle. The RB then broke into a pattern and caught the pass for a big play. TE had no chance of getting back into coverage once he handed him off... to nobody. It wasn't that TE was an idiot or had no knowledge of his defense; it was that he knew 90% of what had to happen but missed the correct adjustment for this variant. From what I could tell, TE learned that lesson and it did not happen again after that play. And so on. I use the analogy that Roquan and LVE were A students in advanced algebra, while the younger TE was a B+ student in calculus. Roquan and LVE played in Big Boy defenses, but TE played in a mad scientist defense. You can watch the results of that defense improve as TE matured in it. As the MLB, he (and DT Tim Settle) were the lynchpins of the defense, and the MLB role is the more cerebral of the two. So Roquan and LVE had things funneled to them in player-friendlier defenses, while TE was thrown in and learned how to swim. Excuse-making? The future will see, but I believe it is legit and will help prepare TE for Buffalo. We don't know how he would play on the edge (and still won't.) Can he rush the passer from the edge? We have not seen it. We have seen his burst, but we do not know if he can reliably bend, or beat skilled left tackles, as he typically embarrasses inside linemen in the scheme they play. Summary Young player with unique size/speed. Does not stay blocked. You may say he is raw, but he is very advanced in the things that most rookies struggle with, like pass defense. His weaknesses are correctable, and may have been gone by draft day if he stayed in school one more year. Loves to play. Has the flexibility to start at six or seven different positions at the pro level. First game starter. Multiple all-pro future. With his weaknesses glaring, he is still the best defender on the field. When he plays cleanly, he is the best defender on any field. Post-Draft Selected by the Bills. Perfect fit. Perfect perfect perfect. Huge hole at mike, and he will waltz into the first string. Sean McDermott uses a 4-3 requiring strong play at mike. He came from Carolina and helped develop Luke Kuechly. The scheme does not protect linebackers, and requires them to have the positioning and athleticism to make plays themselves. Heavy zone coverages, and he needs a mobile pass defender at mike. What Sean needs at mike is only possible by a very few human beings on the planet to be run well, and TE is one of them. In other words, Sean needs someone like TE, and TE needs someone like Sean. Perfect match. The more I dive into it, the more excited I get. Buffalo will put TE in a position where they take advantage of his strengths, and will not have to struggle with anything unfamiliar to him except translating the terminology. He waits a heartbeat longer before he moves, and he will be the perfect mike for that defense. Remember the thing about Josh Allen's juvenile tweets? They were a big deal. Word was the locker room was not ready to accept Allen, if they thought he was a racist. Allen and TE were in the plane together flying to Buffalo. TE was still 19. Allen was two years older. The stakes were huge. Allen was the heir apparent franchise quarterback, the next Jim Kelly. If this was a failed pick, it set the franchise back for years. See Browns, Cleveland. The body language was Allen was shaken. TE was calm and was the one showing leadership when the two were together. Allen kinda babbled contritely. TE could have ducked and dodged, not to piss off his new defensive teammates. Instead, TE calmly and clearly said WTTE, "I spent the last two hours with Josh and got to know him. I think he is a good man." You listened to him. You believed him. 19 years old. Bam. The Josh Allen controversy was shut. That was that. It really was amazing. I expect him to establish that level of leadership on the Bills' defense. For the Bull I have Danny Trevathan onboard doing what TE will be asked to do, so on the team the two and De'Vondre Campbell will split Will, Mike, and Sam, with Kyle Emanuel losing his starting job. I think Trevathan can play all three slots, and Campbell can play Will or Sam. So TE will probably play Mike as soon as he can handle it. On nickel, TE will join Campbell and make one of the best pass defending linebacker duos in the league. The Bull will use some 3-4, and TE will play one of the inside slots. If TE is slow to develop, I'll stay with Campbell/Trevathan/Emanuel, and Campbell/Trevathan/Emanuel/Chickillo. In a year or two Trevathan will be gone, and it will be TE's defense.