BroncosFan2010

Ya. I think he is a 5-10 pick type talent where the Bosa's and Von were pick 1-3 types. Chubb to me was a 8-10 pick type talent in most drafts.

A rookie QB's best friend is a talented team. This idea that there is a single, specific position that can make or break a rookie QB's career is bananas. Two things make a good young QB. 1) Talent 2) Talent around him

Ya, while I believe IMDB is imbued with a lot of amateur film snobs and the ratings are often lower than they should be, its infinitely better than rotten tomatoes.

This is where I am at. I don't think he is the prospect that the Bosa boys were honestly. He isn't nearly powerful and those two have initial hand punches that arguably are generational. He isn't nearly as freaky or bendy as Von. Honestly, he reminds me more of a Chubb level prospect rather than a Bosa / Von level guy. But again, I am often wrong.

I would be wary of singing him as a backup. It may not be worth the media storm, much in the same way as Tebow wasn't. If you think he can be a starter and win games, sure, sign him. But its risky for Kap too. A lot of his political capital comes from the idea that he is too woke for the NFL and would be a quality starter still. If he flames out, he just becomes another political commentator and not a guy who has been kept down by the machine. Regardless, I have some popcorn ready and think it will be a fun ride.

I dont think getting C-Mac was ever that viable given the cost. But what could have really changed this franchise direction would have been hiring Kyle and signing Whitworth instead of Leary. Another not so talked about what-if, what if we signed the right Vikings FA QB in 2018? What if we offered him an above market deal (Say, 16-18M) for 3 years. Thats a gamble that would have paid off in spades. You get a (lower tier) franchise QB for a huge value over 3 seasons, opening 10M+ in extra money over what player of Teddy's caliber would generally get. This team with Kyle, Whitworth and Teddy? Were in the playoffs. I have no doubt about it. Those three guys would have shored up the three biggest issues we have had since the Super Bowl.

I mean, Phillip is a 15 year starter because his health is insane. That wasn't really what I was trying to say. What I mean was that Joe is the type of QB that may not hit that 1st tier, but should be a guy in the 2nd tier that doesn't need to be replaced. That Rivers, Ryan, Eli tier. Some aged better than others, but a guy that isn't a bubble or replacement level starter. That's literally what I said. I don't think Joe is likely to be elite, but he is a hell of a lot more likely to be a excellent 2nd tier QB than anyone we have had sniff this roster as a draft pick since Elway. It doesn't matter though. We wont be bad enough to get him. We will start Lock for a few games, he will flash just enough, we will avoid drafting a QB and then as a full time starter next season he will suck. You are confident in terms of speaking in absolutes, so there, I just did the same.

I think Joe is right up there with Lawrence and better than Fields. And Lock isnt in the same stratosphere. Trade downs are always slobbered over but if you think a guy can be a franchise QB, you dont trade down. Its tremendously hard to find a true franchise guy. I think Joe has a really good chance to being a Phillip Rivers caliber QB (15 year starter who isnt ever in danger of being replaced). I would deal 3 FRP's for a guy that is going to be a non replacement level QB, even if he isnt truly a 1st tier guy like Brady or Peyton.

I am not sure. I hate the idea of dealing tons of capital for a trade up, but if you truly think Burrow is a franchise guy, you go get him. Its moot because the teams in the top of the draft need QB's and are not going to want to trade down and miss on a prospect of Burrow's caliber. On the flip side, if we somehow had him fall into our laps I likely wouldnt deal him for any reasonable offer. Not even 2-3 1st rounders.

Any reference to OTC evaluations as some sort of realistic presumption of a players contract should immediately be disregarded. Yep, just like your prediction that Elway would sell CHJR and Von at the deadline. As for Burrow, clearly we draft him if he is anywhere near our draft position. He is a tremendous talent. Lock is a developmental guy, Joe is a franchise player.

So a 1st, 3rd, 6th and 2021 2nd for Thomas? No. I think Thomas is going to be really good, but he isn't Joe Thomas. I would take a OT middle R1 and use him at RT while moving James to LT. Only guy I wouldn't be disappointed in trading up for is a QB. If you think there is a franchise guy, go get him. As you know, I think Lock is fodder.

Assuming we don't go QB, I still really like the idea of a JAX trade down. Assuming we end up around 8 and they around 16, get their R2 and 2021 R3. Snag: R1 - Jedrick Wills OT - Alabama R2 - Troy Dye ILB - Oregon R2 - Tee Higgins WR - Clemson R3 - Darryl Williams IOL - Miss State R3 - Rashard Lawrence DL - LSU R3 - Levonta Taylor DB - Florida St

Sounds good, just making sure lol. Not trying to give you too hard a time. I am on the fence about bringing Wolfe back unless its quite cheap, but agree w/ the other 2. If CHJR will have us, you resign him ASAP. Screw a R3 comp pick. With 50-60M to play with, and a defense that's still pretty good, its tempting to simply sign Teddy to a 25M per type deal, especially given his age. End the carousel overnight.

Yep, when I look at Bolles I too think 'this guy is going to be like 7 time Pro Bowl player Logan Mankins'. Especially considering Mankins had made 2 pro bowls by the age that Bolles currently is. I don't want to pick on you because your such a great fan and active poster, but have you hated any Elway picks? If Lynch is the only guy you can think of, then you may be trusting Elway's talent evaluation a bit too much.

He liked Bolles because he thought his body and attitude were NFL ready, and Elway believed we were contenders needing a NFL ready guy. It was always a horribly, horrible pick. Bolles was like 25 and barely knew how to play the game. Its like Elway assumed a higher age meant more NFL ready. It was stupid. The trajectory of this entire organization would have been different if we signed Whitworth and drafted Ram or Rob. We would be in a much, much better place right now.