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  1. I agree with this and I'm a huge Chiefs/EB fan. Eric Berry is to this day is the best safety prospect I have ever seen. He was so natural and had zero holes in his game. I seen him as a more physical Ed Reed. He had a great career but even before the cancer he didn't meet my expectations. He wasn't great in coverage, was awful at covering TE's, and somehow transformed to a more in the box safety type. A lot of that I blame on our coaching staff. SideNote: Under my previous username "Bigballin". I predicted on here that the Chiefs would select Eric Berry at #5 the October before the draft. I still believe I deserve an award for knowing both the pick and the player at that time.
  2. See this is what I'm talking about. Hunt was fast, he played fast. Just because a guy runs a 4.6 40 does not mean he's not fast. Also like I said previously CEH is not a 4.6 guy, he ran a 4.47 in high school. One bad day at the combine does not make you "slow". As for vertical, Hunt's 36.5" vert is pretty good. I believe vertical and broad jump is far more indicative of RB success in the NFL, all positions really. One of the reasons that I believe Leonard Fournette has not been as productive in the NFL, his 28.5" vertical shows he lacks explosiveness.
  3. I am here to debunk the myth that Clyde Edwards-Helaire is slow for the position by NFL standards, furthermore I would like to continue to promote my comparison of him as a PROSPECT to that of Barry Sanders. Notes from an actual scouting report Gil Brandt wrote on Sanders for Dallas: "Sanders measured up at 5-foot-7 5/8, 203 pounds and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37. ... I wish he was a little taller. ... Has Tony Dorsett-like ability as a runner, unbelieveable quickness (quickness grades above 80 percent). ... Great leg strength and vision. ... Can cut, stop and start on a dime. ... Has been very durable. ... Can return kickoffs (two for TDs in 1987). ... Oklahoma State seldom throws ball to running backs but he did catch ball well in practice. ... Great person, everyone from equipment manager to the secretaries brag on him. ... Should be a Pro Bowl player." Does that scouting report seem pretty similar to CEH? There are really very few differences, other than 3/8 inch height and 4 lbs, and the outlier being the 40 yard dash time discrepancy of 4.37 vs 4.6. On to the 40 yard dash, the consensus is that Barry Sanders was a home run 4.3 guy by today's standards, and that CEH isn't fast. - The tape doesn't lie, go watch Barry Sanders top 50 plays on youtube, I'm on a govt computer so I can't share the link. He frequently gets caught from behind by defenders from the 90's era of football. Not to discredit Barry Sanders but the idea that he was a speed demon like Chris Johnson is simply not true. Barry had good speed but elite quickness, moves, and agility. Now go watch highlights of Clyde Edwards-Helaire against SEC defenses, the guy breaks long runs and occasionally gets caught from behind much in the same way Barry Sanders did. Their speed, quickness, agility, and running style are literally identical. It's scary. - The 4.37 forty ran by Barry was hand time, which are notoriously faster than the automated times at the Combine. Historically scouts cut off 1/10 of a second when comparing to automated times, making Barry Sanders a 4.47 automated forty time guy. - Clyde Edwards-Helaire ran a 4.47 automated forty yard dash at the 2016 Nike SPARQ combine, approximately the exact same speed that Barry Sanders would have ran. Here some other numbers from 2016 Nike SPARQ combine in comparison to the NFL combine: 1. Jonathan Taylor: SPARQ - 4.42 / NFL Combine - 4.39 2. JK Dobbins: SPARQ - 4.44 / NFL Combine - NA but considered a HR threat 3. Cam Akers: SPARQ - 4.41 (Pre ACL injury) / NFL Combine - 4.47 4. Anthony McFarland: SPARQ - 4.53 / NFL Combine - 4.44 5. Eno Benjamin: SPARQ - 4.70 / NFL Combine - 4.57 6. Patrick Queen: SPARQ - 4.72 (at 209 lbs) / NFL Combine - 4.50 7. AJ Dillon: SPARQ - 4.54 (at 239 lbs) / NFL Combine - 4.53 8. Jeffrey Okudah: SPARQ - 4.49 / NFL Combine - 4.48 9. Xavier McKinney: SPARQ - 4.59 / NFL Combine - 4.63 The data shows that the SPARQ automated 40 is incredibly accurate. In Conclusion... I ask you, would everyone be labeling CEH as having below average speed if he ran a 4.47 at the NFL combine like he did at the SPARQ combine? His tape definitely shows a RB with elite quickness and good break away speed. I think it's time we squash this misconception. I'm not saying that Clyde Edwards Helaire is Barry Sanders, not yet. However he is the closest comparison to Barry Sanders that I have ever seen and I have been evaluating draft prospects as a hobby since 2004.
  4. Honestly you all need to stop reading the NFL.com scouting report. It is not accurate at all. CEH's best comp in terms of running style is a blend of Ray Rice and Barry Sanders. Who were both 5'8 btw, 3/4 of an inch does not make that big of difference. Literally hold up 3/4 of an inch between your fingers, that is what you all are determining is his weakness compared to the previous RBs mentioned. Also he has big hands for his size which is a plus as a receiver. In my opinion he is not at all like MJD or Brian Westbrook in terms of running style. Also this idea that he is not fast enough to stretch outside runs is absurd. He has elite quickness and good speed, guy runs the fastest 4.6 40 I have ever seen. He broke long runs against SEC defenses that are faster than the guys catching up to Barry Sanders in some of his highlights. Also, as said before...He ran an electronic 4.47 at the high school Sparq test which are on par with the combine. Really just look at the film, CEH is the total package outside of being 5'7. Although realistically, smaller RBs built like him are actually more durable. All the most durable RBs in NFL history were 5'9 and under. 1. Emmit Smith - 5'9 2. Walter Payton - 5'9 3. Frank Gore - 5'9 4. Barry Sanders - 5'8 5. Adrian Peterson - 6'1 6. Curtis Martin - 5'9 7. LaDainian Tomlinson - 5'10 Do you see the trend here yet? Lastly something real to think about is the stigma of not being the "prototype 6'1 225 lb RB" is that at 5'7 he will legit cost less when it comes time to negotiate his contract. Look at the figures historically, it's real. If I were to grade CEH as a prospect: Size: 7 - Again 5'9 is the true prototype for great RBs, not 6'1. Speed: 8 Quickness: 9 Agility: 9 Instincts: 9 Receiving: 9 Blocking: 6.5 Carrying: 10 Spin, Juke, Cut Moves: 10 Power: 7 Durability: 9 This is a great pick by Veach, Reid, and Mahomes.
  5. He's faster than reported, he had multiple long runs against SEC defenses where he straight burned them and his quickness is elite. Also I think the fast thing is because of his 4.6 40 at the combine but I'm betting he pulled something. CEH posted a 4.47 electronic 40 time during the high school SPARQ tests which are very accurate.
  6. The kid reminds me of Jake Locker, toolsy, terrible consistency, and one previous good year.
  7. Did you see Mizzou play in 2019? It wasn't exactly an explosive offense, they were terrible. You don't really draft TEs based on production either, it's one of those positions you really look at the overall talent.
  8. He's hands down my #1 and it's not even close.
  9. Dallas Clark was 24, Ed Reed was 24, just off the top of my head. George Kittle was an older 23 year old. Does 6 months really determine that much difference?
  10. warsawian


    I don't think he had two indecent exposure incidents that forced him to transfer both schools. From my understanding he transferred from Oregon to Texas A&M due to the depth at WR and family reasons, as A&M was close to home in Louisiana. There he was cited for two incidents of indecent exposure to two college tutors during the month of October, which were charged as two class B misdemeanors and no sexual misconduct. Obviously the commonality between his incidents and Antonio Brown will not do him any favors on draft day. He ran low 4.4 40 in HS SPARQ, 43 power throw (the highest of the event), and posted a 45.8" vertical. He is an absolute freak athlete with ball skills and great RAC/return ability as well. At Arkansas State he posted: 83 rec / 1,005 yd / 7 TD in 2018 and 70 rec / 806 yd / 12 TD in 2019. He went ahead and held a private pro day with measurements by former NFL scout Joe Cox. It is all on video as well. Height: 5'11 Weight: 208 Hands: 10 1/4 Arms: 32 1/4 Bench: 23 40: 4.33 Shuttle: 4.05 3 cone: 7.12 Broad: 11’3 Vert: 45.5" He is definitely a hidden gem and any team that can look past the character issues could be getting a very good WR in a loaded class. Might be a guy the Chiefs try to target late in the draft, like Tyreek Hill.
  11. Can we PLEASE not turn this into another Joe Burrow debate, or is that what VanS was hoping for?
  12. 1. Simmons 2. Okudah 3. Wirfs Simmons over Okudah because he can have a bigger impact and set the tone for an entire defense.
  13. Yes in terms of compensation. I think Jones will ask for about $23-25M a year.
  14. The Colts overpaid for Buckner, we can't expect for another team to do the same for Jones.
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