3rivers Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 On 2018-05-03 at 3:22 PM, warfelg said: I agree if he needed this to light a fire he needs better motivation. But I’ll add that’s not how I read it. Bens a drama queen. We all know this. That’s all this was. Stir up some drama. Good news for us is every time he stirs up drama he plays at an MVP level. So keep stirring up some drama Ben! Maybe we should ask Favre to suit up! the problem is that while he wants drama , he has the most talent in the NFL on his offence and what have we won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, 3rivers said: the problem is that while he wants drama , he has the most talent in the NFL on his offence and what have we won? 2 Super Bowls? I get what you're saying. This is the best Offense in the NFL (imo) but it isn't the Offense that USUALLY let's them down. It could be more consistent but in the one Playoff game against a top Defense (#1 or #2 depending on criteria) they scored 42pts and Ben threw for 469 yds and 5 TDs. What more do you want out of the Offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 The problem is our defense and its been proven that defense wins championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, wwhickok said: The problem is our defense and its been proven that defense wins championships That is such an overrated cliche. Not downplaying that defense is important to winning championships, but I've grown to hate that saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 In regards to Ben, this is why I didn't want to draft a quarterback early. He isn't the mentoring type. He is a drama queen and a d bag. If he were clearly regressing, I wouldn't mind... But I do think he can play another 3 to 5 years. Such a wasted pick considering how many shortcomings we have on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, FourThreeMafia said: In regards to Ben, this is why I didn't want to draft a quarterback early. He isn't the mentoring type. He is a drama queen and a d bag. If he were clearly regressing, I wouldn't mind... But I do think he can play another 3 to 5 years. Such a wasted pick considering how many shortcomings we have on defense. Yeah, and also to your point, imagine if we drafted an RB early as well . Bell would be 10x worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Chieferific said: Yeah, and also to your point, imagine if we drafted an RB early as well . Bell would be 10x worse. Exactly why I lobbied so hard against taking RB early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: That is such an overrated cliche. Not downplaying that defense is important to winning championships, but I've grown to hate that saying. it is more true in the NBA because no one plays defense so when a team can play defense it generally comes out above it's opponents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: That is such an overrated cliche. Not downplaying that defense is important to winning championships, but I've grown to hate that saying. My point is, no matter how good the offense is if you dont have a defense capabale of coming up big when you need it most, youre gonna have a hard time winning championships. We definitelty dont have that D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, wwhickok said: My point is, no matter how good the offense is if you dont have a defense capabale of coming up big when you need it most, youre gonna have a hard time winning championships. We definitelty dont have that D. I believe that D is important, not quite the way it was way back, but still important. my point was that with all the talent Ben has, he should be able too outscore teams no problem even if we have to score 40+pts. It doesn't appear we have the D, there would have too be break out seasons but dupree and burns and then the experiments would have to work and everyone has to stay healthy. If that all happens, it's quite a serving fo crow for us ain't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, wwhickok said: My point is, no matter how good the offense is if you dont have a defense capabale of coming up big when you need it most, youre gonna have a hard time winning championships. We definitelty dont have that D. It's not even a full defense anymore. You need a good pass rush. That's it. Other than the Seattle and Bronco's those teams that won didn't really have a dominating corner, especially the teams that were in it. They had a good corner, but they also had an impressive pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, warfelg said: It's not even a full defense anymore. You need a good pass rush. That's it. Other than the Seattle and Bronco's those teams that won didn't really have a dominating corner, especially the teams that were in it. They had a good corner, but they also had an impressive pass rush. Our secondary was never special during the years our defense was dominant. Troy was great, but beyond that the talent was, at best, solid. Everyone knows by now what I thought of Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark had his moments but was never much more than a decent complimentary piece to Troy, and our corners beyond Ike were never really starting quality....but much like Ike, were made to look much better due to the dominant front 7 in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 hours ago, wwhickok said: My point is, no matter how good the offense is if you dont have a defense capabale of coming up big when you need it most, youre gonna have a hard time winning championships. We definitelty dont have that D. I can agree with that for the most part....I just hate that saying because it oversimplifies a complex answer, and people chant it like it sums up everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I have both a statement and a question. First the statement, the prospect of matthew thomas really excites me and I hope he makes the roster. The question, if he does make the roster, who doesnt as a result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 4 hours ago, wwhickok said: I have both a statement and a question. First the statement, the prospect of matthew thomas really excites me and I hope he makes the roster. The question, if he does make the roster, who doesnt as a result? with all the talk of various schemes, maybe the final 53 will have a different number of players for positions than usual. We had 5 OLB last year, normally 4. Do we go back to 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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