NFL Draft Thread Part 2 : Post-Draft Talk (UDFA Talk here as well)

[VigilantZombie]

18 minutes ago, DR43 said:

I read that Johnson's 40 time was 4.38.  5'11, 184.

 

I cant understand why someone didn't use a 7th rounder on him.

Completely agree. If he has the ability to play ST, i could definitely see him making the roster.

[JLambert58]

1 hour ago, DR43 said:

Matthew Thomas h Matthew Thomas has a 40 time of 4.5 and a vertical of 41'5"

Dude's a beast.

[Chieferific]

15 minutes ago, JLambert58 said:

Dude's a beast.

Actually ran a 4.4 40 at his Pro Day at 6'3" 232lbs. 

[JLambert58]

14 minutes ago, Chieferific said:

Actually ran a 4.4 40 at his Pro Day at 6'3" 232lbs. 

Nice raw talent to work with.  He hits as hard as Siran Neal. 

[Chieferific]

Just to add, Thomas had the #1 SPARQ score of all Off LOS LBs. He missed a lot of games for academic reasons (perhaps that played into his not being drafted). I don't know if that's because of an intellectual deficiency or a commitment/maturity issue. Hopefully being an UDFA will light a fire under him and he'll get his nose in the playbook. If you couldn't tell, I'm really excited about this player's potential. 

[DR43]

7 hours ago, wwhickok said:

Trey Johnson, Matthew Thomas, and Quadree Henderson are the 3 that interest me

Trey Johnson i could actually see beating out Sensabaugh for a roster spot.

I agree that Johnson could make the team but I think it would be more likely to come at the expense at Brian Allen than Sensabaugh.

[Ward4HOF]

Chieferific,

Regarding this post in the Draft Thread...

I agree, to a point, but I firmly believe they had a plan in place--Take Washington with the notion of aiding their next selection, Rudolph's, transition into the NFL. If Rudolph is gone?  Oh well, we still drafted a WR with similar function/role, in mind, that Bryant provided for us--a Deep threat/Go-route specialist. yes they are vastly differently in build/make-up and complimentary skillsets, but primary skillset?  Same.

...and as far as him being a reach? (you did not say this--others have, and addressing it here rather than another post)... 3/4 of the Big Boards I've seen, he was slated to be selected in the 2nd Rd area.  PFF had him as a 1st Rd guy, as was Rudolph...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pff-big-board-top-250-players-for-the-2018-nfl-draft

 

FootballFanSpot Final Mock Draft - Washington - 49 |  Rudolph - 52

TheSportsQuotient Final Mock Draft - Washington - 24 |  Rudolph - 31

DraftCountdown BigBoard - Washington - 56 |  Rudolph - 43

DraftAce BigBoard - Washington - 56 |  Rudolph - 57

GBNReport BigBoard - Washington - 77 |  Rudolph - 53    |    (Terrell Edmunds - 37)

NFLDraftScout BigBoard - Washington - 84 |  Rudolph - 43

Yahoo BigBoard - Washington - 58 |  Rudolph - 64

Mayock BigBoard - Washington - 49 |  Rudolph - 37

 

I know...43M addressed this yesterday; he doesn't care what other sites have them listed. But unless we all spend the same amount of time as scouts/Draft-site-draftniks do on this stuff, I tend to go with the average of what all the sites compute, and what 'they' compute is that Washington and Rudolph were 2nd Rd values.

IMO, we had 2 'reaches'--oddly enough, our 1st Rd pick and our 7th Rd pick--and we had 3 'steals' in Rudolph, Allen, and Samuels, and hit the value on the head with Okorafor and Washington. But that's just 'value'...that doesn't take into account need/openings vs selected positions, and in that area, I think we missed the boat a little bit.  No new TE, and no new traditional ILB. I love that they 'potentially' got our Ben 'heir-apparent' (sp??) in the 3rd Rd--a guy that a team could have taken in the late 1st, or with an early 2nd, and no one would have 'batted an eye'.  The Rudolph  non-believers would've yacked, but they are now, anyway, so it is what it is, but point being, we got a QB with starting potential and NFL size.

OK, enough droning...sorry...

 

[jebrick]

8 hours ago, Chieferific said:

Just to add, Thomas had the #1 SPARQ score of all Off LOS LBs. He missed a lot of games for academic reasons (perhaps that played into his not being drafted). I don't know if that's because of an intellectual deficiency or a commitment/maturity issue. Hopefully being an UDFA will light a fire under him and he'll get his nose in the playbook. If you couldn't tell, I'm really excited about this player's potential. 

Thomas has some character red flags.  I was a little surprised the Steelers signed him.  His athleticism gives him a decent chance to make the team.

[warfelg]

Hearing at least 5 teams has a 5th round grade on Edmunds, half the league has a 3rd round grade, and another 2-3 had UDFA grades.  If that's to be believed that's 23ish of the 31 teams that you could have said were not a threat to take him.  That leave what, 7-8 teams to worry about?  We had to spend a 1st on him?

[VigilantZombie]

39 minutes ago, warfelg said:

Hearing at least 5 teams has a 5th round grade on Edmunds, half the league has a 3rd round grade, and another 2-3 had UDFA grades.  If that's to be believed that's 23ish of the 31 teams that you could have said were not a threat to take him.  That leave what, 7-8 teams to worry about?  We had to spend a 1st on him?

In terms of value this is the worst draft pick that Kevin Colbert has ever made in his tenure imo

[95lloyd]

52 minutes ago, warfelg said:

Hearing at least 5 teams has a 5th round grade on Edmunds, half the league has a 3rd round grade, and another 2-3 had UDFA grades.  If that's to be believed that's 23ish of the 31 teams that you could have said were not a threat to take him.  That leave what, 7-8 teams to worry about?  We had to spend a 1st on him?

5 teams huh, didn't know teams were releasing their draft boards lol  It really doesn't matter what other teams think, they made the pick for the Steelers.  He was their guy when it got to pick 28, sometimes you just got to learn to live with it.

[VigilantZombie]

4 minutes ago, 95lloyd said:

5 teams huh, didn't know teams were releasing their draft boards lol  It really doesn't matter what other teams think, they made the pick for the Steelers.  He was their guy when it got to pick 28, sometimes you just got to learn to live with it.

Tomlin said "We we're not going to reach" in a press conference.  But no matter how you slice it, that's exactly what they did with Terrell Edmunds.  Is he a good player? looks to be, could be a great one, but was he valued as a 1st round pick? No, he wasn't, seemingly by ANYONE except well, Kevin Colbert. 

When they talk to the media, obviously they're going to tell you what you want to hear in terms of "this was our guy the entire time, we didn't reach, we believe in this kid" blah blah.  They're not going to tell you "we panicked and took a guy we thought might not be there at #60" even if that's true.

[VigilantZombie]

Having said that all of the above, when I look at this draft, I can't help but feel the class is actually much weaker than it was ever hyped up to be.  This draft class (league wide) could, imo, end up being one of the worst of all time.

[95lloyd]

2 minutes ago, wwhickok said:

Tomlin said "We we're not going to reach" in a press conference.  But no matter how you slice it, that's exactly what they did with Terrell Edmunds.  Is he a good player? looks to be, could be a great one, but was he valued as a 1st round pick? No, he wasn't, seemingly by ANYONE except well, Kevin Colbert. 

 

The operative word being "seemingly".  We'll never know because he was taken in the first round by us.  That is where the Steelers valued him.  If we had taken Harrison would there have been a discussion of why we reached for him?  Some people wanted him at 28 but he fell to the bottom of the third round.  The fact is outside of the top 15-20 picks there were a bunch of guys with similar value.  The steelers selected the guy they thought best suited them,  only time will tell if the pick is a reach

[warfelg]

3 minutes ago, 95lloyd said:

5 teams huh, didn't know teams were releasing their draft boards lol  It really doesn't matter what other teams think, they made the pick for the Steelers.  He was their guy when it got to pick 28, sometimes you just got to learn to live with it.

Doesn’t mean I have to like it. 

To quote Nick Fury “I recognize [thry have] made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-[blank] decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.”

 

I hope he does well now that he’s a Steeler, but in 2-3 years when he’s not performing to the expectations of a 1st rounder, and defensive players taken after him are performing better, those saying they stuck with their board better not complain one bit. 

Never wonder why I don’t give @FourThreeMafia crap for his dumping on Burns when I give other people crap? Because the people I dog over it had this same “well they stuck with their board” schtick with Burns and were the first ones to complain when he didn’t perform like a 1st round pick. 43M stuck to his guns of it being a mistake and never backed off.