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7 minutes ago, skywindO2 said:

And two of those picks were Ponder and Kalil. :(

The Kalil pick was only bad in hindsight.  It certainly was the pick to make at the time.  The Ponder one we can certainly all agree was a bad pick even at the time, as they should have either waited or traded back.  

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The Vikings only have 5* players, at this moment, at 30 years or older. 

 

* yes, I’ve already mentally cut Kai Forbath. 

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9 minutes ago, SemperFeist said:

The Vikings only have 5* players, at this moment, at 30 years or older. 

 

* yes, I’ve already mentally cut Kai Forbath. 

So forsooth, you forswear Forbath?

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11 minutes ago, SemperFeist said:

The Vikings only have 5* players, at this moment, at 30 years or older. 

Even more impressive, they only have 2 players older than 30: Robison (35) and Newman (39), who are expected to play only as backups and rotationally. Their oldest starters are Sendejo and Griffen: 30 turning 31 later this year.

PFR uses ages at the end of the calendar year. Current Vikings (minus Forbath) by age on Dec 31, 2018: 

  • 40: Newman
  • 35: Robison
  • 31: Sendejo, Griffen, Sherels
  • 30: Cousins, Joseph, Reiff
  • 29: Smith, Remmers, Rudolph, Compton

Smith's birthday is in early February. If the Vikings make it out of the NFC this year, he'll turn 30 just before the Super Bowl.

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As long as Blake Bortles is the Quarterback for the Jaguars, their roster is not better than the Vikings. 

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One of the Vikings’ undisclosed injuries this spring has continued to keep safety Andrew Sendejo sidelined. Primarily rotating in his place have been Anthony Harris and Jayron Kearse, until Tuesday.

The NFL’s eldest defensive back, Terence Newman, showed off his ability to play any position in the Vikings secondary when he took reps alongside safety Harrison Smith during the start of a three-day mandatory minicamp in Eagan.

 

http://www.startribune.com/vikings-minicamp-observations-terence-newman-gets-reps-at-safety/485274991/

We already know that he can play safety in a pinch, but it'll be interesting to watch to see how much he does play there during the preseason.  

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Updated projection, post minicamp:

QB: Cousins, Siemian, Sloter

RB: Cook, Murray, Boone, Ham (FB)

WR: Thielen, Diggs, Treadwell, Wright, Zylstra, Coley

TE: Rudolph, Morgan, Conklin

OL: Reiff, Easton, Elflein, Remmers, Hill, Compton, Isidora, O’Neill, Gossett, Collins

DL: Griffen, Richardson, Joseph, Hunter, Robison, Bower, Holmes, Johnson, Aruna

LB: Barr, Kendricks, Gedeon, Wilson, Downs (Brothers)

CB: Rhodes, Waynes, Hughes, Alexander, Newman, Hill

S: Smith, Sendejo, Harris, Kearse

ST: Carlson, Quigley, McDermott

PS: Thomas, Badet, Robertson, Gonzalez, Cothran, Odenigbo, Dooley, Richardson, Matthews (Cayleb Jones)

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On 5/9/2018 at 3:57 PM, disaacs said:

Apparently, I never posted this, even though I created it several days ago, but I did modify it slightly now due to Mata'afa's position change.

 

Here's my early stab at the 53-man roster:

QB (3): Kirk Cousins, Trevor Siemian, Kyle Sloter

RB (4): Dalvin Cook, Latavius Murray, Mike Boone, CJ Ham (FB)

WR (6): Stefon DiggsAdam Thielen, Laquon Treadwell, Kendall Wright,  Stacy Coley, Korey Robertson

TE (4): Kyle Rudolph, David Morgan, Blake Bell, Tyler Conklin

OL (9): Riley ReiffRashod Hill, Mike RemmersNick Easton, Pat ElfleinTom ComptonBrian O'Neill, Aviante Collins, Danny Isidora

DL (9): Everson Griffen, Danielle HunterLinval Hungry, Sheldon Richardson, Jaleel Johnson, Tashawn Bower, Jalyn Holmes, Brian Robison, Hercules Mata'afa

LB (5): Anthony BarrEric Kendricks, Ben Gedeon, Eric Wilson, Kentrell Brothers (will be replaced by Devante Downs for first 4 weeks)

DB (10): Xavier RhodesTrae Waynes, Harrison Smith, Andrew Sendejo Mackensie Alexander, Terence Newman, Mike Hughes, Anthony Harris, Jayron Kearse,  Holton Hill  

ST (3): Daniel Carlson, Ryan Quigley, Kevin McDermott

Practice Squad: Ade Aruna , Cashaud Lyons, Dieugot Joseph, Storm Norton, Roc Thomas , Jack Tocho, Josiah Price, Brandon Zylstra, Jake Wieneke, Colby Gossett       

 
 

Pre-summer vacation edition (changes are in red):

QB (3): Kirk Cousins, Trevor Siemian, Kyle Sloter

RB (4): Dalvin Cook, Latavius Murray, Mike Boone, CJ Ham (FB)

WR (6): Stefon DiggsAdam Thielen, Laquon Treadwell, Kendall Wright,  Stacy Coley, Brandon Zylstra

TE (4): Kyle Rudolph, David Morgan, Blake Bell, Tyler Conklin

OL (9): Riley ReiffRashod Hill, Mike RemmersNick Easton, Pat ElfleinTom ComptonBrian O'Neill, Aviante Collins, Danny Isidora

DL (9): Everson Griffen, Danielle HunterLinval Hungry, Sheldon Richardson, Jaleel Johnson, Tashawn Bower, Jalyn Holmes, Brian Robison, David Parry

LB (5): Anthony BarrEric Kendricks, Ben Gedeon, Eric Wilson, Kentrell Brothers (will be replaced by Devante Downs for first 4 weeks)

DB (10): Xavier RhodesTrae Waynes, Harrison Smith, Andrew Sendejo Mike HughesMackensie Alexander, Terence Newman,  Anthony Harris, Jayron Kearse,  Holton Hill  

ST (3): Daniel Carlson, Ryan Quigley, Kevin McDermott

Practice Squad: Ade Aruna , Cashaud Lyons, Dieugot Joseph, Storm Norton, Horace Richardson, Jack Tocho, Josiah Price, Korey Robertson, Johnny Stanton, Colby Gossett       

Edited by disaacs

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On 6/18/2018 at 9:12 AM, disaacs said:

Pre-summer vacation edition (changes are in red):

QB (3): Kirk Cousins, Trevor Siemian, Kyle Sloter

RB (4): Dalvin Cook, Latavius Murray, Mike Boone, CJ Ham (FB)

WR (6): Stefon DiggsAdam Thielen, Laquon Treadwell, Kendall Wright,  Stacy Coley, Brandon Zylstra

TE (4): Kyle Rudolph, David Morgan, Blake Bell, Tyler Conklin

OL (9): Riley ReiffRashod Hill, Mike RemmersNick Easton, Pat ElfleinTom ComptonBrian O'Neill, Aviante Collins, Danny Isidora

DL (9): Everson Griffen, Danielle HunterLinval Hungry, Sheldon Richardson, Jaleel Johnson, Tashawn Bower, Jalyn Holmes, Brian Robison, David Parry

LB (5): Anthony BarrEric Kendricks, Ben Gedeon, Eric Wilson, Kentrell Brothers (will be replaced by Devante Downs for first 4 weeks)

DB (10): Xavier RhodesTrae Waynes, Harrison Smith, Andrew Sendejo Mike HughesMackensie Alexander, Terence Newman,  Anthony Harris, Jayron Kearse,  Holton Hill  

ST (3): Daniel Carlson, Ryan Quigley, Kevin McDermott

Practice Squad: Ade Aruna , Cashaud Lyons, Dieugot Joseph, Storm Norton, Horace Richardson, Jack Tocho, Josiah Price, Korey Robertson, Johnny Stanton, Colby Gossett       

Looks pretty solid to me. 

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The Minnesota Vikings 90-man roster is still at 90 after the conclusion of OTAs and minicamps.  Now, they have until the final week of the preseason to trim things down to 53 players. Here is a look at where the Vikings' roster stands heading into training camp in July:

 

Quarterback (4): Kirk Cousins, Peter Pujals (rookie), Trevor Siemian, Kyle Sloter

Running Backs (5): Mike Boone (rookie), Mack Brown, Dalvin Cook, Latavius Murray, Roc Thomas(rookie)

Fullbacks (2): C.J. Ham, Johnny Stanton (rookie)

Wide Receivers (12): Jeff Badet (rookie), Chad Beebe (rookie), Stacy Coley, Stefon Diggs, Cayleb Jones, Tavarres King, Korey Robertson (rookie), Adam Thielen, Laquon Treadwell, Jake Wieneke(rookie), Kendall Wright, Brandon Zylstra (rookie)

Tight Ends (6): Blake Bell, Tyler Conklin (rookie), Tyler Hoppes, David Morgan, Josiah Price, Kyle Rudolph

Offensive Tackles (8): Aviante Collins, Rashod Hill, Dieugot Joseph, Cedrick Lang, Storm Norton, Brian O'Neill (rookie), Riley Reiff, Mike Remmers

Guards (5): Tom Compton, Nick Easton, Chris Gonzalez (rookie), Colby Gossett (rookie), Danny Isidora

Centers (3): Josh Andrews, Cornelius Edison, Pat Elflein

Defensive Ends (8): Ade Aruna (rookie), Tashawn Bower, Everson Griffen, Danielle Hunter, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Brian Robison, Stephen Weatherly, Jonathan Wynn (rookie)

Defensive Tackles (6): Jalyn Holmes (rookie), Curtis Cothran (rookie), Jaleel Johnson, Linval Joseph, David Parry, Sheldon Richardson

Linebackers (11): Anthony Barr, Kentrell Brothers, Reshard Cliett, Garret Dooley (rookie), Devante Downs (rookie), Ben Gedeon, Eric Kendricks, Mike Needham, Brett Taylor (rookie), Antwione Williams, Eric Wilson

Cornerbacks (10): Mackensie Alexander, Holton Hill (rookie), Mike Hughes (rookie), Craig James(rookie), Trevon Mathis (rookie), Terence Newman, Xavier Rhodes, Horace Richardson, Marcus Sherels, Trae Waynes

Safeties (6): Anthony Harris, Jayron Kearse, Tray Matthews (rookie), Andrew Sendejo, Harrison Smith, Jack Tocho

Kickers (2): Daniel Carlson (rookie), Kai Forbath

Punters (1): Ryan Quigley

Long Snappers (1): Kevin McDermott

Injured reserve: DL Hercules Mata'afa

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Bolt/Minnesota-Vikings-90-man-roster-updated-Week-of-June-25-117853888/

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QB: (3) Cousins, Siemian, Slater

RB: (4) Cook, Murray, Ham, Thomas

WR: (5) Thielen, Diggs, Treadwell, Wright, Coley

TE: (4) Rudolph, Morgan, Conklin, Bell

OL (10) Reiff, Easton, Elflein, Remmers, Hill, O’Neill, Compton, Isidora, Collins, Gossett

DL (9) Griffen, Richardson, Joseph, Hunter, Robison, Bower, Johnson, Perry, Holmes

LB (5) Barr, Kendricks, Gedeon, Wilson, Downs

DB (10) Rhodes, Waynes, Newman, Alexander, Hughes, Hill, Smith, Sendejo, Harris, Kearse

ST (3) Carlson, Quigley, McDermott

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Posted (edited)

I’d rather keep a 6th receive/linebacker or 10th DL over 4 TEs

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36 minutes ago, rpmwr19 said:

I’d rather keep a 6th receive/linebacker or 10th DL over 4 TEs

Not me.  Cousins has an affinity for the TE position, so I'd definitely keep 4 TEs...but I'd be tremendously surprised to see them keep 10 OL.  I expect them to keep only 9.  With the new kickoff rules, they'll likely to need to keep a 6th LB/WR over a 10th OL to play STs.  

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They need a backup X / split end WR. Last year they had Michael Floyd. Can't have 2 slot/flankers (Wright, Coley) as the only backups. Zylstra and Robertson are the main options this year. 

They don't need a 4th TE just because of Cousins. There aren't enough snaps to go around to dress more than 3 TEs for any given game. Keeping 4 only makes sense if the last guy on the depth chart is going to be a healthy inactive. That might happen if Conklin doesn't earn playing time in front of Bell, could roster him as a redshirt rookie. 

10 OL is probably overkill. If Compton is worth keeping for veteran depth and positional flexibility probably best to choose the best 2 from Isidora, Gossett and Collins to keep for long-term development purposes. I don't know which one to drop, so I kept 10 OL last time I did this, but after preseason it should be clear who the best options are there. 

Still don't expect them to keep David Parry. They don't really need a dedicated backup NT who'd only play 10 snaps a game or less with everyone healthy, and won't contribute on special teams. Jaleel can rotate to NT occasionally to give Linval a breather, and hopefully the nickel DT depth is better this year with Holmes so Joseph won't have to play on 3rd downs. If there's an injury, they can sign a Parry-quality player off the street or a practice squad, which is where Parry's been for the last year anyway.

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While they don't need a guy like Parry, I kept him on the roster because all indications seem to be that they really like him and were very impressed with him during OTAs and the minicamp.  

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