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30 minutes ago, oakdb36 said:

Jon Gruden : “ We drafted a safety two years ago in the first round and one last year in the 2nd round . We can’t keep drafting safety’s with premium draft picks . We have to do a better job coaching & developing these guys .”

Where did you see this?  I generally agree with the premise though. I still would have gone Minkah however. He's just a top 5 talent in the draft and can be used as more than just a safety.  I can't keep crying over spilt milk, but damn. Hopefully Joseph plays some FS this year.  Or at least not on TEs consistently. I like him, but he needs to step it up.  I will say better coaching and scheming will vastly improve our defense.  

 

As critical as I have been of the Miller pick, I love the notion of protecting Carr so its not all bad.  Only thing is I don't have much faith in Cable/Miller to work it out. Gruden does though so I guess we ride or die by that choice

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 This is interesting take on our draft from Walterfootball.com 

The Raiders have taken a lot of heat for a bad draft class, and I can understand questioning the early-round selections. However in the mid-rounds, the vast majority of players selected never pan out in the NFL. In fact, less than 50 percent of second-round picks make it as pros, so I think Oakland's strategy of taking some boom-or-bust players makes some sense. The Raiders could end up getting some massive steals from their third-day picks. 

Wisconsin cornerback Nick Nelson isn't really a boom-or-bust selection. He was graded as a second-rounder across the league but slipped because of a meniscus tear. That injury is supposed to be healed by training camp, so Nelson could definitely be a steal for Oakland. Fifth-round pick Maurice Hurst was a consensus second-day pick who could be a dynamic interior pass-rusher. He slipped because of concerns over a heart issue, and if that doesn't hold him back, then he will be a great value. Azeem Victor was being projected to Day 2 prior to a rough 2017. In the seventh round, the Raiders took wide receiver Marcell Ateman, who has mismatch size potential. Overall, I think Oakland could end up having some big-time steals from its third-day group.

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1 hour ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

 This is interesting take on our draft from Walterfootball.com 

The Raiders have taken a lot of heat for a bad draft class, and I can understand questioning the early-round selections. However in the mid-rounds, the vast majority of players selected never pan out in the NFL. In fact, less than 50 percent of second-round picks make it as pros, so I think Oakland's strategy of taking some boom-or-bust players makes some sense. The Raiders could end up getting some massive steals from their third-day picks. 

Wisconsin cornerback Nick Nelson isn't really a boom-or-bust selection. He was graded as a second-rounder across the league but slipped because of a meniscus tear. That injury is supposed to be healed by training camp, so Nelson could definitely be a steal for Oakland. Fifth-round pick Maurice Hurst was a consensus second-day pick who could be a dynamic interior pass-rusher. He slipped because of concerns over a heart issue, and if that doesn't hold him back, then he will be a great value. Azeem Victor was being projected to Day 2 prior to a rough 2017. In the seventh round, the Raiders took wide receiver Marcell Ateman, who has mismatch size potential. Overall, I think Oakland could end up having some big-time steals from its third-day group.

It wouldn't be too surprising if we come away from this draft with 5 starters (both OTs, a 3T, Townsend and Key), which would make for a great class. But at this point, Townsend is the safest pick so i can understand the skepticism.

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2 hours ago, oakdb36 said:

It wouldn't be too surprising if we come away from this draft with 5 starters (both OTs, a 3T, Townsend and Key), which would make for a great class. But at this point, Townsend is the safest pick so i can understand the skepticism.

I would not count the punter as a successful pick even if he becomes a top five P in the league.  Only 3 of the top ten net avg punters were drafted (2 5ths and 1 6th) and one of them was drafted by us.  None of the top five punters were drafted also.  It is just not needed especially drafting the 3rd punter in the draft.  I understand the need but it is the position you are most likely to just find someone off the street that can do it.

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If it was Michael Dickson I would be a little less critical but I believe the team panicked when they saw the top 2 punters go off the board.  Would have rather taken Ejiofor, Senet, St. Brown, or Hamilton at that point.

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18 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

If it was Michael Dickson I would be a little less critical but I believe the team panicked when they saw the top 2 punters go off the board.  Would have rather taken Ejiofor, Senet, St. Brown, or Hamilton at that point.

I think it was less of a panic and more of a "follow your board" which Reggie is religious about especially in the later rounds.

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1 hour ago, drfrey13 said:

I would not count the punter as a successful pick even if he becomes a top five P in the league.  Only 3 of the top ten net avg punters were drafted (2 5ths and 1 6th) and one of them was drafted by us.  None of the top five punters were drafted also.  It is just not needed especially drafting the 3rd punter in the draft.  I understand the need but it is the position you are most likely to just find someone off the street that can do it.

I agree with this. I hated that pick because 1) It was a need that was unnecessarily created by cutting a decent punter. 2) If you had to cut him, there are vets to sign 3) You can find these guys as FAs

The you look at the board and you took a punter over. RB John Kelly. Some upside pass rushers in Duke Eliofor, Kylie Fitts. Jack Cichy when you need LBs.

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3 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

I agree with this. I hated that pick because 1) It was a need that was unnecessarily created by cutting a decent punter. 2) If you had to cut him, there are vets to sign 3) You can find these guys as FAs

The you look at the board and you took a punter over. RB John Kelly. Some upside pass rushers in Duke Eliofor, Kylie Fitts. Jack Cichy when you need LBs.

Yup they did. Noted. You disagree with their board.

And there was more than one reason why King was cut.

But nitpicking the draft is par for the course this time of year.

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36 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

I agree with this. I hated that pick because 1) It was a need that was unnecessarily created by cutting a decent punter. 2) If you had to cut him, there are vets to sign 3) You can find these guys as FAs

The you look at the board and you took a punter over. RB John Kelly. Some upside pass rushers in Duke Eliofor, Kylie Fitts. Jack Cichy when you need LBs.

Oooo it’s cliche I know more than the gm routine..same people staying the course. give it a rest

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2 hours ago, big_palooka said:

I agree with this. I hated that pick because 1) It was a need that was unnecessarily created by cutting a decent punter. 2) If you had to cut him, there are vets to sign 3) You can find these guys as FAs

The you look at the board and you took a punter over. RB John Kelly. Some upside pass rushers in Duke Eliofor, Kylie Fitts. Jack Cichy when you need LBs.

I was pretty upset at first with cutting King(still a little upset), but at the same time I hate using so much cap space on a punter.  Fitts cant stay healthy or he would have been picked higher so he has a ways to go to prove he can stay on the field.  I think you and I agree on the LB position though.  Its been ignored for a long time and needs to be addressed properly.  I think our middling or lower rated defense shows that.  Im hoping the improvements to the Dline help our LBs, but we need to get that leader in the middle of the D.(yes Ive mentioned this plenty).

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1 hour ago, Humble_Beast said:

Oooo it’s cliche I know more than the gm routine..same people staying the course. give it a rest

So I am suppose to just blindly follow the FO on every move if I agree or not?

Sorry... I don't drink the koolaid. This is a forum for debate. I'll never agree with drafting K/P above round 7 unless they are sure bets. I don't like the value. 

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3 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

So I am suppose to just blindly follow the FO on every move if I agree or not?

Sorry... I don't drink the koolaid. This is a forum for debate. I'll never agree with drafting K/P above round 7 unless they are sure bets. I don't like the value. 

No one is saying you should. Just saying that repeating this same stuff 10 plus times in different treads is a bit much.

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9 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said:

No one is saying you should. Just saying that repeating this same stuff 10 plus times in different treads is a bit much.

I've  not made a single post regarding drafting the punter and my preference for not doing so......

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1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

I've  not made a single post regarding drafting the punter and my preference for not doing so......

Then I obviously wasn't talking about that specifically.

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