quiller Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: Give me the tight end. Up until Jarwin’s game this weekend, TE was widely seen as our worst position group. We’ve invested quite a bit in the WR group, and it’s looking strong for next year, even if we lose Cole. If Jarwin carries us through the playoffs, then maybe we can revisit. Otherwise, all things being equal, I’ll take the TE. That said, I want best weapon for Dak on the board. If the WR is better, I’ll take him. This TE class is deep, one will be available later. With what we have seen second half of the year from our TE as a group with Swain Jarvin And Shultz I see bigger need then TE or WR. I want improved OL play and depth and a upgrade of Heath at safety and more depth at LB as Lee will probably retire them maybe DT or NT type. So in order OT. - DT/NT - SS - LB - swing tackle or center to develope Though depending on who is available 3-5 is open ended to me but I want OT in second history has shown you need 1st or 2nd round talent at the OL level to be elite and with Elliot I want a elite OL depending how play offs go we might see a trade to get in 1st rd also I want to resign Beasley Unless Austin explodes in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 hours ago, quiller said: With what we have seen second half of the year from our TE as a group with Swain Jarvin And Shultz I see bigger need then TE or WR. I want improved OL play and depth and a upgrade of Heath at safety and more depth at LB as Lee will probably retire them maybe DT or NT type. So in order OT. - DT/NT - SS - LB - swing tackle or center to develope Though depending on who is available 3-5 is open ended to me but I want OT in second history has shown you need 1st or 2nd round talent at the OL level to be elite and with Elliot I want a elite OL depending how play offs go we might see a trade to get in 1st rd also I want to resign Beasley Unless Austin explodes in the playoffs If you spend our 2nd round pick on an offensive tackle, what is your plan for him? Replace La’el Collins in 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 47 minutes ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: If you spend our 2nd round pick on an offensive tackle, what is your plan for him? Replace La’el Collins in 2020? Exactly. There’s a difference between recognizing that we need our players to get healthy vs. draft new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I can see OT fitting somewhere high in the mix. Collins is an UFA after 2019 and given the rates probably $10m/yr. Tyron hasn't exactly been a picture of health the last couple of seasons, he's closing in on 30 and there is only one more dead money hurdle to jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 I really don't have a problem taking an OT high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Yeah a backup OT would be great with our first pick!!! Barf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, plan9misfit said: Exactly. There’s a difference between recognizing that we need our players to get healthy vs. draft new players. I wouldnt mind Trey Adam's or Edward's if they are both there in the 3rd. Wouldnt be horrible to draft some insurance in case Tyron goes down again. Hes been taken out way too much this year and I'm worried if that continues or even gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: I wouldnt mind Trey Adam's or Edward's if they are both there in the 3rd. Wouldnt be horrible to draft some insurance in case Tyron goes down again. Hes been taken out way too much this year and I'm worried if that continues or even gets worse. You know me well enough to know that I’ll never complain if we draft o-line or d-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: I wouldnt mind Trey Adam's or Edward's if they are both there in the 3rd. Wouldnt be horrible to draft some insurance in case Tyron goes down again. Hes been taken out way too much this year and I'm worried if that continues or even gets worse. He missed two games and Edward's played really well in both. He was held on week 17, along with Martin, and Zeke but that shouldn't be held against him. Edwards was over matched against Vernon but wouldn't have been playing at all if the game mattered. Spending a 2nd on another OT to maybe play a game or two per season is dumb. Unless he is far and away the BPA. Then okay I guess. But we have Tyron, Collins, Edward's, Martin who was a LT in college and Connor Williams who was a left tackle in college. That's 4 first round talents who played Left tackle when they were drafted plus Kadeem Edwards. At some point you need to address other areas. @quiller said he wanted an elite OL with Zeke. Ignoring that they were a top 7 OL this year run blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, DaBoys said: He missed two games and Edward's played really well in both. He was held on week 17, along with Martin, and Zeke but that shouldn't be held against him. Edwards was over matched against Vernon but wouldn't have been playing at all if the game mattered. Spending a 2nd on another OT to maybe play a game or two per season is dumb. Unless he 8s far and away the BPA. Then okay I guess. But we have Tyron, Collins, Edward's, Martin who was a LT in college and Connor Williams who was a left tackle in college. That's 4 first round talents who played Left tackle when they were drafted plus Kadeem Edwards. Do you mean Fleming? Cause I've only seen him sub for Tyron. Course I missed 3 games this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Just now, Calvert28 said: Do you mean Fleming? Yeah I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Tyron Smith just turned 28. You don't address his injury uncertainties by blowing a premium pick on his backup. You address issues like that with free agency or developmental prospects like we did with Jeremy Parnell. The best argument I see is for an RT to replace La'El Collins in 2020. But that feels like we are spending a prime pick now to make a lateral move and save a little bit of money in the future. The purpose of team building is to get better. Replacing a solid RT with a draft pick you hope is also a solid RT is sometimes necessary because of the cap, but spending a premium draft pick now for what amounts to future cap savings seems like a weak move. Sitting there at our pick (or within reach) will be a stud TE, reliable WR, or disruptive DT who can come make an impact on day 1. Sign me up for one of those over OT almost certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: Tyron Smith just turned 28. You don't address his injury uncertainties by blowing a premium pick on his backup. You address issues like that with free agency or developmental prospects like we did with Jeremy Parnell. The best argument I see is for an RT to replace La'El Collins in 2020. But that feels like we are spending a prime pick now to make a lateral move and save a little bit of money in the future. The purpose of team building is to get better. Replacing a solid RT with a draft pick you hope is also a solid RT is sometimes necessary because of the cap, but spending a premium draft pick now for what amounts to future cap savings seems like a weak move. Sitting there at our pick (or within reach) will be a stud TE, reliable WR, or disruptive DT who can come make an impact on day 1. Sign me up for one of those over OT almost certainly. 3rd rounder is not a premium pick. Neither is a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: Tyron Smith just turned 28. You don't address his injury uncertainties by blowing a premium pick on his backup. You address issues like that with free agency or developmental prospects like we did with Jeremy Parnell. The best argument I see is for an RT to replace La'El Collins in 2020. But that feels like we are spending a prime pick now to make a lateral move and save a little bit of money in the future. The purpose of team building is to get better. Replacing a solid RT with a draft pick you hope is also a solid RT is sometimes necessary because of the cap, but spending a premium draft pick now for what amounts to future cap savings seems like a weak move. Sitting there at our pick (or within reach) will be a stud TE, reliable WR, or disruptive DT who can come make an impact on day 1. Sign me up for one of those over OT almost certainly. If an OL is the best player available you take him. As Belichick once said: "I dont understand drafting for need. If you reach for a lesser guy because of need there is no assurance he pans out. Then you are right were you started" <== Paraphrased. In the scenario that we do grab a RT... That ends up saving us ~$10m/yr we would have to pay Collins + we get a comp pick + we get to strengthen and train the dude for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 50 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: 3rd rounder is not a premium pick. Neither is a 2nd. I consider the first three rounds to be premium picks. I know that we’ve always disagreed on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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