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9 hours ago, Sugashane said:

I'm sure there are many more, but there is no denying that a person has to be a true football player as well. You get an athlete with a great work ethic (Hester or Smith) around a coach who is able to develop and drive them (Toub and Bradley/Babich for Smith) and you can get something special. Still, you're not just turning any athlete into something special, otherwise Terron Beckham would have been the second coming of Sweetness with his athletic gifts.

Oh yeah, I'm sure as well. My only point was I think more often than not, best football player beats athlete. I think Roquan clearly is the better football player over Edmunds. 

 

I dont hate Edmunds or anything though haha....just like Ro better.

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3 hours ago, MonserinNC said:

Oh yeah, I'm sure as well. My only point was I think more often than not, best football player beats athlete. I think Roquan clearly is the better football player over Edmunds. 

 

I dont hate Edmunds or anything though haha....just like Ro better.

Ah. I think i was a bit defensive because I need to justify some of the picks I made in my real time mocks... lol

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Oh, and I think we can probably stop with the Harold Landry stuff. Every team passed on him, some teams twice. He may end up being a good player, but for gods sake, the guy dropped like an anchor. His knees and back are evidently a huge issue. Getting Miller & Daniels, IMO, is a better haul than Daniels & Landry or Miller & Landry.

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13 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

Oh, and I think we can probably stop with the Harold Landry stuff. Every team passed on him, some teams twice. He may end up being a good player, but for gods sake, the guy dropped like an anchor. His knees and back are evidently a huge issue. Getting Miller & Daniels, IMO, is a better haul than Daniels & Landry or Miller & Landry.

A number of rookies haven't even signed yet, it is way too early to talk about who actually got a good haul. For all we know Miller or Daniels could suck.

Of course I highly doubt it, but most 1st and 2nd rounders fail to live up to the expectations their franchise has of them IMO. I think we have the safer two picks, Landry has the highest potential impact but the biggest bust factor too.

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7 hours ago, Sugashane said:

A number of rookies haven't even signed yet, it is way too early to talk about who actually got a good haul. For all we know Miller or Daniels could suck.

Of course I highly doubt it, but most 1st and 2nd rounders fail to live up to the expectations their franchise has of them IMO. I think we have the safer two picks, Landry has the highest potential impact but the biggest bust factor too.

Not having access to the medical of course, I think Landry’s fall has more to do with teams seeing him as a pass rush specialist rather than a 3-down player. Projected situational pass rushers rarely if ever go in round 1. I think he can be more than that, but that’s from my seat on the couch. Still being a top 50 pick suggests to me that teams think that in a pass rush specialist role he can be an impact player, but probably only in that role. 

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On 6/16/2018 at 10:01 AM, AZBearsFan said:

Not having access to the medical of course, I think Landry’s fall has more to do with teams seeing him as a pass rush specialist rather than a 3-down player. Projected situational pass rushers rarely if ever go in round 1. I think he can be more than that, but that’s from my seat on the couch. Still being a top 50 pick suggests to me that teams think that in a pass rush specialist role he can be an impact player, but probably only in that role. 

That is fair, though I disagree with the idea that being a passrush specialist should hurt him.

 

Even if he can only passrush, that is still gold in the NFL. I think anyone who is believed to be a very high end talent in that goes in the top 20, even if they are expected to get subbed out in run situations like Aldon Smith. To me personally, a great run defender with no pass rush is worth a top 50 pick (like Goldman, Shelton, D Harrison). A pass rush specialist is in higher demand and that pushes value to a first even if a one trick pony.

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On 4/29/2018 at 6:19 PM, dll2000 said:

Below is what I would have done different from Bears.  I'm not going to go deep into draft, because I haven't looked at that many guys. 

My draft class through 2 in 2018 would have been very similar to Bears, but instead of Smith I would have Edmunds and Landry.  

1.  Tremaine Edmunds - I love Roquan Smith, but give me the fast, huge monster with the high ceiling over the smaller stud.  

2. Harold Landry - Bends likes rubber and super fast first step.  Better than any edge rusher Bears have and 2nd best edge rusher in the draft.  Medicals may have pushed me away too.  Who knows.

3. James Daniels.  Already a thread on him. 

4. Anthony Miller. Ditto.  I think Oliver is/was the better value at this slot, but Miller fills a greater need.  

 Let me start by saying I really like Bears first 3 picks.  I think Roquan Smith was one of 5 or 6 best players in draft and I think Daniels is arguably best center in draft even though Bears said they are playing him at guard.  Miller was my favorite receiver after Calvin Ridley so I am happy with that pick too. 

Here is how I got there: 

3 teams traded up all around Bears.  I would have made a deal with one of those teams.  I said from start if forced to pick at 8 I would take Edmunds, but I wanted to trade down for Landry and pick up extra picks.  Hard to know what deal I could have made not being in a war room.  I am going to assume same thing as what other teams actually did.  I also know there is a butterfly effect when I do something different.  None of this matters anyway so calm down.

I would have made the Buffalo trade down because I would have took the first one I could since it was my plan from the start.   This is assuming of course I could have, but this is fantasy land at this point anyway.     I think it is an okay assumption.  TB was not going to pick a QB and Buffalo could have got their QB one slot cheaper by dealing with me.  I trump them.   Only way TB wins is if they scare Buf into thinking someone else is looking to trade ahead of them and that team covets Allen and not Rosen.

So in my fantasy world I now have 12, 53 and 56.

 Plan in my head right at time of trade is to take Landry at 12.  However, when my pick comes at 12 low and behold Edmunds is still on the board.  I take Tremaine Edmunds at 12.

Draft is going along and nobody is taking Landry because of medicals.   I am still looking to trade back into late first to get Landry.  I'm not giving up a 1.

For this scenario I am stuck with teams that actually made trades.   I am offering 53 and 56 and nobody wants them for their first as they all got better deals.  

Low and behold Landry falls to me at 39 without me giving up picks.  Its my lucky day.  I take Harold Landry at 39.  

 I said on the thread after first round I wanted Landry, Hernandez or Oliver with Bears at 39.  However, once we get Landry I really want Daniels to fix the interior of the line and corner is not as dire.   Daniels and Oliver are comparable talents.  

I make trade Titans made, except I take Daniels rather than Landry at 49.  I give up 53 and 56 - that is much more than Titans gave up to move there.  So it is realistic that they would jump at that.  We can't know if Daniels would have lasted another couple picks, but I think he would have.  Cowboys may have been next team to take him, but they wanted a player to be able to play tackle or guard.  

Now we are back in reality.  I take Miller same as Bears with same deal.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Harold Landry is better than Leonard Floyd? Ummm... No, just no. 

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39 minutes ago, pigsooie5 said:

Harold Landry is better than Leonard Floyd? Ummm... No, just no. 

As a passrusher Floyd did well the last two years when healthy, and improved as a run stopper last year too. Hopefully he takes the next step and finishes more plays this year rather than just frequent pressure, and obviously stays healthy.

 

As of right now Floyd is better as Landry is completely unproven as a pro, but he is pretty far from being a star. He is right now a solid passrusher, but nowhere near elite ATM.

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13 hours ago, Sugashane said:

As a passrusher Floyd did well the last two years when healthy, and improved as a run stopper last year too. Hopefully he takes the next step and finishes more plays this year rather than just frequent pressure, and obviously stays healthy.

 

As of right now Floyd is better as Landry is completely unproven as a pro, but he is pretty far from being a star. He is right now a solid passrusher, but nowhere near elite ATM.

I’d like to see what he can be with them letting him be a pure pass rusher at least on obvious passing downs. Hopefully Roquan’s presence allows that to be the case. 

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1 hour ago, AZBearsFan said:

I’d like to see what he can be with them letting him be a pure pass rusher at least on obvious passing downs. Hopefully Roquan’s presence allows that to be the case. 

 

Agreed, he was dropped into coverage way too often. I just hope they don't continue to do so and try to force Lynch into the rotation more than he is worth there, that will just put even more pressure on Floyd. If DT and Smith are healthy, then Floyd should get significantly more reps at least.

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