Jump to content

The 53: Player, Roster, & Acquisitions Talk


Mind Character

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Bringing in Pacman to change the culture. For the better. 

Ive literally heard it all at this point.

Well literally anything is better... when you hit rock bottom, only place is up

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

Probably so, he is probably looking for some type of guarantee of position.

That’s going to be hard to get here. He’s an average to slightly above average CB. Maybe on a short term deal let him fight it out with Gaines in camp who’s always hurt anyway. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

***UPDATED 7/26/18 --Training Camp****

 

Roster Weakness/Question Marks With Training Camp Starting Update

 

LT/OL: Joe Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000942053/article/joe-thomas-austin-corbett-is-a-guard-not-a-tackle) has made it clear to the public what those of us that watched Austin Corbett's film knew all along: That he is the furthest thing from a LT there is based on his movement skills, but he is still going to make a great interior OLineman. My words from the OP and what I've been saying since the draft: "I don't think Austin Corbett has the kick step athleticism to deal with pass rushers off the edge (Just watch the tape of him versus Myles Garrett in college); however, Corbett has pro-bowl ability at center or guard and likely can replace Tretter if he doesn't elevate his game or can replace Zeitler if his game falls off a cliff." He will likely be our future Center and a good one at that if he can master the pivot movement. Hopefully, UDFA Desmond Harrison can still prove to be a viable option as he has all the traits one desires in a developmental LT with potential pro-bowl upside. The only question is will he work at it.Our line becomes a different force if both Chris Hubbard can hold it down on the right-side and Spencer Drango can prove to be an even better guard via skills development between last season and this one. Can Shon Coleman prove to be the LT of the future? I like his grit and toughness, but I ultimately think he's too stiff hipped and stiff in the ankles to move how he needs to in order to be effective. It will be interesting to see if a player falls off another roster that can help us here. Greg Robinson is a RT or RG... if he plays LT we're in trouble.

TE: With JG's reliability up in the air I foresee Njoku being used as our defacto number 3 WRs. That means that we'll likely go roster hunting for a do it all TE and carry heavier deth numbers at the TE position than we would otherwise. .

DT/NT:  Now that training camp has begun, I'm a little surprised that we didn't add another player inside. Those believing in Trenton Thompson from Georgia need to go back and watch his film from college in my opinion. He was overrated, lacked a motor, plays with poor leverage, and poor hand usage. Even when if he's healthy I wouldn't expect any type of real impact from him. As much as I love Larry Ogunobi, we still need a force up the middle that can provide both stout run stuffing power, but also provide a serious pass rushing threat. This will likely be the direction we go in next year's draft, but the combo of Trevon Coley and Jamie Meder did not get it done last year. In an ideal scenario, Brantley steps up as he is the ideal NT who is a better run stuffer than pass rusher, but provides enough juice in the pass rush to be a serious wrecking force against potent offenses. We really need Larry and Caleb to step up.

FS: We should've never got rid of King Kai Nacua...he's balling for the Ravens and will replace Eric Weddle when he steps away. Who's going to be a viable FS2 if Randall struggles or goes down for some time? Is it BBC? Is it Currie? This is a position where we need to target other teams' rosters and UDFA pool to create impact depth. UDFA Elijah Campbell from Northern Iowa has long-term starter impact based on his tape... he's a willing and forceful tackler and has natural ball skills. If he's a relentless worker he could be a really good player at FS if Randall doesn't make the impact we expect.

DE: I liked the Chris Smith signing as it gives us some juice and edge-setting strength, but Carl Nassib/Nate Orchard types have proven ineffective at creating a force and/or steady production off the edge. Is there a veteran that can help us here? I'd say a late camp addition Free Agent or late roster cut due to salary demands may help us boost the position's strength. Outside of additions, our defense's success all really comes down to 1. Can Myles and Emmanuel stay healthy? and 2. Can Ogbah raise his level of play as a  pass rusher? ... if those things happen, there's outside chance that this defense is a special one and we truly win 7 games. We'll see what we have with Chad Thomas... he's a power player whose pass rushing impact may be limited. He will provide good depth and has the hands and powerful punch to kick inside to provide length and burst in the interior pass rush.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The First 55 Projection (With the Addition of Mychal Kendricks The Last cut comes down to Carl Nassib and/or an OLineman)

**** As talent falls off other rosters, I expect the bottom of our roster to look much different and the defensive and offensive number of players kept to more equalize. Until then, this is an exercise to give a picture of what our roster could look like based on the best talent that I see on the roster at this time.****

The Browns 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (27)

Quarterbacks (3):

QB: Tyrod Taylor // Drew Stanton // Baker Mayfield

------------

Running Backs (3):

RB: Carlos Hyde // Nick Chubb // Duke Johnson // Practice Squad: Matthew Dayes

------------

Fullback (1):

FB: Danny Vitale;

------------

Wide Receivers (7):

WR1: Antonio Callaway // Veteran Signing (Dez Bryant or Someone Else) // Josh Gordon

WR2: Corey Coleman // Jeff Janis // Damion Ratley

Slot-WR: Jarvis Landry // (Duke Johnson)

------------

Tight Ends (3):

TE: David Njoku // Daniel Fells // Seth DeValve

------------

Offensive Linemen (10):

LT: Shon Coleman // Desmond Harrison

LG: Joel Bitonio // Austin Corbett

C: J.C. Tretter // Austin Reiter

RG: Kevin Zeitler // Spencer Drango

RT: Chris Hubbard // Greg Robinson

-------------------------

Defense (25)

Defensive linemen (9):

DE: Myles Garrett // Chris Smith

NT: Trevon Coley // Jamie Meder

DT: Larry Ogunjobi // Caleb Brantley

DE: Emmanuel Ogbah // Chad Thomas // Carl Nassib

------------

Linebackers (6):

SLB: Christian Kirksey // Mychal Kendricks

MLB: Joe Schobert // Genard Avery

WLB: Jamie Collins Sr. // James Burgess 

------------

Corner Backs (6):

CB: Denzel Ward // Vet Signing (Breeland OR Adam Jones)

CB: Terrance Mitchell // T.J. Carrie // E.J. Gaines // Practice Squad: Simeon Thomas

NCB: Briean Boddy-Calhoun

------------

Free Safeties (2):

FS: Damarious Randall // Elijah Campbell // (Briean Boddy-Calhoun)

------------

Strong Safeties (2):

SS: Jabrill Peppers // Derrick Kindred

------------

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Zane Gonzalez; 

Punter (1):Britton Colquitt;

Long snapper (1):Charley Hughlett

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

That’s going to be hard to get here. He’s an average to slightly above average CB. Maybe on a short term deal let him fight it out with Gaines in camp who’s always hurt anyway. 

100% agreed, no-one is guaranteed anything on this team.Thats how we got the hole in the first place.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We began looking for another CB when Howard Wilson was declared out for the year.

We have no true CB1 on our team outside of a projected rookie's game elevating.

TJ Carrie, Mitchell, Gaines, BBC, and a likely to be a practice squad player in Thomas are not exactly a winning CB room.

Some good talent for sure, but Pacman and Breeland both provide fantastic competition and elite defensive playmaking when healthy and focused.

Bring one of them in and let the cream rise to the top.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Mind Character said:

***UPDATED 7/26/18 --Training Camp****

 

Roster Weakness/Question Marks With Training Camp Starting Update

 

LT/OL: Joe Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000942053/article/joe-thomas-austin-corbett-is-a-guard-not-a-tackle) has made it clear to the public what those of us that watched Austin Corbett's film knew all along: That he is the furthest thing from a LT there is based on his movement skills, but he is still going to make a great interior OLineman. My words from the OP and what I've been saying since the draft: "I don't think Austin Corbett has the kick step athleticism to deal with pass rushers off the edge (Just watch the tape of him versus Myles Garrett in college); however, Corbett has pro-bowl ability at center or guard and likely can replace Tretter if he doesn't elevate his game or can replace Zeitler if his game falls off a cliff." He will likely be our future Center and a good one at that if he can master the pivot movement. Hopefully, UDFA Desmond Harrison can still prove to be a viable option as he has all the traits one desires in a developmental LT with potential pro-bowl upside. The only question is will he work at it.Our line becomes a different force if both Chris Hubbard can hold it down on the right-side and Spencer Drango can prove to be an even better guard via skills development between last season and this one. Can Shon Coleman prove to be the LT of the future? I like his grit and toughness, but I ultimately think he's too stiff hipped and stiff in the ankles to move how he needs to in order to be effective. It will be interesting to see if a player falls off another roster that can help us here. Greg Robinson is a RT or RG... if he plays LT we're in trouble.

TE: With JG's reliability up in the air I foresee Njoku being used as our defacto number 3 WRs. That means that we'll likely go roster hunting for a do it all TE and carry heavier deth numbers at the TE position than we would otherwise. .

DT/NT:  Now that training camp has begun, I'm a little surprised that we didn't add another player inside. Those believing in Trenton Thompson from Georgia need to go back and watch his film from college in my opinion. He was overrated, lacked a motor, plays with poor leverage, and poor hand usage. Even when if he's healthy I wouldn't expect any type of real impact from him. As much as I love Larry Ogunobi, we still need a force up the middle that can provide both stout run stuffing power, but also provide a serious pass rushing threat. This will likely be the direction we go in next year's draft, but the combo of Trevon Coley and Jamie Meder did not get it done last year. In an ideal scenario, Brantley steps up as he is the ideal NT who is a better run stuffer than pass rusher, but provides enough juice in the pass rush to be a serious wrecking force against potent offenses. We really need Larry and Caleb to step up.

FS: We should've never got rid of King Kai Nacua...he's balling for the Ravens and will replace Eric Weddle when he steps away. Who's going to be a viable FS2 if Randall struggles or goes down for some time? Is it BBC? Is it Currie? This is a position where we need to target other teams' rosters and UDFA pool to create impact depth. UDFA Elijah Campbell from Northern Iowa has long-term starter impact based on his tape... he's a willing and forceful tackler and has natural ball skills. If he's a relentless worker he could be a really good player at FS if Randall doesn't make the impact we expect.

DE: I liked the Chris Smith signing as it gives us some juice and edge-setting strength, but Carl Nassib/Nate Orchard types have proven ineffective at creating a force and/or steady production off the edge. Is there a veteran that can help us here? I'd say a late camp addition Free Agent or late roster cut due to salary demands may help us boost the position's strength. Outside of additions, our defense's success all really comes down to 1. Can Myles and Emmanuel stay healthy? and 2. Can Ogbah raise his level of play as a  pass rusher? ... if those things happen, there's outside chance that this defense is a special one and we truly win 7 games. We'll see what we have with Chad Thomas... he's a power player whose pass rushing impact may be limited. He will provide good depth and has the hands and powerful punch to kick inside to provide length and burst in the interior pass rush.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The First 55 Projection (With the Addition of Mychal Kendricks The Last cut comes down to Carl Nassib and/or an OLineman)

**** As talent falls off other rosters, I expect the bottom of our roster to look much different and the defensive and offensive number of players kept to more equalize. Until then, this is an exercise to give a picture of what our roster could look like based on the best talent that I see on the roster at this time.****

The Browns 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (27)

Quarterbacks (3):

QB: Tyrod Taylor // Drew Stanton // Baker Mayfield

------------

Running Backs (3):

RB: Carlos Hyde // Nick Chubb // Duke Johnson // Practice Squad: Matthew Dayes

------------

Fullback (1):

FB: Danny Vitale;

------------

Wide Receivers (7):

WR1: Antonio Callaway // Veteran Signing (Dez Bryant or Someone Else) // Josh Gordon

WR2: Corey Coleman // Jeff Janis // Damion Ratley

Slot-WR: Jarvis Landry // (Duke Johnson)

------------

Tight Ends (3):

TE: David Njoku // Daniel Fells // Seth DeValve

------------

Offensive Linemen (10):

LT: Shon Coleman // Desmond Harrison

LG: Joel Bitonio // Austin Corbett

C: J.C. Tretter // Austin Reiter

RG: Kevin Zeitler // Spencer Drango

RT: Chris Hubbard // Greg Robinson

-------------------------

Defense (25)

Defensive linemen (9):

DE: Myles Garrett // Chris Smith

NT: Trevon Coley // Jamie Meder

DT: Larry Ogunjobi // Caleb Brantley

DE: Emmanuel Ogbah // Chad Thomas // Carl Nassib

------------

Linebackers (6):

SLB: Christian Kirksey // Mychal Kendricks

MLB: Joe Schobert // Genard Avery

WLB: Jamie Collins Sr. // James Burgess 

------------

Corner Backs (6):

CB: Denzel Ward // Vet Signing (Breeland OR Adam Jones)

CB: Terrance Mitchell // T.J. Carrie // E.J. Gaines // Practice Squad: Simeon Thomas

NCB: Briean Boddy-Calhoun

------------

Free Safeties (2):

FS: Damarious Randall // Elijah Campbell // (Briean Boddy-Calhoun)

------------

Strong Safeties (2):

SS: Jabrill Peppers // Derrick Kindred

------------

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Zane Gonzalez; 

Punter (1):Britton Colquitt;

Long snapper (1):Charley Hughlett

Has anybody ever told you that you should start a blog? Do a little paid search advertising with some display + boosted FB posts and promoted Tweets to get some traffic resulting in other companies paying to advertise on your site which makes you $$$?

Not that I agree/disagree with your comments but it seems like your posts are very well thought out and obviously takes some time and you clearly like to write/analyze.

If you need some help with site creation and traffic hit me up. Heres my card 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Mind Character said:

We began looking for another CB when Howard Wilson was declared out for the year.

We have no true CB1 on our team outside of a projected rookie's game elevating.

TJ Carrie, Mitchell, Gaines, BBC, and a likely to be a practice squad player in Thomas are not exactly a winning CB room.

Some good talent for sure, but Pacman and Breeland both provide fantastic competition and elite defensive playmaking when healthy and focused.

Bring one of them in and let the cream rise to the top.

I’m down for an extra body but not Pac Man and all he brings. Breeland is a better option to me. Can be a decent outside corner and still has a possible long-term contract ahead of him. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, NateDawg said:

I’m down for an extra body but not Pac Man and all he brings. Breeland is a better option to me. Can be a decent outside corner and still has a possible long-term contract ahead of him. 

Breeland is a better option. DRC is also a better option. What is up all of a sudden with the Browns entertaining bringing in head cases around a super young developing team.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said:

Breeland is a better option. DRC is also a better option. What is up all of a sudden with the Browns entertaining bringing in head cases around a super young developing team.

I forgot DRC was out there... sheesh.. he had a tremendous season 2 years ago... I'd love to kick the tires to see if he can give us one solid year....

I don't know much about Adam Jones' recent developments and maturity, but if he has indeed grown up off the field "PacMan Love the strip clubs".. lol.. then it can help to bring those types of guys in to tell younger players what not to do... and the pitfalls of being young, rich, and a star professional football player...

Outside of a recent run in at the airport and the bad unsportsmanlike hit against Antonio Brown a few years ago... Adam Jones has not been a liability in terms of maturity issues that we in the public have been made aware of...

He's always been an ultra competitor, a good punt returner/special teams player, and a guy that loves and gives his all to football....

If Dorsey and Co... do the appropriate background work... it might not be as bad of a signing as it seems...

Talent wise... Pacman is still a better player than Breeland even at this later stage of his career...

I  wonder what could be going on with DRC ... where his name isn't buzzing around the league..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, AkronsWitness said:

Has anybody ever told you that you should start a blog? Do a little paid search advertising with some display + boosted FB posts and promoted Tweets to get some traffic resulting in other companies paying to advertise on your site which makes you $$$?

Not that I agree/disagree with your comments but it seems like your posts are very well thought out and obviously takes some time and you clearly like to write/analyze.

If you need some help with site creation and traffic hit me up. Heres my card 

 

Much respect.... Salute to you... I have been told that before, but I'm just not that committed nor do I truly believe in my nonsense enough to do something like that... maybe one day.. until then... I will occasionally keep posting long walls of text for my fellow FF bretheren to post skip over...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.




×
×
  • Create New...