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6 hours ago, NudeTayne said:

@Rod Johnson, watch your back, my friend.

I've spent the entire off-season training on a pommel horse so my balance should be good.

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4 hours ago, MWil23 said:

Don't get me wrong, I like Randall, but I guess I see things like this:

CB, Ward: Very confident

CB, not Ward: I think that they'll be average

FS, Randall: Cautiously optimistic. His own teammates couldn't stand him. That sometimes speaks volumes

SS, Peppers: I didn't like his game coming from UM, but I'm giving him a fresh slate this year. I hope that he's solid if he's used as a traditional box safety, but if they try to use him in the slot, he'll get roasted.

SS, Kindred: Meh...he's ok.

I think Peppers will make a huge leap this year for 2 reasons, 1st he will have the NFL speed down a lot better then last year. 2nd he will be playing his more natural position imo. Also I think Randall will be better then you think or he was in GB because he will also be playing his more natural position. I think our defense as a whole will be rated too 10 maybe even top 5 in the league. With a much better secondary Garrett and Ogbah are gonna tare up some QB's imo. 

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16 minutes ago, buckeyesNut0623 said:

I think Peppers will make a huge leap this year for 2 reasons, 1st he will have the NFL speed down a lot better then last year. 2nd he will be playing his more natural position imo. Also I think Randall will be better then you think or he was in GB because he will also be playing his more natural position. I think our defense as a whole will be rated too 10 maybe even top 5 in the league. With a much better secondary Garrett and Ogbah are gonna tare up some QB's imo. 

The potential is there, a LOT hinges on the ability of Garrent and Ogbah to remain healthy, and a lot depends on our interior DLine.  I am confident in our safeties.  I am confident in our LBs, even though I read the team is not happy that all 3 are better at MLB and we don't have any ideal OLB.  I am optimistic about our CBs, I think they will be much better than last year, we just have to see how good they will e in reality.

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Drafting Myles, Baker, and Denzel makes this teams future incredibly interesting to me. I’m noticing more and more teams are switching to being heavy offensive teams once they’ve had to pay a franchise QB.

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5 hours ago, Rod Johnson said:

I've spent the entire off-season training on a pommel horse so my balance should be good.

So, you are going to walk/move on your hands?

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13 hours ago, bruceb said:

So, you are going to walk/move on your hands?

Yes and block with my feet.

Joe Thomas has been helping me with my technique a lot this off-season.

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We may have found our future FS1 in the UDFA pool. Elijah Campbell from Northern Iowa has long-term starter impact based on his tape... he's a willing and forceful tackler and has natural ball skills. If he's a relentless worker he could be a really good player at FS if Randall doesn't make the impact we expect.

 

 

 

 

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4.27 for a fs? That is fast. No one scores a long td again if that is legit.

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We found our franchise FS last year in Nacua and isht the bed letting him be a pro bowler elsewhere. Whatever.

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16 hours ago, Mind Character said:

We may have found our future FS1 in the UDFA pool. Elijah Campbell from Northern Iowa has long-term starter impact based on his tape... he's a willing and forceful tackler and has natural ball skills. If he's a relentless worker he could be a really good player at FS if Randall doesn't make the impact we expect.

 

 

 

 

Hmmm where are the flaws?  There has to be something.  Otherwise he would be drafted.  Risk taker that gets burned when he misses?  Poor reads?  Poor technique?

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@DizzyDean

Was released from scholarship from Northern Illinois due to off field issues... transferred to 3 schools in 4 years.... spent 2 years in JUCO... these are the types of players that make it to the UDFA pool. Ultra talented... got his life and game together the last year... upside is through the roof..

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On 4/30/2018 at 2:33 PM, Mind Character said:

What the Roster Is Vs. Isn't:

The good news is that we have thoroughly uplifted the talent and within-position competition for this roster in ways that will have us compete and stay in ball games throughout the entirety of the season. However, those that expect this team to strongly compete for 7-8 wins given our grueling schedule will be in for a rude awakening come the start of the season.

I expect this team to be a 5-6 win team, and if we do so given our schedule so long as we compete in games and young players play well, it will be an enjoyable and fruitful season. If a lot of things come to fruition (Myles and Ogbah stay healthy, Coleman and Hubbard play well, Ogunjobi and Brantley/Coley elevate their game, Denzel Ward plays like the number 4 pick, our other CBs play well, Jabrill takes another step as a SS, Damarious Randall plays well at FS, Josh Gordon stays clean and healthy, David Njoku stays healthy and has improved... then I could definitely see this team being an 8-win team no question...

Roster Weakness/Question Marks:

DT/NT: As much as I love Larry Ogunobi, we still need a force up the middle that can provide both stout run stuffing power, but also provide a serious pass rushing threat. This will likely be the direction we go in next year's draft, but the combo of Trevon Coley and Jamie Meder did not get it done last year. In an ideal scenario, Brantley steps up as he is the ideal NT who is a better run stuffer than pass rusher, but provides enough juice in the pass rush to be a serious wrecking force against potent offenses. We really need Larry and Caleb to step up.

TE: Count me as one of the individuals that hopes we can target a UDFA or veteran cut from another team to bring in another pass catching TE as I don't really believe in DeValve's impact in the event that Njoku goes down for a bit. Seth is serviceable, but he lacks any quick twitch and quick/explosive route running ability. There will be someone available by the time of 53-man roster cuts... hopefully this somebody has longer term starter upside. Daniel Fells was a really good signing... better than most understand... he does it all and does it at a solid level.

LT/OL: Hopefully, UDFA Desmond Harrison can prove to be a viable option as he has all the traits one desires in a developmental LT with potential pro-bowl upside. The only question is will he work at it. I don't think Austin Corbett has the kick step athleticism to deal with pass rushers off the edge (Just watch the tape of him versus Myles Garrett in college); however, Corbett has pro-bowl ability at center or guard and likely can replace Tretter if he doesn't elevate his game or can replace Zeitler if his game falls off a cliff. Our line becomes a different force if both Chris Hubbard can hold it down on the right-side and Spencer Drango can prove to be an even better guard via skills development between last season and this one. Can Shon Coleman prove to be the LT of the future? I like his grit and toughness, but I ultimately think he's too stiff hipped and stiff in the ankles to move how he needs to in order to be effective. It will be interesting to see if a player falls off another roster that can help us here.

FS: No more King Kai Nacua... who's going to be a viable FS2 if Randall struggles or goes down for some time? Is it BBC? Is it Currie? This is a position where we need to target other teams' rosters and UDFA pool to create impact depth. UDFA Elijah Campbell from Northern Iowa has long-term starter impact based on his tape... he's a willing and forceful tackler and has natural ball skills. If he's a relentless worker he could be a really good player at FS if Randall doesn't make the impact we expect.

DE: I liked the Chris Smith signing as it gives us some juice and edge-setting strength, but Carl Nassib/Nate Orchard types have proven ineffective at creating a force and/or steady production off the edge. Is there a veteran that can help us here? I'd say a late camp addition Free Agent or late roster cut due to salary demands may help us boost the position's strength. Outside of additions, our defense's success all really comes down to 1. Can Myles and Emmanuel stay healthy? and 2. Can Ogbah raise his level of play as a  pass rusher? ... if those things happen, there's outside chance that this defense is a special one and we truly win 7 games. We'll see what we have with Chad Thomas... he's a power player whose pass rushing impact may be limited. He will provide good depth and has the hands and powerful punch to kick inside to provide length and burst in the interior pass rush.

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The First 53 Projection

**** As talent falls off other rosters, I expect the bottom of our roster to look much different and the defensive and offensive number of players kept to more equalize. Until then, this is an exercise to give a picture of what our roster could look like based on the best talent that I see on the roster at this time.****

The Browns 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (27)

Quarterbacks (3):

QB: Tyrod Taylor // Drew Stanton // Baker Mayfield

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Running Backs (3):

RB: Carlos Hyde // Nick Chubb // Duke Johnson // Practice Squad: Matthew Dayes

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Fullback (1):

FB: Danny Vitale;

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Wide Receivers (6):

WR1: Josh Gordon // Antonio Callaway

WR2: Corey Coleman // Jeff Janis // Damion Ratley

Slot-WR: Jarvis Landry // (Duke Johnson)

------------

Tight Ends (3):

TE: David Njoku // Daniel Fells // Seth DeValve

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Offensive Linemen (10):

LT: Shon Coleman // Desmond Harrison

LG: Joel Bitonio // Austin Corbett

C: J.C. Tretter // Austin Reiter

RG: Kevin Zeitler // Spencer Drango

RT: Chris Hubbard // Donald Stephenson

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Defense (23)

Defensive linemen (9):

DE: Myles Garrett // Chris Smith

NT: Trevon Coley // Jamie Meder

DT: Larry Ogunjobi // Caleb Brantley

DE: Emmanuel Ogbah // Chad Thomas // Carl Nassib

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Linebackers (5):

SLB: Christian Kirksey

MLB: Joe Schobert // Genard Avery

WLB: Jamie Collins Sr. // James Burgess 

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Corner Backs (6):

CB: Denzel Ward // Terrance Mitchell

CB: T.J. Carrie // E.J. Gaines // Howard Wilson // Practice Squad: Simeon Thomas

NCB: Briean Boddy-Calhoun

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Free Safeties (2):

FS: Damarious Randall // Elijah Campbell // (Briean Boddy-Calhoun)

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Strong Safeties (2):

SS: Jabrill Peppers // Derrick Kindred

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Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Zane Gonzalez; 

Punter (1):Britton Colquitt;

Long snapper (1):Charley Hughlett

We signed my 3rd favorite OLineman from the 2017 NFL Draft... OT/OG Avery Gennesy from TAMU....

His tape was impeccable as he has heavy hands..... competitive fire and is a fluid mover with good feet and a strong anchor. He played too tall and upright and had core strength issues. Unfortunately, he was typecast as a guard at 6ft3in and 318 pounds...he's not a guard in terms of movement and strength to move and pivot guys... he's a LT/RT... I could see him being a really good developmental OT on practice squad with longterm starter upside or beating out Donald Stephenson for a roster spot as I thought he was just that good.

 

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No way Gennesy plays T in the NFL. I could we him developing into a solid G. His bad technique mixed with his lack of flexibility/athleticism are a recipe for disaster at T. His kickslide moves him back like like 1/2 foot LOL

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15 minutes ago, pnies20 said:

No way Gennesy plays T in the NFL. I could we him developing into a solid G. His bad technique mixed with his lack of flexibility/athleticism are a recipe for disaster at T. His kickslide moves him back like like 1/2 foot LOL

I couldn't disagree more...

No way Chris Hubbard plays Tackle in the NFL... he could be solid guard....

Nope... I watched 2 seasons of play for Gennesy... he gets it done... just like Chris Hubbard... his technique is good and he's a fighter... he has the foot quickness and kickslide agility to get back to the fight point...

He's not body beautiful and his game doesn't look pretty, but he gets it done and at a high level...

I'd be willing to bet we try him at RT.

 

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***UPDATED 6/3/18 W/ Mychal Kendricks Signing****

 

What the Roster Is Vs. Isn't:

The good news is that we have thoroughly uplifted the talent and within-position competition for this roster in ways that will have us compete and stay in ball games throughout the entirety of the season. However, those that expect this team to strongly compete for 7-8 wins given our grueling schedule will be in for a rude awakening come the start of the season.

I expect this team to be a 5-6 win team, and if we do so given our schedule so long as we compete in games and young players play well, it will be an enjoyable and fruitful season. If a lot of things come to fruition (Myles and Ogbah stay healthy, Coleman and Hubbard play well, Ogunjobi and Brantley/Coley elevate their game, Denzel Ward plays like the number 4 pick, our other CBs play well, Jabrill takes another step as a SS, Damarious Randall plays well at FS, Josh Gordon stays clean and healthy, David Njoku stays healthy and has improved... then I could definitely see this team being an 8-win team no question...

Roster Weakness/Question Marks:

DT/NT: As much as I love Larry Ogunobi, we still need a force up the middle that can provide both stout run stuffing power, but also provide a serious pass rushing threat. This will likely be the direction we go in next year's draft, but the combo of Trevon Coley and Jamie Meder did not get it done last year. In an ideal scenario, Brantley steps up as he is the ideal NT who is a better run stuffer than pass rusher, but provides enough juice in the pass rush to be a serious wrecking force against potent offenses. We really need Larry and Caleb to step up.

TE: Count me as one of the individuals that hopes we can target a UDFA or veteran cut from another team to bring in another pass catching TE as I don't really believe in DeValve's impact in the event that Njoku goes down for a bit. Seth is serviceable, but he lacks any quick twitch and quick/explosive route running ability. There will be someone available by the time of 53-man roster cuts... hopefully this somebody has longer term starter upside. Daniel Fells was a really good signing... better than most understand... he does it all and does it at a solid level.

LT/OL: Hopefully, UDFA Desmond Harrison can prove to be a viable option as he has all the traits one desires in a developmental LT with potential pro-bowl upside. The only question is will he work at it. I don't think Austin Corbett has the kick step athleticism to deal with pass rushers off the edge (Just watch the tape of him versus Myles Garrett in college); however, Corbett has pro-bowl ability at center or guard and likely can replace Tretter if he doesn't elevate his game or can replace Zeitler if his game falls off a cliff. Our line becomes a different force if both Chris Hubbard can hold it down on the right-side and Spencer Drango can prove to be an even better guard via skills development between last season and this one. Can Shon Coleman prove to be the LT of the future? I like his grit and toughness, but I ultimately think he's too stiff hipped and stiff in the ankles to move how he needs to in order to be effective. It will be interesting to see if a player falls off another roster that can help us here.

FS: No more King Kai Nacua... who's going to be a viable FS2 if Randall struggles or goes down for some time? Is it BBC? Is it Currie? This is a position where we need to target other teams' rosters and UDFA pool to create impact depth. UDFA Elijah Campbell from Northern Iowa has long-term starter impact based on his tape... he's a willing and forceful tackler and has natural ball skills. If he's a relentless worker he could be a really good player at FS if Randall doesn't make the impact we expect.

DE: I liked the Chris Smith signing as it gives us some juice and edge-setting strength, but Carl Nassib/Nate Orchard types have proven ineffective at creating a force and/or steady production off the edge. Is there a veteran that can help us here? I'd say a late camp addition Free Agent or late roster cut due to salary demands may help us boost the position's strength. Outside of additions, our defense's success all really comes down to 1. Can Myles and Emmanuel stay healthy? and 2. Can Ogbah raise his level of play as a  pass rusher? ... if those things happen, there's outside chance that this defense is a special one and we truly win 7 games. We'll see what we have with Chad Thomas... he's a power player whose pass rushing impact may be limited. He will provide good depth and has the hands and powerful punch to kick inside to provide length and burst in the interior pass rush.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The First 54 Projection (With the Addition of Mychal Kendricks The Last cut comes down to Carl Nassib or an OLineman)

**** As talent falls off other rosters, I expect the bottom of our roster to look much different and the defensive and offensive number of players kept to more equalize. Until then, this is an exercise to give a picture of what our roster could look like based on the best talent that I see on the roster at this time.****

The Browns 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (26)

Quarterbacks (3):

QB: Tyrod Taylor // Drew Stanton // Baker Mayfield

------------

Running Backs (3):

RB: Carlos Hyde // Nick Chubb // Duke Johnson // Practice Squad: Matthew Dayes

------------

Fullback (1):

FB: Danny Vitale;

------------

Wide Receivers (6):

WR1: Josh Gordon // Antonio Callaway

WR2: Corey Coleman // Jeff Janis // Damion Ratley

Slot-WR: Jarvis Landry // (Duke Johnson)

------------

Tight Ends (3):

TE: David Njoku // Daniel Fells // Seth DeValve

------------

Offensive Linemen (10):

LT: Shon Coleman // Desmond Harrison

LG: Joel Bitonio // Austin Corbett

C: J.C. Tretter // Austin Reiter

RG: Kevin Zeitler // Spencer Drango

RT: Chris Hubbard // Donald Stephenson

-------------------------

Defense (25)

Defensive linemen (9):

DE: Myles Garrett // Chris Smith

NT: Trevon Coley // Jamie Meder

DT: Larry Ogunjobi // Caleb Brantley

DE: Emmanuel Ogbah // Chad Thomas // Carl Nassib

------------

Linebackers (6):

SLB: Christian Kirksey // Mychal Kendricks

MLB: Joe Schobert // Genard Avery

WLB: Jamie Collins Sr. // James Burgess 

------------

Corner Backs (6):

CB: Denzel Ward // Terrance Mitchell

CB: T.J. Carrie // E.J. Gaines // Howard Wilson // Practice Squad: Simeon Thomas

NCB: Briean Boddy-Calhoun

------------

Free Safeties (2):

FS: Damarious Randall // Elijah Campbell // (Briean Boddy-Calhoun)

------------

Strong Safeties (2):

SS: Jabrill Peppers // Derrick Kindred

------------

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Zane Gonzalez; 

Punter (1):Britton Colquitt;

Long snapper (1):Charley Hughlett

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