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32 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Where did I say anything about him not playing man?

He can't press or pedal. That's fine, let him turn and bail. I have no problem with them having him try and fail now. My point was that the past staff would have him play that way during the season too. If he doesn't get it, fine, he can perform just fine bailing.

You didn’t... I just felt it was heavily implied because Jackson was in a drill were he is man upping EQ and his first rep he gets beat.

Then the subsequent discussion was about past coaching staffs miss handling of players. That suggests to me you think Jackson can’t be and will never be a man corner and this coaching staff shouldn’t play him like that. And that they need to pay attention to him losing to EQ.

https://m.packers.com/news/video/first-impressions-josh-jackson-9087c1d3-8112-4547-80d0-204816956690

Larry McCarren goes over a few plays in college he played man, even press... and he did just fine. My point let the guy develop, see for yourself what he can and can’t do. To your point having a coaching staff play a guy out of position is bad... I would say already having a “set opinion” on what a rookie can and can’t do is bad because you will never develop him into his full potential, because you will never challenge him.

This is step one in their evaluation of Jackson (and every other player for that matter.)

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88 players on the roster at the moment, correct?

So looking at the numbers... 

Probably an OLB. 

Then a RB, TE or CB. 

They could still cut the LS... and other players.... obviously.

 

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17 minutes ago, Green19 said:

You didn’t... I just felt it was heavily implied because Jackson was in a drill were he is man upping EQ and his first rep he gets beat.

Then the subsequent discussion was about past coaching staffs miss handling of players. That suggests to me you think Jackson can’t be and will never be a man corner and this coaching staff shouldn’t play him like that. And that they need to pay attention to him losing to EQ.

https://m.packers.com/news/video/first-impressions-josh-jackson-9087c1d3-8112-4547-80d0-204816956690

Larry McCarren goes over a few plays in college he played man, even press... and he did just fine. My point let the guy develop, see for yourself what he can and can’t do. To your point having a coaching staff play a guy out of position is bad... I would say already having a “set opinion” on what a rookie can and can’t do is bad because you will never develop him into his full potential, because you will never challenge him.

This is step one in their evaluation of Jackson (and every other player for that matter.)

I don't think he'll ever be a press corner, that doesn't mean he can't play M2M.

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2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

I don't think he'll ever be a press corner, that doesn't mean he can't play M2M.

That’s fair. I think he will be just fine at it. He just isn’t a mauler in press, ala Richard Sherman. He presses, but never touches the guy at the line.

He is physical... at the top of the route. I hope Whitt and Pettine see that and teach him to be physical at the line instead. 

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7 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Dom Capers is a good coach.

Appearing on @WildeAndTausch, @HighRizer22 says a "new scheme and look is what we really needed." in reference to the Packers bringing in Pettine. "Obviously, the league caught up to it." he says in regards to Capers' scheme.

 

Don't think Tramon resigns in GB if Pettine had not replaced Capers.

I agree that Dom was a good coach ... at one point in time.

That point and that time certainly did NOT include 2016 or 2017.

Attributing all of the defense's mediocre to poor play the past couple of years to bad luck given all the resources the GM poured into that side of the ball makes no sense.

MM's reputation is, if anything, that he is TOO LOYAL to his players and coaches and even he had finally seen enough of Dom.

There is a reason no other NFL team swooped in to hire Dom after MM kicked him to the curb and that is because his sell by date expired some time ago.

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Lots of Love for Gilbert from McCarthy, hopefully he'll get a lot of snaps this year, looked great last year.

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Gilbert looking thicker, Kofi looks fit as ever. The 2nd year guys got me super excited right now. Jaire's short but I wouldn't call him small. Giving Oren 42 is hilarious, not hiding what his role is going to be.

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8 minutes ago, HighCalebR said:

Gilbert looking thicker, Kofi looks fit as ever. The 2nd year guys got me super excited right now. Jaire's short but I wouldn't call him small. Giving Oren 42 is hilarious, not hiding what his role is going to be.

It's kinda funny, Jaire is a bigger Randall and Jackson is a bigger Shields, and they're wearing their former numbers.

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1 hour ago, Gopackgonerd said:

It's kinda funny, Jaire is a bigger Randall and Jackson is a bigger Shields, and they're wearing their former numbers.

Uhhhh.... what? 

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2 hours ago, HighCalebR said:

Gilbert looking thicker, Kofi looks fit as ever. The 2nd year guys got me super excited right now. Jaire's short but I wouldn't call him small. Giving Oren 42 is hilarious, not hiding what his role is going to be.

He may have been the least fit player in TC last year so that's great to see. 

Dude looked like he was smuggling a tire under his jersey. He had a legit gut at the start of camp, which probably had to do with the fact he played closer to 285 in college and couldn't get to a healthy 300+ in such a short period of time (especially without an NFL conditioning program). 

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1 minute ago, Cadmus said:

Uhhhh.... what? 

A lil exaggerating, funny they took their numbers though.

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9 hours ago, TheOnlyThing said:

Appearing on @WildeAndTausch, @HighRizer22 says a "new scheme and look is what we really needed." in reference to the Packers bringing in Pettine. "Obviously, the league caught up to it." he says in regards to Capers' scheme.

 

Don't think Tramon resigns in GB if Pettine had not replaced Capers.

I agree that Dom was a good coach ... at one point in time.

That point and that time certainly did NOT include 2016 or 2017.

Attributing all of the defense's mediocre to poor play the past couple of years to bad luck given all the resources the GM poured into that side of the ball makes no sense.

MM's reputation is, if anything, that he is TOO LOYAL to his players and coaches and even he had finally seen enough of Dom.

There is a reason no other NFL team swooped in to hire Dom after MM kicked him to the curb and that is because his sell by date expired some time ago.

Nowhere did I attribute all of the defense's struggles to luck. The talent was mediocre. The mediocre talent was injured, and the coaching didn't produce well when put in an adverse situation when the previously mentioned things happened.

It being time for a new Defensive Coordinator and Dom Capers being a bad Defensive Coordinator are not mutually exclusive. There are times when it's time for a coach to move on. When his message has gotten stale and players aren't buying in anymore, you part ways, even if you think the guy is a good coach. 

The reason no other team hired Dom Capers in a consultant role is that Dom Capers didn't want to be in that kind of role at 68 years old. If you don't think Capers has something to offer teams even as a blitz specialist, you're crazy. 

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2 hours ago, Gopackgonerd said:

It's kinda funny, Jaire is a bigger Randall and Jackson is a bigger Shields, and they're wearing their former numbers.

What?

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