2019 NFL Draft - Quarterbacks

[ttitansfan4life]

23 hours ago, SteelKing728 said:

I like Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins and Will Grier this year.

What's their projected draft position right now?

Haskins is the top QB IMO. I think all 3 will likely go in the 1st due to teams consistently reaching for a QB. I was hoping Grier would fall to the 2nd and the Titans take him but I highly doubt that happens.

[Chargers]

Is Drew Lock any good? I haven't heard 1 good thing said about him all over the internet.

[MSURacerDT55]

3 hours ago, CWood21 said:

Great analysis there.  You call it nitpicking, I see someone who refuses to be critical.  This isn't a guy whose been on the prospect map for the past 2-3 years and has been analyzed to death, much like Sam Darnold was last year.  He's got legitimate question marks whether or not you refuse to admit it.  He's interesting in that he doesn't have any fatal flaws, but he's certainly not an elite prospect by any means.

Oh, I can be critical and if you've followed me, I have but I also recognize his ceiling. Here, ill give you one, he isn't at his best when he is under pressure, but even that he's progressively gotten better at. The difference between me and you is that im not afraid to go on record about his potential. Yes he is a one year starter with limited film but also it doesn't take all day to recognize sunshine. Some guys just have it

[Broncofan]

FWIW, since ppl are getting interested on Kyler Murray...

Since Boras is Murray's agent, assuming what Boras says is true - not working out for football teams, and showing up for MLB camp, means Murray is bypassing (or not training all-out football mode for) the Combine.   In either case, teams would be nuts to spend a Day 2 pick (let alone Rd1) pick on Murray.

Edited December 28, 2018 by Broncofan

[CWood21]

1 hour ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

Oh, I can be critical and if you've followed me, I have but I also recognize his ceiling. Here, ill give you one, he isn't at his best when he is under pressure, but even that he's progressively gotten better at. The difference between me and you is that im not afraid to go on record about his potential. Yes he is a one year starter with limited film but also it doesn't take all day to recognize sunshine. Some guys just have it

I'm not going to go through your post history, but based on what I've seen in the last few pages of this thread I'm not sure you're analyzing him critically enough.  You're willing to look at ceiling, but blowing absolutely right past the floor.  His play under pressure is alarming, and is something he'll need to clean up in the NFL because he won't have the clean pockets that he had at Ohio State.  And nobody is doubting his upside, but I'm not going to completely ignore floor which would end up seeing guys like EJ Manuel and Paxton Lynch going in the first round.  Teams are going to sink a top 10 pick in him, and that's incredibly rich for him.

[jrry32]

50 minutes ago, Broncofan said:

FWIW, since ppl are getting interested on Kyler Murray...

Since Boras is Murray's agent, assuming what Boras says is true - not working out for football teams, and showing up for MLB camp, means Murray is bypassing (or not training all-out football mode for) the Combine.   In either case, teams would be nuts to spend a Day 2 pick (let alone Rd1) pick on Murray.

Does Boras work as an agent for NFL players? I only recall him in baseball. If he only handles baseball, it may not be surprising why he's trying to steer Murray to baseball . . . .

1 hour ago, Classic said:

Is Drew Lock any good? I haven't heard 1 good thing said about him all over the internet.

He had a nice game against the Gators this year, but I haven't really sat down to evaluate him yet. The tools are very real, but the issue for him throughout his career has been consistency. It'll be interesting to see if he made any strides this year.

[DirtyDez]

Taking offers for Haskins.

[MSURacerDT55]

12 hours ago, CWood21 said:

I'm not going to go through your post history, but based on what I've seen in the last few pages of this thread I'm not sure you're analyzing him critically enough.  You're willing to look at ceiling, but blowing absolutely right past the floor.  His play under pressure is alarming, and is something he'll need to clean up in the NFL because he won't have the clean pockets that he had at Ohio State.  And nobody is doubting his upside, but I'm not going to completely ignore floor which would end up seeing guys like EJ Manuel and Paxton Lynch going in the first round.  Teams are going to sink a top 10 pick in him, and that's incredibly rich for him.

Thats fair, but im also not going to drill him on things that don't need drilling for the sake of being critical. Is he a complete prospect? no, but he has loads of correctable was and shows tons of natural/non-athletic ability 

[kgarrett12486]

15 hours ago, Classic said:

Is Drew Lock any good? I haven't heard 1 good thing said about him all over the internet.

He's Jay Cutler without the weird personality...

His game is almost a carbon copy...

[CWood21]

16 hours ago, DirtyDez said:

Taking offers for Haskins.

Not going to get the offers you're going to want, especially when it should (and would) be cheaper to move up to somewhere in that 3-5 range instead.  In 2016, when the Eagles moved up to select Carson Wentz they gave up their FRP (8th), third (77th), fourth (100th), '17 FRP and '18 SRP.  That's the kind of package that a team would have to give the Cardinals in order to bypass selecting Nick Bosa.  It seems highly unlikely either New York or Jacksonville would make that offer.  Moving up to #3 probably wouldn't cost any more than a first and third this year and a second next year, or something along those lines.  Neither Arizona or San Francisco are threats to take Haskins.

[CWood21]

4 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

Thats fair, but im also not going to drill him on things that don't need drilling for the sake of being critical. Is he a complete prospect? no, but he has loads of correctable was and shows tons of natural/non-athletic ability 

It's not drilling him for the sake of being critical.  That would be making up small, rather minor issues and putting them on blast, which isn't the case.  I question your ability to be critical of him if you're struggling to find things that are issues.  Your comment about him having "elite accuracy, anticipation field vision, and arm talent" really doesn't sound like someone whose looking at this objectively.  Honestly, any of the QBs in recent years (Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky, etc.) all have had notable issues around them as prospects.  Haskins is no different.  If you can't be critical of a player, you're probably not trying to.

[Forge]

3 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

Not going to get the offers you're going to want, especially when it should (and would) be cheaper to move up to somewhere in that 3-5 range instead.  In 2016, when the Eagles moved up to select Carson Wentz they gave up their FRP (8th), third (77th), fourth (100th), '17 FRP and '18 SRP.  That's the kind of package that a team would have to give the Cardinals in order to bypass selecting Nick Bosa.  It seems highly unlikely either New York or Jacksonville would make that offer.  Moving up to #3 probably wouldn't cost any more than a first and third this year and a second next year, or something along those lines.  Neither Arizona or San Francisco are threats to take Haskins.

Depending on if Jax really wants to move on from Ramsey, which I'm not sold on, they do have that as a tradeable asset to move up. Moving from 9 to 2 is the equivalent of a good first rounder. If I'm the niners and can't get Bosa I think there's a workable trade there without the jags giving up a boatload of picks. I'm not sure what the other pieces of the deal would be and which way they would go, but certainly workable...*if* they are really willing to move on

[Ozzy]

17 hours ago, CWood21 said:

I'm not going to go through your post history, but based on what I've seen in the last few pages of this thread I'm not sure you're analyzing him critically enough.  You're willing to look at ceiling, but blowing absolutely right past the floor.  His play under pressure is alarming, and is something he'll need to clean up in the NFL because he won't have the clean pockets that he had at Ohio State.  And nobody is doubting his upside, but I'm not going to completely ignore floor which would end up seeing guys like EJ Manuel and Paxton Lynch going in the first round.  Teams are going to sink a top 10 pick in him, and that's incredibly rich for him.

Very true, rarely has the NFL seen a unproven QB enter the league and be a successful high 1st round pick.  Mitchell Trubisky is the most recent example and so far he has kind of turned out well.  But he had a great JR year and lead that team to great success despite not being surrounding with elite talent, and played some his FR and SOPH years.  Sure they had Ryan Switzer at WR along with Austin Proehl and Bug Howard along with Logan at RB when he was a JR, not an awful group but not that amazing either.  Trubisky lead that group completely and was a huge reason for their success.

 

Haskins as a RS SOPH had a little work as a freshman and now the great season currently as a SOPH.  It is still very early no doubt.  And I again say his WR core with 6 if not 7 potential NFL receiver prospects helps a great deal.  Sure none have "broke out" yet to become this dominating player but who could on that roster.  At any time one of those 7 could go off for 70-100 yards and a few touchdowns.  Just look what Olave did their last few games, no one expected that.  Sure helps a QB when you got weapons all around and no one knows where he is going with it.  Haskins has for sure had a great year but if he is really successful and great in the NFL, it would be the first Ohio State QB arguably ever to do so and become an elite player.  

 

Will be interesting to watch Haskins against Washington and that DB group.   What he did against Michigan was crazy impressive just ripping them apart, that game was a joke and not even really a competition.  Honestly though any QB in this up coming draft, to take them in the top 10, no freaking thank you, especially with some of the talent available that is far more proven than any QB who could be drafted highly.  Will Haskins be the 1st QB taken in the draft if he comes out, probably but Will Grier has a chance as well but freaking is not playing in the bowl game.  At least Haskins is playing in it, I mean come on this is football and one could get injured at any point in time, if one worried that much about injury go play another spot.  Go ask Daniel Jones if playing in the bowl game yesterday might have helped his case and improved his stock, and even that kid is considered raw and he has played freaking three straight seasons as a starter ever since he was a RS freshman.  

[.Buzz]

48 minutes ago, Forge said:

Depending on if Jax really wants to move on from Ramsey, which I'm not sold on, they do have that as a tradeable asset to move up. Moving from 9 to 2 is the equivalent of a good first rounder. If I'm the niners and can't get Bosa I think there's a workable trade there without the jags giving up a boatload of picks. I'm not sure what the other pieces of the deal would be and which way they would go, but certainly workable...*if* they are really willing to move on

I still don't believe that report, but I guess we'll see.

If we can move up for the package you stated to move up to 3-4, I'd be for that.

Hopefully we move up a few spots this weekend regardless.

Edited December 28, 2018 by .Buzz

[Forge]

2 minutes ago, .Buzz said:

I still don't believe that report, but I guess we'll see.

If we can move up for the package you stated to move up to 3-4, I'd be for that.

Hopefully we move up a few spots this weekend regardless.

I'd be very surprised if they moved Ramsey, but weirder things have happened before, no doubt. And if they are dead set on getting up there in the draft to secure Haskins (if they end up liking him), then Ramsey as a trade piece makes a lot of sense so that they don't have to give up that kind of draft capital. Obviously, as a niners fan, I'd have a ton of interest in that trade. Unlikely, for sure, but I think it's something that is possible.