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THE NFL DRAFT REPORT PRESENTS

THE 2019 NFL DRAFT QUARTERBACK ANALYSIS - PART ONE

 

This is The NFL Draft Report’s series dealing with the 2019 National Football League Draft Quarterback Class. Part One provides readers with a bit of draft history at the position. The NFL has placed a great reliance on developing quarterback talent over the years, with 1,065 signal callers being drafted since the draft's inception in 1936, including 166 passers who enjoyed hearing their names called during the first round.

Part Two will closely examine some of the higher rated quarterbacks projected as potential first two days of draft round selections. It also features a look at the quarterback talent in the major Power-Five conferences. Part Three will take a look at a group of sleepers who could be nice finds during the third and fourth days of the draft procedure.

The spread offense is more prevalent than ever before in college football and as a result, evaluating the quarterback position has become increasingly more difficult than in the past. Scouts must poke and prod to project how a player will acclimate to the pro game and (usually) a significant system change. It’s also important to note that young signal callers are getting less time than ever to prove they are capable of leading an NFL offense.

 

THE NFL’S QUARTERBACK DRAFT INFATUATION

Among the 1,065 quarterbacks to be drafted, that figure included 703 signal-callers entering training camp since the two leagues officially merged in 1970 and 759 chosen since both leagues agreed to hold a universal draft beginning in 1967. Since the turn of the century in 2000, 236 of these quarterbacks have heard their names called on draft day.

That group of passers includes 166 first round choices used since 1936, with 113 coming after the merger (1967) and 53 joining the league since the year 2000. Within that opening round collection, 34 have been the top overall selection during their respective draft year, including four that earned Hall of Fame distinction.

Twenty other quarterbacks were the second choice in their respective drafts, sixteen others were taken with the third pick, eleven were the fourth selection and ten were the fifth player taken in their respective drafts, followed by eight with the seventh pick, three with the eighth choice, two with the ninth and seven with the tenth selection.

Among the first round quarterbacks are thirteen that eventually ended up earning Hall of Fame honors, including eight that were chosen within the first four selections. The measuring stick for elite quarterbacks – at least in the first round – has been Peyton Manning. Taken with the top pick in the 1998 draft by the Indianapolis Colts, among all first round quarterbacks, he leads that group in games played (266), games started (265), most victories (189), most pass completions (6,125), most pass attempts (9,380), most touchdown passes (539) and most yards passing.

John Hadl (tenth pick in the 1962 draft by Detroit) holds the dubious honor for throwing the most interceptions (268) among the first round passers - Manning ranks fifth on that chart with 251. Only nineteen first round quarterbacks have completed 2,500 passes during their career, while only eleven have attempted at least 5,000 throws. Ten signal-callers accounted for 250 touchdown tosses, but outside of Manning, only Miami’s Dan Marino (27th choice in 1983) has reached the 400-TD level (420).

Twelve of those first round quarterbacks have accounted for at least 40,000 yards passing. However, outside of Manning (71,940) and Marino (61,361), the only other first round picks to tally at least 50,000 aerial yards are Denver’s John Elway (51.475 yards; 1983-98), the top overall choice by Baltimore in 1983 before forcing a trade to the Broncos; Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger (56,194; 2004-present), the Giants' Eli Manning (55,981; 2004-present) and the Chargers' Philip Rivers (54,565; 2004-present). Those three 2004 first round draftees have combined for 166,831 yards passing.

Fifteen of these passers have recorded at least 200 interceptions. Behind Hadl, the only other quarterbacks with at least 250 interceptions are Manning (251), Marino (252), Norm Snead (1961 second overall pick by Washington, 257 thefts) and Vinny Testaverde (Tampa’s top pick in 1987, 267).

As for mobile quarterbacks, Michael Vick (top pick by Atlanta in 2001) leads the first round group with 6,109 yards rushing. Carolina's Cam Newton (2011-present) leads all first round passers with 58 touchdown runs, followed by Hall of Famer, Otto Graham (fourth choice in 1944 by Detroit; played from 1946-55)), who reached the end zone 44 times on the ground.

Being a first round quarterback does not lead to entitlement. Excluding the six quarterbacks selected in the opening round of the 2018 draft, twenty-two first round choices at the position played no more that fifteen games before their careers ended, including five that appeared in less than ten contests and two that never reached the playing field – Harry Agganis, the 12th overall pick by Cleveland in 1952, and New York Titans’ fifth overall choice in 1962, Sandy Stephens.

 

Whether he gets another chance to play in this league, or not, perhaps the most polarizing first rounder in recent years is Cleveland’s castoff, Johnny Manziel, the 22nd pick in the 2014 draft. His off-field issues left him with a 2-6 record as a starter, throwing for seven touchdowns and seven interceptions before getting the boot. He later appeared for two teams in the Canadian Football League in 2018, but was recently banned from playing up North due to violations from the agreement he signed in order to compete.

Don Allard was the fourth overall pick by Washington in 1959, but he appeared in just five games and never threw a pass before quitting after the 1962 season. San Francisco guru, the late Bill Walsh, missed the target badly with his first round selection of Jim Druckenmiller in 1997. In two season, the Virginia Tech grad had one touchdown and four interceptions in six appearances.

Rich Campbell went to Green Bay with the sixth pick in 1981, but never started the seven games he played in through the 1984 schedule. Bobby Garrett appeared in nine games and gained 143 yards passing after he was the top overall choice by Cleveland in 1954. Outside of Druckenmiller, the other first round quarterbacks to start only one game during their careers were the Rams’ Terry Baker )top pick in 1963), who lasted eighteen games as a reserve through three seasons and Stan Heath, the fifth overall pick by Green Bay in 1949 who appeared in twelve contests during that lone season in the league.

The first round quarterback to perform in at least 100 games with the least amount of starts was Rice’s King Hill, the top overall pick in the 1958 by the Chicago Cardinals. He moved with the team to St. Louis before playing in Philadelphia and Minnesota. He compiled a 7-22-1 record as a starter, generating 5,553 yards passing that included 37 touchdowns and 71 interceptions from the 1958-69 seasons. In Part Three of the Quarterback Position Analysis, I will examine the top performers to enter the draft at each of the other rounds.

 

DELVING INTO THE 2019 NFL DRAFT CONTROVERSY

NEVER DOUBT THE SIX-FOOT QUARTERBACK

For the football fan following the draft, more often than not, he will hear a reporter talking about a quarterback's "measurables" that seem to hold more water in evaluating players at the position, rather than that athlete's production. For college quarterbacks that measure under six-feet, two-inches, they will also see pro scouts who are generally wary of their height. What Baker Mayfield accomplished by being the top overall pick in the 2017 is not unprecedented (see Michael Vick), it is also extremely rare to see a short quarterback become the first-round selection.

How rare? In the last thirty years, NFL teams selected sixty-nine quarterbacks in the first round. Only four were listed at six-feet, one-inch or shorter: UCLA’s Cade McNown (6:01 in 1999), Virginia Tech’s Michael Vick (6:0 in 2001), Florida’s Rex Grossman (6:0 in 2003) and Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel (6:0 in 2014). Shorter quarterbacks don’t often get much love in the middle or later rounds, either. In the last decade, NFL teams selected 118 quarterbacks overall, only ten of whom were six-feet, one-inch or shorter.

The most successful under 6:01 quarterback from that list is Seattle's Russell Wilson. A third round choice in 2012, the 5:11 mobile passer has 96 starts and a Super Bowl victory to his credit. In 2011, Baltimore drafted current Cleveland Browns starting quarterback, Tyrod Taylor in the sixth round. The 6:01 passer was later sent to Buffalo and takes over first unit duties for the Browns boasting 43 starting assignments as a pro. 6:01 Colt McCoy was a third round choice in 2010, but later left the Browns for Washington, where he is currently a back-up, but has twenty starting assignments. The others? Out of the league or holding on to a roster spot as a third-string hopeful.

 

THE TALE OF THE TAPE FOR OKLAHOMA'S KYLER MURRAY

Perhaps the most polarizing player in the 2019 draft class, the Heisman Trophy winner has received a fair amount of praise for his performance in 2018, but he has also seen quite a few join those criticizing Kyler Murray, more so for what he has done away from the football field than on it.

Prior to the June 2018 Major League Baseball Draft, Murray assured general managers that he was fully committed to playing professional baseball. The Oakland Athletics believed the then back-up

quarterback was going to bypass the gridiron for a career on the baseball diamond, selecting him with the ninth overall pick. The outfielder had shown potential, batting .296 with ten home runs, 47 RBIs and ten stolen bases that season, a vast improvement from his 2017 college season, when he struggled to a .122 average through twenty-seven games.

Most other baseball organizations discounted the possibility of Murray ever playing the sport professionally, especially after he announced that he would return to school in 2018 to become the starting quarterback, and eventual Heisman Trophy winner, for Oklahoma. A's decision maker Billy Beane believed that Murray's desire to play baseball in the future had raised his draft stock from being a mere flyer to a serious prospect, as Beane surprised most observers by taking him so high.

Not everyone was convinced he was truly bent on giving up football, after being one of the top players in the country since his high school days.

However, within a couple of days of drafting him, the A's announced that the two sides had agreed on contract demands. A's scouting director Eric Kubota explained his team's decision to draft him thus: "I think, as a staff, we just felt like Kyler was a unique talent, and it's something that you come across rarely in what we do. The risk of the football was, in our opinion, outweighed by the upside on the baseball field."

Murray had reached that "sports crossroads" in the past, as he decided to not enter the 2015 MLB draft while coming out of high school to concentrate on playing football. At Allen (Tex.) High School, the consensus five-star recruit led his team to three straight state titles, as he never lost a game as a starting quarterback (43-0). He rolled up 14,500 rushing and passing yards and totaled 186 touch-downs in his three seasons. He went on to become the first player ever selected to play in Under Armour All-American games for both football and baseball.

Murray first enrolled at Texas A&M, the university where his father, Kevin, starred as a running back

(1983-86) and finished career holding virtually every season and career passing record. Kevin was also inducted into Texas A&M Athletic Hall of Fame in 1999 and the Cotton Bowl Hall of Fame in 2012. His son lasted eight games at the school, starting three of the eight games he appeared in during the 2015 season.

That year, Murray connected on 59.5% of his tosses (72-of-121) for 686 yards, five touchdowns and seven interceptions, adding 335 yards and a score on 63 carries (6.3 ypc). He then transferred to Oklahoma, sitting out the 2016 campaign before backing up 2017 Heisman Trophy winner, Baker Mayfield.

With Mayfield having been selected first overall by Cleveland in the 2017 draft, the Oakland A's granted him permission to return to school and play football in 2018. He would go on to have a banner season, as the consensus All-American completed 260-of-377 passes (69.0%) for 4,361 yards, 42 touchdowns and seven pass thefts. He also rushed for 1,001 yards and twelve scores, joining Clemson's Deshaun Watson (4,104 yards passing, 1,105 rushing in 2015) as the only players in NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision annals to pass for at least 4,000 yards and run for at least 1,000 yards in the same season.

Having eased some concerns about his height and weight at the 2019 NFL Scouting Combine (checked in at 207 pounds and measured 5:10.1), Murray breaks the mold for teams that generally feel a tall quarterback was designed by the football gods. The Sooner has shown good long ball accuracy, as he led the nation with an average gain of 11.58 yards per pass attempt. Among the draft eligible passers, he ranks seventh with an average depth-of-target gain of 11.66 yards.

Only late round/free agent, Taryn Christion (107.9) recorded a better passer rating than Murray's 103.3 when under pressure, as the Sooner completed 37-of-66 of those attempts with six scoring strikes. Like Penn State's Trace McSorley, Murray did not fare as well when having to air the ball out, as he ranked 18th in the deep passing category, hitting on just 49.35% of those chances (38-of-77) for 1,468 yards and sixteen touchdowns, but five of his seven interceptions came from tossing the long ball. Working with much more inferior receivers, McSorley only completed 20-of-59 deep passes (33.89%).

Murray is a shorter quarterback prospect with adequate bulk on his frame, but it is his athleticism that truly stands out. He has that blazing speed and impressive elusiveness to escape pressure and create big plays running through tight quarters. He is no by a strong athlete, but more like a speedy outfielder, but that burst allows him to accelerate well once he gains a step. With over 1,000 yards rushing, he can certainly create with his legs once he gets into the open field.

Murray also displays enough short area quickness to make things happen, but his lack of bulk and power could lead to injury issues vs. massive NFL defensive linemen. For his size, he showcases a solid arm, as he can spin a clean football, snap his wrist to generate torque and can get the pigskin down the field. His deep ball troubles begin when he fails to keep a natural base.

Size issues are evident vs. a big defensive line, forcing Murray to bounce up and down in order to see over the line of scrimmage. When he does have a clean throwing lane, he's very accurate with the football, showcasing natural rhythm for the passing game. Known for his ability to be a creative passer on the move, he will miss on his long throws and his accuracy will suffer when he doesn't stay balanced with his base.

When Murray is pressured, he has the ability to gain huge chunks of yardage on the ground (averaged 7.1 yards as a collegian). He's also conscious of protecting the ball, turning it over via fumbles just twice last season. When he looks for the "home run," he can be effective, but there are times, mostly due to his height, that he struggle to find secondary receivers in their routes. He does exhibit a good feel for twists and stunts, keeping his eye level down the field to side-step pressure without much effort and he's also a tough cookie who will deliver the throw in the face of a rush.

 

THE TALE OF THE TAPE FOR PENN STATE'S TRACE McSORLEY

Fortunately for Penn State's Trace McSorley, he has that rare skills that teams want from their signal caller - mobility - when the arm can't deliver, it is "feet, don't fail me now" as a scrambler running out of the backfield. Much like 2001 draft top pick, Michael Vick, and Seattle's Russell Wilson, McSorley is a valid weapon as a runner. He’s slippery enough when flushed from the pocket, but you also see that Drew Brees-like pinpoint accuracy when he has to move the chains.

McSorley has a gift for sensing pressure, escaping and resetting elsewhere before delivering an accurate pass. That ability to create new passing windows helped, as he was not playing behind one of the better offensive lines in the game the last two seasons. His ability to secure the ball and head up field, or roll out and throw on the run saw him deliver great success against the bigger opposing defenders.

While McSorley's running skills are obvious, he is not another Michael Vick. He shows patience and the flare for spotting the impossible window opening to get the ball to his receivers, much like Drew Brees, who is closing in on nearly two decades of success. Thanks to Brees and Wilson, they have proven that a short pro-style passer can succeed in the league. “Good players figure it out,” Denver Broncos coach Vance Joseph said of Brees.

Like Mayfield, McSorley has an NFL-caliber arm, just not one that will go for the "home run" on every play. He is a quick decision-maker who get the ball out quickly and has every bit of the toughness a pro club would want from its quarterback. Beyond that, he possesses one of the most important traits of a great quarterback: accuracy.

While speaking with NFL.com’s Albert Breer for his story “Searching For the Next Great QB,” Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian recalled talking shop with legendary San Francisco 49ers coach and noted quarterback guru Bill Walsh once when Sarkisian was a Pete Carroll assistant at USC. Walsh hinted that personnel execs sometimes fall in love with a prospect’s measurables at the expense of his most desirable skills.

“Everyone goes to the (combine), they tell me how tall he is, they tell me how much he weighs, they tell me how big his hands are, how long his arms are,” Sarkisian recalled Walsh saying. “They tell me how high he jumps and how fast he runs. I go into these meetings with our scouts, and they tell me how strong his arm is, they tell me about the offense they had. And all I want to know is, when he throws the ball, does he throw it where the receivers catch it?”

After three productive seasons at Penn State, McSorley continues to prove his doubters wrong. Yes, his height might not be ideal, but it’s obviously not a disqualifier. It all comes down to the perfect fit, one that suits the Nittany Lion's many skills - the West Coast scheme, which is centered around a quarterback's ability to quickly assess and deliver accurate midrange throws. Just ask Joe Montana (6:01), or Steve Young (6:00) how Bill Walsh put that scheme in place for his future Hall of Famers.

Young even commented on his stature during a recent interview. "I’m only six-feet tall," the former 49er noted. "My football card says 6-foot-2, and in shoes I really am 6-2, but it was a dream to be 6-2 because “6-foot” and “quarterback” don’t go together well in the NFL because everybody else is 6-5, 6-6, 6-7. Many times I would drop back to pass, look for Jerry Rice, and see nothing but bodies in front of me. So I would start to run around to get visibility. And then, inevitably, I would be tackled and sacked for a loss. And the coach would say, “Steve, Jerry Rice was open. You were protected. Why didn’t you throw the ball?”

“Couldn’t see him.” And then the great comment back: “You’d better start seeing him.” It was really all about perspective, or lack of perspective, and how I had to learn to throw it blind. I wasn’t going to grow. I couldn’t put springs on my feet. There were no stilts, no high heels. The perspective was what it was. So I dealt with it by saying to myself, “I just saw Jerry Rice. I know where he’s going. I’m going to throw it anyway.”

The insistence of prototypical height and weight at the quarterback position has always been of grave interest, in a sort of macabre, self loathing sort of way. We all know the score. 6:04, check. 225 pounds, check. Big hands, check. Let’s draft him! Many quarterbacks have probably missed out on having a shot at the NFL, purely because of their height. Of course, NFL scouts are known for the thorough approach to identifying talent, so putting it all on how tall a guy is probably a bit obtuse, but I think it will be interesting none the less.

In a recent organizational study, every league quarterback who has started at least sixteen games in the last three years were examined in these categories; Tall  (6’4" or more); Medium (6’2"-6’3"); Short (6’1" and under). Taking into consideration their season averages for pass completion percentage; touchdown pass made; interceptions thrown; amount of times they were sacked; times they turned the ball over via fumbles, the study revealed;

Short (6'01" and under)...57.0% completion, 15.3 touchdowns/10.7 interceptions, 23.1 sacks, 7.1 fumbles for an average

Medium (6'02" to 6'03")...61.2% completion, 18.6 touchdowns/12.6 interceptions, 25.8 sacks, 6.4 fumbles for an average

Tall (6'04" and over)...62.2% completion, 18.6 touchdowns/11.7 interceptions, 28.2 sacks, 8.1 fumbles

 

BUILDING THE PERFECT QUARTERBACK

Every team seems to have a different view of what they envision happening behind center. Most general managers will tell you a strong arm, impressive size and bulk, along with decent mobility is what they want as their starting quarterback. West Coast schemes seem to veer away from the pro-style passer, preferring a savvy leader with great feet to escape pressure. These are the chain-moving types, with less mistakes than those that live, or die, by the deep passing game.

Instincts are the key ingredient for any successful passer and if you can find one with highly functional intelligence, like the Saints' Drew Brees, you have a quick-decision type of field leader who can efficiently move the chains. Much like Brees, Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield are making team decision makers notice one trait - size is not really an issue - if you can escape pressure and think on the fly.

Still, a quarterback with a strong thinking process can usually create something out of nothing. The ability to run a pro-style offense, setting protections and making the right progression reads "trumps" those that simply rely on a big, strong arm. Of course, while you want a decisive quarter-back, you also want an accurate one. Just because an athlete is blessed with a strong arm, it does not mean he can be consistent hitting his receivers in stride and be creative when the plays break down.

Peripheral vision is also critical, as the quarterback must be alert to not only his receivers coming open, but also recognize pressure and have the ability to avoid it. The success that Patrick Mahomes displays is because of his ability to know when to step out of the pocket. Some of his no-look passes and his ability to vary his arm angles has made him the new "measuring stick" for teams trying to locate their next franchise quarterback.

The Chief's creativity and ability to throw running out of the pocket made him just one of three quarterbacks to ever throw for 5,000 yards and fifty touchdowns in a season. A mobile quarterback with the ability to make plays under duress - whether with his arm or feet - has made Mahomes one of the most successful and creative passers in the industry.

Coming In Part Two of the 2019 Quarterback Class Analysis - the Quarterbacks expected to be drafted from each conference.

 

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THE NFL DRAFT REPORT PRESENTS

THE 2019 NFL DRAFT QUARTERBACK ANALYSIS - PART TWO

 

Unlike the previous drafts, teams on the hunt for a franchise-type quarterback are disappointed with the cache of talent placed in front of them. With teams having this endless fascination with the position, those with needs are certain to overvalue those placed in front of them on their draft boards.

Most scouts seem to agree that at least three, possibly four signal-callers will hear the call during the first day of the draft. The second and third rounds will find organizations that are looking for young depth to start examining the prospects in front of them, while the final day of draft proceedings could see pure athletes like Penn State's Trace McSorley and North Dakota State's Easton Stick garner attention, even though they might be evaluated more so for a potential position switch while also adding depth behind center.

While our staff is not high on the current "golden child" at the quarterback spot - Kyler Murray - it appears that the Cardinals, owners of the top overall pick, might be finalizing their decision to yet again dip into the quarterback pool. Obvious needs for a pass rusher could have them opt for Ohio State's Nick Bosa, but with the new coaching staff fawning over the small Sooners quarterback, this could create a very intense training camp.

Currently, Josh Rosen, the tenth pick in the 2018 draft, is, as GM Steve Keim stated, "the Cardinals' quarterback, right now." With such a statement, is it any wonder the insecure quarterback recently took any mention of Arizona off his social media pages? It is unlikely the team will hold on to both youngsters, if they draft Murray, but the Cards could be in a Pittsburgh-Antonio Brown situation if they do not act quickly and trade away Rosen while he still has at least a second round value. Waiting until draft day to make that move could see the offers from teams end up being no more than a third round pick in return.

Murray will also be joined by West Virginia's Will Grier in representing the Big Twelve Conference's gifts to the NFL at the quarterback position. Grier was the darling of scouts before the season, but he did struggle some down the stretch and then bailed on his team by deciding not to play in their bowl game. Despite finishing fourth in the voting for the Heisman Trophy and completing 67% of his passes, the senior had very unimpressive Senior Bowl and Combine performances that could see the former University of Florida recruit slip into the end of the fourth round/early fifth round picture, as scouts feel he has just average arm strength

The Big Ten Conference will also feature a Top Ten draft selection at the quarterback position. Even though Dwayne Haskins had only one season as a starter for Ohio State, he has the Giants picturing him as the eventual replacement for Eli Manning. Plans are for New York to exercise their sixth overall pick to take the Buckeye, but with Jacksonville also coveting Haskins, one of those two teams could be enticed by the New York Jets to leap-frog to pick #3 and take Haskins before the other organization.

If he ends up in the Big Apple, expect the rookie to go the Patrick Mahomes route and learn from the bench in 2019. Another impressive athlete in the Big Ten is Northwestern's Clayton Thorson, but scouts see him more as a Drew Stanton type - possibly compete as a stop-gap starter down the road, but likely to be a Day Three selection who plies his wares holding a clipboard during his professional career.

The wild card out of the Big Ten is a possible "Swiss Army knife" signal-caller, Penn State's Trace McSorley. The Nittany Lion might be height challenged and scouts do question his long ball accuracy, but he is the best pure athlete in the quarterback class. Actually, that could be a good thing on his resume, as both New England and New Orleans envision him competed for a reserve quarterback spot, but might see what he can do as a Julian Edelman-like receiver conversion or follow the Nolan Cromwell (ex-Rams) trail and end up on the defensive side of the ball as a safety.

Even though Murray and Haskins have solidified Top Ten status, they could be joined in that group by Missouri's Drew Lock. If Jacksonville fails to reach an agreement with Nick Foles (Eagles passes has a high asking price), the Jaguars could make a run at this Tiger. Even if Foles joins the organization, the front office might still want to bring a young arm on to the roster.

Lock completed 61% of his passes (275-of-437) for 3,498 yards, 28 touchdowns and eight interceptions while running for six scores, but saw his receivers drop 27 balls last year. If they snared all those attempts, Lock would boast a pass completion percentage of .691. Denver, before they traded for Joe Flacco, seemed intent on moving up in the draft to take the Missouri product. Still, we see John Elway making this move if Lock is there with the tenth pick. As for The NFL Draft Report? Lock is our projection for being the most productive pro passer to come out of the 2019 draft class.

The Southeastern Conference should see two of their signal-callers be selected before the draft's second day is concluded. Auburn's Jarrett Stidham was the "Drew Lock" version at the Senior Bowl, with Lock being the most impressive quarterback in Mobile and Stidham giving him a very close battle for that title. Most teams expected the Auburn Tiger to return to school in 2019, as he had a very inconsistent performance before impressing brass as the best quarterback of a poor four-man contingent on the South squad.

Stidham had just average size at 6:02, 210 pounds, but has been clocked in the 4.65 range. He has thrown for 36 touchdowns vs. eleven interceptions the last two years, but his accuracy suffered in 2018, completing 224-of-369 tosses for 2,794 yards. While some scouts have tagged him as a second day project, his production numbers and average size might be more in tune for a third day selection.

While he won't be the answer for his father's desire to replace Eli Manning as the Giants quarter-back, their head coach has to be impressed with Vanderbilt's Kyle Shurmur, the third-best passing prospect coming out of the Southeastern Conference this year. Flying under the radar for most of his career, he put together one of the finest seasons ever by a Commodore quarterback in his fourth and final season. In doing so, he also became Vanderbilt's all-time leader in virtually every passing category.

As a senior, Shurmur completed 62.6% of passes as a 13-game starter season (254-of-406) for 3,130 yards and 24 touchdowns, as his passing yardage, completion percentage and total completions this year represent single-season career highs. In SEC-only game, Shurmur threw 15 touchdowns, second most in the league and just three interceptions, second fewest in the league. Most feel that his performance this year warrants attention during the later stages of the draft.

The state of Mississippi will send two quarterbacks to a pro training camp, but whether either is drafted, will depend on a team liking Mississippi State's Nick Fitzgerald and Ole Miss' Jordan Ta'Amu during the late rounds.

Two years ago, Fitzgerald came with the next "Brett Favre" tag, as he was hailed for his athleticism and running ability. Unfortunately his arm, most notably his accuracy, failed to reach the level that his feet produced, especially in 2018. Last season, he hit on just 51.6% of his attempts (145-of-281) for 1,767 yards, sixteen touchdowns and nine interceptions, adding twelve more scores on the ground. His lack of ability as a pocket passer, combined with 4.74 speed, 6:05 height and 230 pounds might see him have to make the switch to a motion tight end position at the next level.

Jordan Ta'amu-Perifanos was a standout prep performer in Hawaii, but after he did not receive any major college offers, he ventured to the mainland, where he would throw for 3,014 yards and 32 touchdowns while also rushing for 328 yards and seven touchdowns at New Mexico Military Academy. He appeared in seven games for the Rebels in 2017 before taking over the helm for Ole Miss in 2018. Last season, he hit on 63.6% of his passes for 3,918 yards, nineteen touchdowns and eight interceptions. He has a cannon for an arm, but fails to recognize blitzes and coverage, making him more as a candidate for the AAF than the NFL.

The Atlantic Coast Conference loses two quarterback to the NFL in this draft. Duke's Daniel Jones was the player most quarterback-needy teams were hoping to see perform well in Mobile, but the Blue Devil was inconsistent all week, as Missouri's Drew Lock moved well ahead of Jones on the pecking order during practices. In three years at the university, the two-time team captain has started all 36 games he appeared in, as he completed 764-of-1,275 (.599) passes for 8,201 yards with 52 touchdowns and 29 interceptions. He posted a career pass efficiency rating of 122.86 and rushed 406 times for 1,323 yards (3.26) and 17 more scores.

Once the projected future New York Giants quarterback, Jones saw those chances dim with not only his lack of eye-opening performances in Mobile, but also on game films. His lower body frame does not match his upper body development and he seems to get locked in on his primary target too often, resulting in big hits in the pocket, as he takes too long through his reads, despite operating in a play-action scheme. He puts good zip behind his tosses, but will frustrate his coach, as all too often he throws into tight windows.

Teams looking for a "safer bet" at quarterback have seen North Carolina State's Ryan Finley quietly inch up the quarterback rating charts. Some think that he might be the perfect fit to one day replace a former Wolfpack quarterback currently performing for the Chargers - Philip Rivers. In fact, Finley ranks second in school history only to Rivers, in career passing yards with 10,501. That is the third-best mark in Atlantic Coast Conference history, while his 272.8 passing yards per game ranks fourth in the ACC career record books.

A rare sixth-year performer, Finley began his college tenure at Boise State, but he graduated in 2015 and then enrolled at N.C. State. • He is only the second quarterback in school history to post three 3,000+ yard seasons (Rivers had three in his four-year career) and the fifth in ACC history. He showed at the Senior Bowl that he is and excellent pocket passer with more than enough zip to get the ball out quickly vs. the blitz. He knows how to hit his receivers in stride and is effective throwing on the move. Still, concerns are due to his lack of arm strength and his penchant for throwing into traffic when trying to go deep (eleven interceptions in 2018).

The state of Washington provides the Pac-12 Conference with a pair of late round/free agent passers in Washington State's Gardner Minshew and Washington's Dave Browning. After a 2018 draft that featured Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen, it is quite a letdown, at least talent-wise, for the league after they saw two first rounders join the NFL last year.

Minshew was a seldom-used signal-caller at East Carolina, but the post-graduate transfer instantly became a fan favorite after his arrival in Pullman. He originally was heading for Alabama as their third-string quarterback before Cougars coach Mike Leach "intercepted" him. He would go on to earn Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award honors and was a finalist for the Walter Camp Player of the Year and Davey O’Brien Award (nation’s top quarterback). the league's Offensive Player of the Year set school and Pac-12 records with 4,779 yards passing and 468 completions. He was second in the nation in total offense (376.8), fourth in touchdown passes (38) and third in completion percentage (70.7%).

Minshew did have nine passes intercepted and another 33 deflected, but his quick release and ability to make his progression reads in an instant was what earned him most of his success. Confidence built during his lone campaign as a starter and he was not afraid to run with the ball when flushed out of the pocket, resulting in four scoring runs. What will cause him to wait until the third day of the draft (or possibly as a free agent) is that he is more of a dink-&-dunk passer with little arm strength for the long distance game.

Browning might have to go the free agent route, as he appeared to still having lingering shoulder issues from 2017 affecting his performance last season. More a game manager than field leader, he has decent accuracy and good footwork dropping back from center, but his unimpressive frame is prone to injuries and when he has to throw deep, his ball tends to hang and flutter, giving defensive backs the chance to get under his throws and create damage in the open field.

Many feel that Buffalo's Tyree Jackson has one sensational arm, but they wonder if he will ever be able to grasp a complicated playbook. He was chastised at the Scouting Combine for trying to "create holes" in his receivers' hands . Some scouts even feel that this tall, lanky athlete with 4.59 speed might be better converting to tight end at the pro level, much like what the Bill's Logan Thomas had to endure after a failed quarterback experiment with the Cardinals.

Jackson is the first player in school history to be named Mid-American Conference Offensive Player of the Year after he threw for 3,131 yards and 28 touchdowns (second-best in school history) on the season. He also had seven rushing touchdowns on the year. Like Colin Kaepernick, Jackson will be drafted during Day Two because of his very strong arm. The big thing a team has to show is patience, as he showed in Mobile that he can be frustrating when he goes through those long stretches of inaccuracy. For all of his arm strength, his long ball is suspect, as that ball seems to lack ideal trajectory.

Boise State's Brett Rypien first broke most of Kellen Moore's high school state records before knocking Moore off a few perches at BSU. He finished his career as the Mountain West Conference's all-time leader in passing yards (13,581), completions (1,036), and 300-yard passing games (21). He is also Boise State's all-time leader in 300-yard games, having passed Moore (2008-11) to rank second all-time at Boise State in passing yards, completions, attempts (1,618).

A Chase Daniel's type who lacks great size, is not really mobile and despite his impressive numbers, lacks arm strength, Rypien is what coaches call a game manager. He can drop back in the pocket and once he gets in a rhythm, he hits his receivers in stride and plays with good anticipation. He does have ball security issues and lacks touch to fire into tight windows. While he looks like a West Coast type, his lack of mobility could see him have to work for a roster spot as a priority free agent.

Two small college standouts have emerged, with Carson Wentz's replacement at North Dakota State, Easton Stick, a strong Day Three possibility to back up his former teammate in Philadelphia next year. While he lacks Wentz's arm strength, he's a strong runner with good elusiveness and with the success the Saints had moving Tayson Hill to a variety of roles last year, could Stick be that version of a Swiss Army knife?

Here at the staff offices, we love the Rip Van Winkle types, the total unknowns who suddenly capture one's attention. Such is the case for Central Connecticut's Jacob Dolegala, who has been hidden in the FCS ranks while playing for a team where the offensive game plan is to run, run often. His numbers will not knock your socks off, as he's gained 8,129 yards on 654-of-1,136 passes (57.6%) with 48 touchdowns vs. 29 interceptions, but he's also scored eighteen times on the ground and his surprising mobility at 6:06, 235 has resulted in him getting sacked just eight times in the last two seasons after getting dropped 43 times during his first 22 games as a collegian.

Dolegala is an imposing figure rolling out of the pocket. He has good speed and excellent power to run through arm tackles, but won’t win foot races in the open field. He makes, quick, accurate throws on the move and shows nimble feet stepping up in the pocket and eluding the pass rush. He is more suited as a pocket passer, even though he has the footwork to make plays from either outside hash. He won’t scare anyone with his foot speed, but moves athletically in the pocket, showing good change of direction agility and body control when sliding to avoid, or in space, when exiting the pocket on a scramble.

 

Next Up-Part Three of The NFL Draft Report's Quarterback Analysis-Scouting reports on the potential Day One/Day Two quarterback selections.

 

 

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THE NFL DRAFT REPORT PRESENTS

THE 2019 NFL DRAFT QUARTERBACK ANALYSIS

 

Unlike the previous drafts, teams on the hunt for a franchise-type quarterback are disappointed with the cache of talent placed in front of them. With teams having this endless fascination with the position, those with needs are certain to overvalue those placed in front of them on their draft boards.

Most scouts seem to agree that at least three, possibly four signal-callers will hear the call during the first day of the draft. The second and third rounds will find organizations that are looking for young depth to start examining the prospects in front of them, while the final day of draft proceedings could see pure athletes like Penn State's Trace McSorley and North Dakota State's Easton Stick garner attention, even though they might be evaluated more so for a potential position switch while also adding depth behind center.

While our staff is not high on the current "golden child" at the quarterback spot - Kyler Murray - it appears that the Cardinals, owners of the top overall pick, might be finalizing their decision to yet again dip into the quarterback pool. Obvious needs for a pass rusher could have them opt for Ohio State's Nick Bosa, but with the new coaching staff fawning over the small Sooners quarterback, this could create a very intense training camp.

Currently, Josh Rosen, the tenth pick in the 2018 draft, is, as GM Steve Keim stated, "the Cardinals' quarterback, right now." With such a statement, is it any wonder the insecure quarterback recently took any mention of Arizona off his social media pages? It is unlikely the team will hold on to both youngsters, if they draft Murray, but the Cards could be in a Pittsburgh-Antonio Brown situation if they do not act quickly and trade away Rosen while he still has at least a second round value. Waiting until draft day to make that move could see the offers from teams end up being no more than a third round pick in return.

Murray will also be joined by West Virginia's Will Grier in representing the Big Twelve Conference's gifts to the NFL at the quarterback position. Grier was the darling of scouts before the season, but he did struggle some down the stretch and then bailed on his team by deciding not to play in their bowl game. Despite finishing fourth in the voting for the Heisman Trophy and completing 67% of his passes, the senior had very unimpressive Senior Bowl and Combine performances that could see the former University of Florida recruit slip into the end of the fourth round/early fifth round picture, as scouts feel he has just average arm strength

The Big Ten Conference will also feature a Top Ten draft selection at the quarterback position. Even though Dwayne Haskins had only one season as a starter for Ohio State, he has the Giants picturing him as the eventual replacement for Eli Manning. Plans are for New York to exercise their sixth overall pick to take the Buckeye, but with Jacksonville also coveting Haskins, one of those two teams could be enticed by the New York Jets to leap-frog to pick #3 and take Haskins before the other organization.

If he ends up in the Big Apple, expect the rookie to go the Patrick Mahomes route and learn from the bench in 2019. Another impressive athlete in the Big Ten is Northwestern's Clayton Thorson, but scouts see him more as a Drew Stanton type - possibly compete as a stop-gap starter down the road, but likely to be a Day Three selection who plies his wares holding a clipboard during his professional career.

The wild card out of the Big Ten is a possible "Swiss Army knife" signal-caller, Penn State's Trace McSorley. The Nittany Lion might be height challenged and scouts do question his long ball accuracy, but he is the best pure athlete in the quarterback class. Actually, that could be a good thing on his resume, as both New England and New Orleans envision him competed for a reserve quarterback spot, but might see what he can do as a Julian Edelman-like receiver conversion or follow the Nolan Cromwell (ex-Rams) trail and end up on the defensive side of the ball as a safety.

Even though Murray and Haskins have solidified Top Ten status, they could be joined in that group by Missouri's Drew Lock. If Jacksonville fails to reach an agreement with Nick Foles (Eagles passes has a high asking price), the Jaguars could make a run at this Tiger. Even if Foles joins the organization, the front office might still want to bring a young arm on to the roster.

Lock completed 61% of his passes (275-of-437) for 3,498 yards, 28 touchdowns and eight interceptions while running for six scores, but saw his receivers drop 27 balls last year. If they snared all those attempts, Lock would boast a pass completion percentage of .691. Denver, before they traded for Joe Flacco, seemed intent on moving up in the draft to take the Missouri product. Still, we see John Elway making this move if Lock is there with the tenth pick. As for The NFL Draft Report? Lock is our projection for being the most productive pro passer to come out of the 2019 draft class.

The Southeastern Conference should see two of their signal-callers be selected before the draft's second day is concluded. Auburn's Jarrett Stidham was the "Drew Lock" version at the Senior Bowl, with Lock being the most impressive quarterback in Mobile and Stidham giving him a very close battle for that title. Most teams expected the Auburn Tiger to return to school in 2019, as he had a very inconsistent performance before impressing brass as the best quarterback of a poor four-man contingent on the South squad.

Stidham had just average size at 6:02, 210 pounds, but has been clocked in the 4.65 range. He has thrown for 36 touchdowns vs. eleven interceptions the last two years, but his accuracy suffered in 2018, completing 224-of-369 tosses for 2,794 yards. While some scouts have tagged him as a second day project, his production numbers and average size might be more in tune for a third day selection.

While he won't be the answer for his father's desire to replace Eli Manning as the Giants quarter-back, their head coach has to be impressed with Vanderbilt's Kyle Shurmur, the third-best passing prospect coming out of the Southeastern Conference this year. Flying under the radar for most of his career, he put together one of the finest seasons ever by a Commodore quarterback in his fourth and final season. In doing so, he also became Vanderbilt's all-time leader in virtually every passing category.

As a senior, Shurmur completed 62.6% of passes as a 13-game starter season (254-of-406) for 3,130 yards and 24 touchdowns, as his passing yardage, completion percentage and total completions this year represent single-season career highs. In SEC-only game, Shurmur threw 15 touchdowns, second most in the league and just three interceptions, second fewest in the league. Most feel that his performance this year warrants attention during the later stages of the draft.

The state of Mississippi will send two quarterbacks to a pro training camp, but whether either is drafted, will depend on a team liking Mississippi State's Nick Fitzgerald and Ole Miss' Jordan Ta'Amu during the late rounds.

Two years ago, Fitzgerald came with the next "Brett Favre" tag, as he was hailed for his athleticism and running ability. Unfortunately his arm, most notably his accuracy, failed to reach the level that his feet produced, especially in 2018. Last season, he hit on just 51.6% of his attempts (145-of-281) for 1,767 yards, sixteen touchdowns and nine interceptions, adding twelve more scores on the ground. His lack of ability as a pocket passer, combined with 4.74 speed, 6:05 height and 230 pounds might see him have to make the switch to a motion tight end position at the next level.

Jordan Ta'amu-Perifanos was a standout prep performer in Hawaii, but after he did not receive any major college offers, he ventured to the mainland, where he would throw for 3,014 yards and 32 touchdowns while also rushing for 328 yards and seven touchdowns at New Mexico Military Academy. He appeared in seven games for the Rebels in 2017 before taking over the helm for Ole Miss in 2018. Last season, he hit on 63.6% of his passes for 3,918 yards, nineteen touchdowns and eight interceptions. He has a cannon for an arm, but fails to recognize blitzes and coverage, making him more as a candidate for the AAF than the NFL.

The Atlantic Coast Conference loses two quarterback to the NFL in this draft. Duke's Daniel Jones was the player most quarterback-needy teams were hoping to see perform well in Mobile, but the Blue Devil was inconsistent all week, as Missouri's Drew Lock moved well ahead of Jones on the pecking order during practices. In three years at the university, the two-time team captain has started all 36 games he appeared in, as he completed 764-of-1,275 (.599) passes for 8,201 yards with 52 touchdowns and 29 interceptions. He posted a career pass efficiency rating of 122.86 and rushed 406 times for 1,323 yards (3.26) and 17 more scores.

Once the projected future New York Giants quarterback, Jones saw those chances dim with not only his lack of eye-opening performances in Mobile, but also on game films. His lower body frame does not match his upper body development and he seems to get locked in on his primary target too often, resulting in big hits in the pocket, as he takes too long through his reads, despite operating in a play-action scheme. He puts good zip behind his tosses, but will frustrate his coach, as all too often he throws into tight windows.

Teams looking for a "safer bet" at quarterback have seen North Carolina State's Ryan Finley quietly inch up the quarterback rating charts. Some think that he might be the perfect fit to one day replace a former Wolfpack quarterback currently performing for the Chargers - Philip Rivers. In fact, Finley ranks second in school history only to Rivers, in career passing yards with 10,501. That is the third-best mark in Atlantic Coast Conference history, while his 272.8 passing yards per game ranks fourth in the ACC career record books.

A rare sixth-year performer, Finley began his college tenure at Boise State, but he graduated in 2015 and then enrolled at N.C. State. • He is only the second quarterback in school history to post three 3,000+ yard seasons (Rivers had three in his four-year career) and the fifth in ACC history. He showed at the Senior Bowl that he is and excellent pocket passer with more than enough zip to get the ball out quickly vs. the blitz. He knows how to hit his receivers in stride and is effective throwing on the move. Still, concerns are due to his lack of arm strength and his penchant for throwing into traffic when trying to go deep (eleven interceptions in 2018).

The state of Washington provides the Pac-12 Conference with a pair of late round/free agent passers in Washington State's Gardner Minshew and Washington's Dave Browning. After a 2018 draft that featured Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen, it is quite a letdown, at least talent-wise, for the league after they saw two first rounders join the NFL last year.

Minshew was a seldom-used signal-caller at East Carolina, but the post-graduate transfer instantly became a fan favorite after his arrival in Pullman. He originally was heading for Alabama as their third-string quarterback before Cougars coach Mike Leach "intercepted" him. He would go on to earn Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award honors and was a finalist for the Walter Camp Player of the Year and Davey O’Brien Award (nation’s top quarterback). the league's Offensive Player of the Year set school and Pac-12 records with 4,779 yards passing and 468 completions. He was second in the nation in total offense (376.8), fourth in touchdown passes (38) and third in completion percentage (70.7%).

Minshew did have nine passes intercepted and another 33 deflected, but his quick release and ability to make his progression reads in an instant was what earned him most of his success. Confidence built during his lone campaign as a starter and he was not afraid to run with the ball when flushed out of the pocket, resulting in four scoring runs. What will cause him to wait until the third day of the draft (or possibly as a free agent) is that he is more of a dink-&-dunk passer with little arm strength for the long distance game.

Browning might have to go the free agent route, as he appeared to still having lingering shoulder issues from 2017 affecting his performance last season. More a game manager than field leader, he has decent accuracy and good footwork dropping back from center, but his unimpressive frame is prone to injuries and when he has to throw deep, his ball tends to hang and flutter, giving defensive backs the chance to get under his throws and create damage in the open field.

Many feel that Buffalo's Tyree Jackson has one sensational arm, but they wonder if he will ever be able to grasp a complicated playbook. He was chastised at the Scouting Combine for trying to "create holes" in his receivers' hands . Some scouts even feel that this tall, lanky athlete with 4.59 speed might be better converting to tight end at the pro level, much like what the Bill's Logan Thomas had to endure after a failed quarterback experiment with the Cardinals.

Jackson is the first player in school history to be named Mid-American Conference Offensive Player of the Year after he threw for 3,131 yards and 28 touchdowns (second-best in school history) on the season. He also had seven rushing touchdowns on the year. Like Colin Kaepernick, Jackson will be drafted during Day Two because of his very strong arm. The big thing a team has to show is patience, as he showed in Mobile that he can be frustrating when he goes through those long stretches of inaccuracy. For all of his arm strength, his long ball is suspect, as that ball seems to lack ideal trajectory.

Boise State's Brett Rypien first broke most of Kellen Moore's high school state records before knocking Moore off a few perches at BSU. He finished his career as the Mountain West Conference's all-time leader in passing yards (13,581), completions (1,036), and 300-yard passing games (21). He is also Boise State's all-time leader in 300-yard games, having passed Moore (2008-11) to rank second all-time at Boise State in passing yards, completions, attempts (1,618).

A Chase Daniel's type who lacks great size, is not really mobile and despite his impressive numbers, lacks arm strength, Rypien is what coaches call a game manager. He can drop back in the pocket and once he gets in a rhythm, he hits his receivers in stride and plays with good anticipation. He does have ball security issues and lacks touch to fire into tight windows. While he looks like a West Coast type, his lack of mobility could see him have to work for a roster spot as a priority free agent.

Two small college standouts have emerged, with Carson Wentz's replacement at North Dakota State, Easton Stick, a strong Day Three possibility to back up his former teammate in Philadelphia next year. While he lacks Wentz's arm strength, he's a strong runner with good elusiveness and with the success the Saints had moving Tayson Hill to a variety of roles last year, could Stick be that version of a Swiss Army knife?

Here at the staff offices, we love the Rip Van Winkle types, the total unknowns who suddenly capture one's attention. Such is the case for Central Connecticut's Jacob Dolegala, who has been hidden in the FCS ranks while playing for a team where the offensive game plan is to run, run often. His numbers will not knock your socks off, as he's gained 8,129 yards on 654-of-1,136 passes (57.6%) with 48 touchdowns vs. 29 interceptions, but he's also scored eighteen times on the ground and his surprising mobility at 6:06, 235 has resulted in him getting sacked just eight times in the last two seasons after getting dropped 43 times during his first 22 games as a collegian.

Dolegala is an imposing figure rolling out of the pocket. He has good speed and excellent power to run through arm tackles, but won’t win foot races in the open field. He makes, quick, accurate throws on the move and shows nimble feet stepping up in the pocket and eluding the pass rush. He is more suited as a pocket passer, even though he has the footwork to make plays from either outside hash. He won’t scare anyone with his foot speed, but moves athletically in the pocket, showing good change of direction agility and body control when sliding to avoid, or in space, when exiting the pocket on a scramble.

 

Next Up-Part Three of The NFL Draft Report's Quarterback Analysis-Scouting reports on the potential Day One/Day Two quarterback selections.

 

 

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This is in response to a discussion with tugboat on Clayton Thorson

TUGBOAT said "Thorson seems like such a polarizing prospect.  I like him an awful lot too, and i've read blurbs that among numerous NFL scouts surveyed, none had worse than a 3rd round grade on him.  But i've also seen plenty of late round grades on him from people who just really don't like him at all.  It's always kinda the nature of QBs, either you like 'em and think they could make it, or you don't.  But Thorson seems to be extra polarizing for some reason.

I see a guy with prototypical size, decent mobility, and a pretty good arm.  More accurate than the numbers reflect, with touch, timing and ability to read a defense.  Who elevated his program despite a really lackluster supporting cast.  Not sure what there is to really dislike there, but evidently there's plenty for some people..."

 

I think people dislike him because he didn't progress by leaps and bounds this past year. He got better at reading defenses and seeing the field, but his overall game was hurt by the injury he sustained in his bowl game last year. Not to compare him as a player to Russell Wilson, because he's not the same type of QB, different skillset, but a lot of his game depended upon his ability to be mobile in the pocket and there was obviously also the rushing aspect of his game, where he's actually really good - Blake Bortles type mobility. When he got hurt, he lost that aspect of his game and his ability to make up for a weaker O-line and the loss of Justin Jackson diminished. So here's where the Wilson comp comes in: I think it was 2016 where Wilson had the injured MCL, and he learned to play like a different type of QB in order to make his team better. It didn't all happen that season, it wasn't until 2017 where he really was able to apply all that experience and combine it with his restored mobility to really make him great. Thorson this year, with his injury, had to learn the way 2016 Wilson did. He improved his game as a pure pocket passer enough to launch Northwestern to the Big 10 Championship. He still had some mobility, and really fought back to return from a January injury in time to play the whole season - toughness is off the charts. His mobility was only about 60-70% of what is was, though, and it improved as the season progressed. I expect Thorson to make a leap similar to the 16 Wilson vs 17 Wilson. Again, different skillset, different overall type of QB, but similar challenge and situation. 

And that's the thing with Thorson. He's showed he can grow. He's shown an it factor to make everyone around him better and carry his team. He's had enormous fortitude to come back from the major back injury to play the most starts in Big 10 history. He's a fighter. He can learn. Super high character. Yeah, there were some minor inconsistencies as he tried to do too much (because he had to) and was always in a sticky situation, but he got better. Yeah, maybe not as much as some would like. Maybe that's because he had the back injury. I don't know about you, but I played QB through high school, and it's dang hard to make throws when your back is missed up. Hurts your mobility too. Thorson is a grinder.

Steal QB of the draft.

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Thorson is another Drew Stanton. People will convince themselves that he's going to be a steal because of the flashes he shows. All the parts are there, but due to his poor accuracy, he'll never be the sums of his parts.

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I'm still super high on Ryan Finley.

I see him mocked in the 4th-6th quite a bit here but don't be surprised when the draft actually hits he goes as high as the Mid 2nd, and ahead of Daniel Jones.

Finley is the most accurate of this class, the smartest football IQ, best touch, 2nd best release to Murray imo, and some tremendous pocket presence. His arm's not the greatest but it's enough to be a solid NFL Starting Quarterback. He'll at least have a Alex Smith type career at a minimum.

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On 4/2/2019 at 7:57 PM, BayRaider said:

I'm still super high on Ryan Finley.

I see him mocked in the 4th-6th quite a bit here but don't be surprised when the draft actually hits he goes as high as the Mid 2nd, and ahead of Daniel Jones.

Finley is the most accurate of this class, the smartest football IQ, best touch, 2nd best release to Murray imo, and some tremendous pocket presence. His arm's not the greatest but it's enough to be a solid NFL Starting Quarterback. He'll at least have a Alex Smith type career at a minimum.

Doesn't have Smith's level of athleticism.

More like a Smith-Hoyer.

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2 minutes ago, HoboRocket said:

Doesn't have Smith's level of athleticism.

More like a Smith-Hoyer.

Yeah and Brady was a sixth round pick because of athleticism. Finley is a student of the game. 

And Finley is much more mobile than you think, moves pretty well to be honest. 

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8 hours ago, BayRaider said:

Yeah and Brady was a sixth round pick because of athleticism. Finley is a student of the game. 

And Finley is much more mobile than you think, moves pretty well to be honest. 

Not saying he's bad. I'm just talking skillset.

And yes, Brady had a very lackluster physical skillset. Part of that improved through NFL strength and conditioning programs. If anyone's close to Brady this year, though, I agree - it has to be Finley.

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5 hours ago, HoboRocket said:

Not saying he's bad. I'm just talking skillset.

And yes, Brady had a very lackluster physical skillset. Part of that improved through NFL strength and conditioning programs. If anyone's close to Brady this year, though, I agree - it has to be Finley.

His release is identical to Brady which is the first thing that ever caught my eye with Finley. 

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This year I've seen more statistical models for quarterback projection from college, so I decided to combine some of the ones that gave out percentages, being FO's QBASE, FiveThirtyEight's CPOE model, and my own model. Here were the averages:

Name College Bust % Upper Tier %
K. Murray Oklahoma 26.41 58.62
D. Haskins Ohio State 47.09 38.96
D. Lock Missouri 47.66 38.63
R. Finley N.C. State 57.86 32.45
J. Stidham Auburn 71.09 16
D. Jones Duke 72.43 15
W. Grier West Virginia 82.03 6.79

There was a pretty big gap from Murray, Haskins, and Lock (the consensus R1 prospects) to the lower tier, except in FTO's model. In my model, Murray's projection is Top 5 since 2006.

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