Joe_is_the_best Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 19 hours ago, Oregon Ducks said: No, he's not. He is though. The hallmark of a good coach is their ability to make adjustments. Try something different. After 15 missed three pointers in a row, it was time for something different. Anything. Just to change the rhythm. Instead, they kept chucking, thinking the ball would drop eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Joe_is_the_best said: He is though. The hallmark of a good coach is their ability to make adjustments. Try something different. After 15 missed three pointers in a row, it was time for something different. Anything. Just to change the rhythm. Instead, they kept chucking, thinking the ball would drop eventually. Every time they drove to the rim in the 3rd they wouldn't get any calls. They don't have anyone with a post game. CP3 being out killed any mid-range abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisinBran Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 12 hours ago, Pastor Dillon said: we was absolutely trying to draw a foul, and he was absolutely fouled. The 3 pointer he made wasnt even a swing through. He was fouled after he jumped in the air. Just because a player is trying to draw a foul, doesnt mean hitting them on the forearm is suddenly not a foul. Its impossible to say that it would have changed the final results, but it definitely impacted the game. I'll stop short of calling it intentional, but the warriors were sliding under Hardens feet when he was shooting those 3s. On one occasion he was lucky not to roll an ankle as he came down on the side of a guys shoe. That is clearly against the rules and a safety violation. To be fair, they missed a big one on Durant as well. the warriors also make a living off some football style blocks when someone is trying to close out on a 3 point shooter. its not a matter of wanting the ref to bail you out. There are times that Harden drives and gets his shot blocked, thats fine. Then there are times where two or three possessions straight he drives and gets whacked without a call, so he starts settling for shots. Harden is really crafty when it comes to drawing fouls. Its part of what makes playing D on him so tough, if you get too aggressive he will pull up a shot in a hurry. Plus he often dribbles with his right hand and shoots with his left, and guys naturally gets their hands on players free hands. It helps draw the fouls. I think that NBA refs dont like the narrative that Harden is baiting them into calls and so they get reluctant to call them. But the answer to how Rockets fans feel about Harden is simple. we love him. Maybe we cant win a title with him as our best player. Weve come a lot closer than teams lead by John Wall, Damian Lillard, Anthony Davis, Giannis, Jimmy Butler, and many other big name players. Harden has almost single handily made us relevant since coming to Houston 6 years ago. He's going to be a Hall of Fame player. This list of current all stars that have won a ring is very very small. Lebron, love, Kyrie, Leonard and the Warriors 4 are the only guys I can think of in the current league that are still playing prime basketball. With Super teams, its hard to win one unless you are on one. Since Harden came to Houston, hes only had 1 season with a 2nd all star, which was 2014 Dwight Howard. This year he had CP3, but he missed so many games that he missed the all star game. With all that considered, 2 Conference Finals losses to one of the best teams ever is not something to freak out about. This year more than anything proved that our style of play can win a championship. We aren't very far behind the warriors at all. We have a 2-3 year window with Harden/CP3 before we retool around Hardens final 3 or 4 years. And we will be happy to live with the results. I can agree with most of what you said. However, i'm doubting Harden's ability to win a championship or even get to the finals, because his production seems more dependent on the refs calling fouls than any other superstar in the league. He's a great player and will be a hall of famer no doubt, but I think his style of play ends up hurting his team more in "playoff style" basketball, where the refs tend to swallow their whistle more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisinBran Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, seminoles1 said: Every time they drove to the rim in the 3rd they wouldn't get any calls. They don't have anyone with a post game. CP3 being out killed any mid-range abilities. It's playoff basketball. You don't get all the whistles you do in the regular season. It is well established that the more physical teams that play in the paint have an advantage in the playoffs. The Warriors are just such a good shooting team that they can overcome any physical/strength disadvantage with their 3 pointers and jump shots. The Rockets have plenty of players capable of hitting open mid-range. They're a very talented team. They chose to stay behind the 3 point line. Harden's game is predicated on 3 pointers and layups. There is no in between. They settled for the threes following their best players lead, and it ended up costing them an NBA finals trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, RaisinBran said: The Rockets have plenty of players capable of hitting open mid-range. They're a very talented team. They chose to stay behind the 3 point line. Harden's game is predicated on 3 pointers and layups. There is no in between. They settled for the threes following their best players lead, and it ended up costing them an NBA finals trip. Capable? Sure, but it goes against their philosophy and they don't have an offense to get open midrange shots that doesn't involve CP3. It doesn't make sense to abandon what got you 65 wins because you missed a few shots in a row to try and brand new offense none of your players have run all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 im Fine with the way we lost. We were 1 for 16 on open 3s and 4 for 14 in uncontested 3s. Missing 27 straight 3s the quality we missed was 1 in 72,000 according to 538. I wouldn’t change a single thing because even on a bad night, we hit 4 or 5 Of the 27 straight we missed. Not only is that 12-15 extra points but the momentum and the heartbreak caused by so many missed open 3s is gone. The way the game went, those extra couple 3s that we would make 99% of the time change the game completely. Doesn’t mean we definitely win, but it would have made it a final possession game and who knows. I really don’t think the answer was to tell guys who had played 98 games one way to suddenly take two steps in and shoot shots they never shoot. And Harden has a midrange game. He makes step back shots at the top of the key all the time. Made one or two in the 4th quarter. The rockets style was not an issue, an improbable, NBA record bad shooting night was the problem. I’d take the same game with the same shots any day Of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisinBran Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Capable? Sure, but it goes against their philosophy and they don't have an offense to get open midrange shots that doesn't involve CP3. It doesn't make sense to abandon what got you 65 wins because you missed a few shots in a row to try and brand new offense none of your players have run all season. No. It doesn't make sense to abandon what was working against the Warriors. This wasn't the regular season anymore. This isn't playing against the Denver Nuggets. You adjust your gameplan based on who you are playing. Rockets were dominating in the paint and getting tons of offensive rebounds all series long. Should've continued what got them the lead in the first half. Attack the basket then shoot threes when the defense sinks down. Adjust your strategy based on what's currently working. Eric Gordon was 7-10 in the paint and had success being aggressive. Then in the 3rd and 4th he starts taking contested threes instead of doing what was working. It became contagious starting with Harden's bad shots and led to their downfall. At what point do you miss so many threes that you acknowledge that it might be a good idea to not jack them up anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 7 hours ago, RaisinBran said: No. It doesn't make sense to abandon what was working against the Warriors. This wasn't the regular season anymore. This isn't playing against the Denver Nuggets. You adjust your gameplan based on who you are playing. Rockets were dominating in the paint and getting tons of offensive rebounds all series long. Should've continued what got them the lead in the first half. Attack the basket then shoot threes when the defense sinks down. Adjust your strategy based on what's currently working. Eric Gordon was 7-10 in the paint and had success being aggressive. Then in the 3rd and 4th he starts taking contested threes instead of doing what was working. It became contagious starting with Harden's bad shots and led to their downfall. At what point do you miss so many threes that you acknowledge that it might be a good idea to not jack them up anymore? Draymond Green pretty much locked down the paint, so they didnt have much of a choice. What they really needed was a guy with a great mid range game. Like a Chris Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Quote Mike D'Antoni tells ESPN that Rockets forward PJ Tucker played through a ton of pain in Game 6, with 3 cracked teeth. He ended up having 3 root canals before Game 7. this sounds worse than anything that CP3 or IGGY were dealing with.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texansfan713 Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 I had the worst dream ever. I dreamed the Warriors came into Houston and beat us in game 7 without CP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Texansfan713 said: I had the worst dream ever. I dreamed the Warriors came into Houston and beat us in game 7 without CP3. I got some bad news for you…….. But good series though! Had the champs on the ropes a few times in games 6 and 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Rumor mill says that the Rockets will in fact give CP3 a max 5 year 200 million deal this off season. I am not sure what the point of recruiting Lebron is though. its impossible to sign him and CP3 both to a max deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: Rumor mill says that the Rockets will in fact give CP3 a max 5 year 200 million deal this off season. I am not sure what the point of recruiting Lebron is though. its impossible to sign him and CP3 both to a max deal. Have LeBron opt into his final year and a trade maybe much like how CP3 did to get to Houston IIRC. If Cleveland knows they're losing LeBron anyways, might as well try to get something for a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 57 minutes ago, Raves said: Have LeBron opt into his final year and a trade maybe much like how CP3 did to get to Houston IIRC. If Cleveland knows they're losing LeBron anyways, might as well try to get something for a rebuild. all they could get is either Eric Gordon or Tucker/Nene We would have to send picks to a 3rd team with Ryan Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: all they could get is either Eric Gordon or Tucker/Nene We would have to send picks to a 3rd team with Ryan Anderson Eric Gordon + Ryan Anderson would make the money work. The Cavs would need a 3rd team to eventually take Kevin Love though which probably isn't as difficult as many on here might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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