Soko Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Buc Ball said: I agree with that - the Winston example (or any current player for that matter - isn’t a good comparison, but is indicative that the league takes a hard line on these things. Whether that means they could retrospectively apply to someone who wasn’t in the league at the time, I guess that depends on the agreement between the NFL and the coaches association. That could be, for example, if he didn’t disclose the indictment if he was required to on entering the league. Coaches are held to the same conduct policy as the players. Quote It is a privilege to be part of the National Football League. Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business. I can’t think of an example of an NFL employee being disciplined for something they did prior to being employed by the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Punishing a current employee for an accusation of a transgression that occured before the employee was hired has to be against some labor law, correct? I mean, there's just no way that is legal. The United States has laws protecting workers for this exact reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaegybomb Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Didn't the whole Zeke thing happen before he played in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I'm going to say it's fine to have a thread about this but only if people stick to how this could affect Matt Patricia and the Lions. I will be keeping a very close eye on this thread, and any conversation swaying in the direction of rape, politics, attacks of other members, or any other discussion topic outside of forum rules will likely get this locked. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Jaegybomb said: Didn't the whole Zeke thing happen before he played in the NFL? Before he actually played, yes. But it was after he signed his rookie deal, iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Jaegybomb said: Didn't the whole Zeke thing happen before he played in the NFL? Played, yes, signed and drafted, no. The events in question either did or didn't occur in July 2016. He was drafted in April 2016 and signed in May 2016. So he was in the NFL, under contract, and subject to the CBA and all the NFL's rules by that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaegybomb Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Sounds like the Conley thing. They probably have to check it out but I doubt it leads to an actual investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 3 hours ago, N4L said: Punishing a current employee for an accusation of a transgression that occured before the employee was hired has to be against some labor law, correct? I mean, there's just no way that is legal. The United States has laws protecting workers for this exact reason. One of the many lawyers on the site would probably be able to answer about the labor laws, but i would say there probably isnt anything on the books bc it goes against common sense. As far as whether the nfl knew, or it was disclosed, more than likely both the nfl knew through their background check, and Patricia was never required to disclose it bc he wasnt convicted. An indictment is only an accusation its not a conviction. The case was dismissed. Due process was met and the evidence was found wanting. Mostly this is a nothing burger, but when the league os trying to look progressive, its bad optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 22 years ago? Isn't there a statute of limitations? No disrespect but things like this always seem weird to me I cant imagine the Lions knew anything about it right? Its not exactly something you ask in interviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Coaches are held to the same conduct policy as the players. I can’t think of an example of an NFL employee being disciplined for something they did prior to being employed by the league. Terrelle Pryor maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: 22 years ago? Isn't there a statute of limitations? No disrespect but things like this always seem weird to me I cant imagine the Lions knew anything about it right? Its not exactly something you ask in interviews Apparently it was very easy to find the indictment using publicly available information, so it’s possibly a blind spot in their hiring process. Either that, or they merely ask whether you have any reportable criminal convictions, verify your answer against your background check and leave it there. I would expect that we’ll see some kind of action from the NFL given the pr storm that this could cause, however they may not have power to do anything substantial. It may result in a change in the process/ code of conduct going forward. Anything that comes of this for Patricia seems to be down to a business decision by the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Wasn't something like this discovered about Vance Joseph when he was hired last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Coaches are held to the same conduct policy as the players. I can’t think of an example of an NFL employee being disciplined for something they did prior to being employed by the league. I wasn’t sure about whether coaches were bound by the same policy, but that clears that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 minute ago, SilverNBlackFan said: Wasn't something like this discovered about Vance Joseph when he was hired last year I don’t think Joesph was ever charged, but Elway said at the time that the alleged incidents were discussed during the hiring process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Buc Ball said: Apparently it was very easy to find the indictment using publicly available information, so it’s possibly a blind spot in their hiring process. Either that, or they merely ask whether you have any reportable criminal convictions, verify your answer against your background check and leave it there. I would expect that we’ll see some kind of action from the NFL given the pr storm that this could cause, however they may not have power to do anything substantial. It may result in a change in the process/ code of conduct going forward. Anything that comes of this for Patricia seems to be down to a business decision by the Lions. Well the Lions said they were aware of it in their statement, didnt they? So it's not like they didn't know; they merely didn't think it was grounds not to hire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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