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#14 - QB Alex Smith

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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03.htm

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career       156 151 88-62-1 2877 4613 62.4 31888 183 4.0 96 2.1 80 6.9 6.8 11.1 204.4 87.4   388 2203 5.94 5.80 7.8 18 22 112
7 yrs SFO     80 75 38-36-1 1290 2177 59.3 14280 81 3.7 63 2.9 75 6.6 6.0 11.1 178.5 79.1   196 1182 5.52 5.01 8.3 9 11 40
5 yrs KAN     76 76 50-26-0 1587 2436 65.1 17608 102 4.2 33 1.4 80 7.2 7.5 11.1 231.7 94.8   192 1021 6.31 6.52 7.3 9 11 72
2005 21 SFO qb 11 9 7 2-5-0 84 165 50.9 875 1 0.6 11 6.7 47 5.3 2.4 10.4 97.2 40.8   29 185 3.56 1.11 14.9 1 2 -3
2006 22 SFO QB 11 16 16 7-9-0 257 442 58.1 2890 16 3.6 16 3.6 75 6.5 5.6 11.2 180.6 74.8 41.4 35 202 5.64 4.80 7.3 1 2 10
2007 23 SFO qb 11 7 7 2-5-0 94 193 48.7 914 2 1.0 4 2.1 45 4.7 4.0 9.7 130.6 57.2 20.4 17 121 3.78 3.11 8.1 2 2 0
2008   Missed season - Injured - shoulder
2009 25 SFO QB 11 11 10 5-5-0 225 372 60.5 2350 18 4.8 12 3.2 73 6.3 5.8 10.4 213.6 81.5 44.4 22 134 5.62 5.17 5.6     7
2010 26 SFO QB 11 11 10 3-7-0 204 342 59.6 2370 14 4.1 10 2.9 62 6.9 6.4 11.6 215.5 82.1 44.4 25 140 6.08 5.61 6.8     6
2011 27 SFO QB 11 16 16 13-3-0 273 445 61.3 3144 17 3.8 5 1.1 56 7.1 7.3 11.5 196.5 90.7 53.0 44 263 5.89 6.13 9.0 5 5 13
2012 28 SFO QB 11 10 9 6-2-1 153 218 70.2 1737 13 6.0 5 2.3 55 8.0 8.1 11.4 173.7 104.1 65.1 24 137 6.61 6.76 9.9     7
2013* 29 KAN QB 11 15 15 11-4-0 308 508 60.6 3313 23 4.5 7 1.4 71 6.5 6.8 10.8 220.9 89.1 62.1 39 210 5.67 5.94 7.1 1 1 14
2014 30 KAN QB 11 15 15 8-7-0 303 464 65.3 3265 18 3.9 6 1.3 70 7.0 7.2 10.8 217.7 93.4 51.7 45 229 5.96 6.14 8.8 3 3 13
2015 31 KAN QB 11 16 16 11-5-0 307 470 65.3 3486 20 4.3 7 1.5 80 7.4 7.6 11.4 217.9 95.4 58.4 45 235 6.31 6.48 8.7 1 1 16
2016* 32 KAN QB 11 15 15 11-4-0 328 489 67.1 3502 15 3.1 8 1.6 80 7.2 7.0 10.7 233.5 91.2 58.0 28 140 6.50 6.39 5.4 3 3 12
2017* 33 KAN QB 11 15 15 9-6-0 341 505 67.5 4042 26 5.1 5 1.0 79 8.0 8.6 11.9 269.5 104.7 63.6 35 207 7.10 7.65 6.5 1 3 17

 

Previous Year's Ranking - N/A

I think Smith is a solid but unspectacular veteran QB, which is why he comes in on the list in the mid teens here.  He's coming off a career year where he threw for just over 4,000 passing yards with only 5 INTs.  The QBs have been talked to death this offseason so I won't spend a ton of time on this one, but I do think he will cut down on our overall turnovers.  It remains to be seen if his veteran knowledge can help in the running game with presnap calls.  Personally I think any gain from that will likely be mitigated by opposing defenses not fearing us going deep.  But we'll see.  

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#13 - TE Vernon Davis

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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviVe00.htm

Games Receiving Rushing        
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       180 170 873 548 7072 12.9 60 73 3.0 39.3   6 15 0 11 2.5 0.1 0.0 7087 60 10 61
10 yrs SFO     139 136 717 441 5640 12.8 55 73 3.2 40.6   6 15 0 11 2.5 0.1 0.0 5655 55 8 50
2 yrs WAS     32 30 128 87 1231 14.1 5 69 2.7 38.5                 1231 5 2 10
1 yr DEN     9 4 28 20 201 10.1 0 23 2.2 22.3                 201 0 0 1
2006 22 SFO TE 85 10 8 42 20 265 13.3 3 52 2.0 26.5 47.6% 2 5 0 9 2.5 0.5 0.2 270 3 1 2
2007 23 SFO TE 85 14 14 85 52 509 9.8 4 31 3.7 36.4 61.2%               509 4 1 4
2008 24 SFO TE 85 16 16 49 31 358 11.5 2 57 1.9 22.4 63.3% 1 11 0 11 11.0 0.7 0.1 369 2 2 3
2009* 25 SFO TE 85 16 16 128 78 965 12.4 13 73 4.9 60.3 60.9%               965 13 0 9
2010 26 SFO TE 85 16 16 93 56 914 16.3 7 66 3.5 57.1 60.2%               914 7 0 7
2011 27 SFO TE 85 16 16 95 67 792 11.8 6 44 4.2 49.5 70.5% 2 -5 0 -2 -2.5 -0.3 0.1 787 6 3 8
2012 28 SFO TE 85 16 16 61 41 548 13.4 5 53 2.6 34.3 67.2%               548 5 0 5
2013* 29 SFO TE 85 15 15 84 52 850 16.3 13 64 3.5 56.7 61.9%               850 13 1 9
2014 30 SFO TE 85 14 14 50 26 245 9.4 2 29 1.9 17.5 52.0% 1 4 0 4 4.0 0.3 0.1 249 2 0 2
2015 31 2TM     15 9 58 38 395 10.4 0 43 2.5 26.3 65.5%               395 0 0 2
    DEN te 80 9 4 28 20 201 10.1 0 23 2.2 22.3 71.4%               201 0 0 1
    SFO te 85 6 5 30 18 194 10.8 0 43 3.0 32.3 60.0%               194 0 0 1
2016 32 WAS TE/wr 85 16 14 59 44 583 13.3 2 44 2.8 36.4 74.6%               583 2 0 5
2017 33 WAS TE/wr 85 16 16 69 43 648 15.1 3 69 2.7 40.5 62.3%               648 3 2 5


Previous Year's Ranking - 16

Two of the older players on the roster back to back here, Davis was a great pick up for us 2 years ago.  Think about it this way, Davis' receiving stats the past two years have only been surpassed twice by Jordan Reed in his career.  While Reed has limped through the past two years Davis has essentially been our starting TE.  That performance and the sheer volume of newcomers to the list this year is why Davis moved up a few spots from last year.  

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#12 - DT Da'Ron Payne

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https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daron-payne-1.html

    Tackles Def Int Fumbles
Year School Conf Class Pos G Solo Ast Tot Loss Sk Int Yds Avg TD PD FR Yds TD FF
Career Alabama         39 63 102 5.0 3.0 1 21 21.0 0 5 2   1 1
*2015 Alabama SEC FR DL 8 6 7 13 0.5 0.5 0 0   0 1 0     1
*2016 Alabama SEC SO DL 13 12 24 36 3.5 1.5 0 0   0 1 1   1 0
*2017 Alabama SEC JR DL 14 21 32 53 1.0 1.0 1 21 21.0 0 3 1     0

*college stats*

 

Previous Year's Ranking - N/A
I don't think a rookie deserves to be in the top 10 as they are unproven as professionals so Payne comes in at 12.  He has a lot of raw ability but needs to be more consistent, especially in the passing game.  Some people seem to think he'll play DE, but IMO he should be our starting NT.  I'm hoping he causes a lot of havoc up front and opens everything up for everyone else.  That should be his main job.  Hoping for a big year from him.  

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#11 - HB Chris Thompson

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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/ThomCh03.htm

Games Rushing Receiving        
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       45 1 170 878 5 61 5.2 19.5 3.8 171 129 1126 8.7 9 74 2.9 25.0   2004 14 7 14
2013 23 WAS   25 4 0 0 0 0 0   0.0 0.0                   0 0 0 0
2014 24 WAS   25 2 0 3 12 0 7 4.0 6.0 1.5 7 6 27 4.5 1 9 3.0 13.5 85.7% 39 1 0 0
2015 25 WAS   25 13 0 35 216 0 42 6.2 16.6 2.7 48 35 240 6.9 2 23 2.7 18.5 72.9% 456 2 2 3
2016 26 WAS   25 16 0 68 356 3 25 5.2 22.3 4.3 62 49 349 7.1 2 38 3.1 21.8 79.0% 705 5 2 5
2017 27 WAS rb 25 10 1 64 294 2 61 4.6 29.4 6.4 54 39 510 13.1 4 74 3.9 51.0 72.2% 804 6 3 6

 

Previous Year's Ranking - 19
Thompson was having a breakout season before he got hurt last year.  He was pretty much our best offensive weapon on the field.  In 10 games he had over 800 yards from scrimmage, and that was playing limited snaps since he wasn't the starter.  He's gotten better every year, and if he could just stay healthy (I know a big if) I think he'll likely be our most explosive playmaker again on offense this year.  

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3 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

#14 - QB Alex Smith

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03.htm

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career       156 151 88-62-1 2877 4613 62.4 31888 183 4.0 96 2.1 80 6.9 6.8 11.1 204.4 87.4   388 2203 5.94 5.80 7.8 18 22 112
7 yrs SFO     80 75 38-36-1 1290 2177 59.3 14280 81 3.7 63 2.9 75 6.6 6.0 11.1 178.5 79.1   196 1182 5.52 5.01 8.3 9 11 40
5 yrs KAN     76 76 50-26-0 1587 2436 65.1 17608 102 4.2 33 1.4 80 7.2 7.5 11.1 231.7 94.8   192 1021 6.31 6.52 7.3 9 11 72
2005 21 SFO qb 11 9 7 2-5-0 84 165 50.9 875 1 0.6 11 6.7 47 5.3 2.4 10.4 97.2 40.8   29 185 3.56 1.11 14.9 1 2 -3
2006 22 SFO QB 11 16 16 7-9-0 257 442 58.1 2890 16 3.6 16 3.6 75 6.5 5.6 11.2 180.6 74.8 41.4 35 202 5.64 4.80 7.3 1 2 10
2007 23 SFO qb 11 7 7 2-5-0 94 193 48.7 914 2 1.0 4 2.1 45 4.7 4.0 9.7 130.6 57.2 20.4 17 121 3.78 3.11 8.1 2 2 0
2008   Missed season - Injured - shoulder
2009 25 SFO QB 11 11 10 5-5-0 225 372 60.5 2350 18 4.8 12 3.2 73 6.3 5.8 10.4 213.6 81.5 44.4 22 134 5.62 5.17 5.6     7
2010 26 SFO QB 11 11 10 3-7-0 204 342 59.6 2370 14 4.1 10 2.9 62 6.9 6.4 11.6 215.5 82.1 44.4 25 140 6.08 5.61 6.8     6
2011 27 SFO QB 11 16 16 13-3-0 273 445 61.3 3144 17 3.8 5 1.1 56 7.1 7.3 11.5 196.5 90.7 53.0 44 263 5.89 6.13 9.0 5 5 13
2012 28 SFO QB 11 10 9 6-2-1 153 218 70.2 1737 13 6.0 5 2.3 55 8.0 8.1 11.4 173.7 104.1 65.1 24 137 6.61 6.76 9.9     7
2013* 29 KAN QB 11 15 15 11-4-0 308 508 60.6 3313 23 4.5 7 1.4 71 6.5 6.8 10.8 220.9 89.1 62.1 39 210 5.67 5.94 7.1 1 1 14
2014 30 KAN QB 11 15 15 8-7-0 303 464 65.3 3265 18 3.9 6 1.3 70 7.0 7.2 10.8 217.7 93.4 51.7 45 229 5.96 6.14 8.8 3 3 13
2015 31 KAN QB 11 16 16 11-5-0 307 470 65.3 3486 20 4.3 7 1.5 80 7.4 7.6 11.4 217.9 95.4 58.4 45 235 6.31 6.48 8.7 1 1 16
2016* 32 KAN QB 11 15 15 11-4-0 328 489 67.1 3502 15 3.1 8 1.6 80 7.2 7.0 10.7 233.5 91.2 58.0 28 140 6.50 6.39 5.4 3 3 12
2017* 33 KAN QB 11 15 15 9-6-0 341 505 67.5 4042 26 5.1 5 1.0 79 8.0 8.6 11.9 269.5 104.7 63.6 35 207 7.10 7.65 6.5 1 3 17

 

Previous Year's Ranking - N/A

I think Smith is a solid but unspectacular veteran QB, which is why he comes in on the list in the mid teens here.  He's coming off a career year where he through for just over 4,000 passing yards with only 5 INTs.  The QBs have been talked to death this offseason so I won't spend a ton of time on this one, but I do think he will cut down on our overall turnovers.  It remains to be seen if his veteran knowledge can help in the running game with presnap calls.  Personally I think any gain from that will likely be mitigated by opposing defenses not fearing us going deep.  But we'll see.  

In 15 games. You forgot to mention he had 4,042 yards and 26 TDs in just 15 games because Andy Reid chose to rest him for the playoffs because he had such a good season that the Chiefs had home field advantage wrapped up a few weeks before the end of the season.

If Smith had played in week 17 last year, he likely would’ve had another 250 to 300 yard game with 2 or 3 Tds and then his stats are 4300 plus yards and 28 or 29 tds. 

Also, I just don’t see how a rookie NT and a back up TE that Alex threw too as a young QB and helped make a great TE are better than him.

I can’t think of 10 players better than Alex on the Redskins, in fact it’s hard to think of 5 better. You really sell him short.  

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GRAH!!!!!!

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24 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

In 15 games. You forgot to mention he had 4,042 yards and 26 TDs in just 15 games because Andy Reid chose to rest him for the playoffs because he had such a good season that the Chiefs had home field advantage wrapped up a few weeks before the end of the season.

If Smith had played in week 17 last year, he likely would’ve had another 250 to 300 yard game with 2 or 3 Tds and then his stats are 4300 plus yards and 28 or 29 tds. 

Also, I just don’t see how a rookie NT and a back up TE that Alex threw too as a young QB and helped make a great TE are better than him.

I can’t think of 10 players better than Alex on the Redskins, in fact it’s hard to think of 5 better. You really sell him short.  

I discount all new players because we don’t know how they will perform here.  That inherent risk lowers his value.  I’ll leave it at that, I could name a lot of other reasons.

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24 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

I discount all new players because we don’t know how they will perform here.  That inherent risk lowers his value.  I’ll leave it at that, I could name a lot of other reasons.

Yeah, that doesn’t pass the smell test because you ranked Payne over Alex Smith. Payne hasn’t played a snap in the NFL yet.

Let me ask you, who’s more proven out of the two?

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30 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Yeah, that doesn’t pass the smell test because you ranked Payne over Alex Smith. Payne hasn’t played a snap in the NFL yet.

Let me ask you, who’s more proven out of the two?

Ya and Payne and Smith are in the same tier in the ranking.  Except my opinion is that Alex Smith is an average to below average starter in the league, and that Payne is going to be really good.

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36 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

Ya and Payne and Smith are in the same tier in the ranking.  Except my opinion is that Alex Smith is an average to below average starter in the league, and that Payne is going to be really good.

Sure... and we know that how? You just said you discount new players. I guess that doesn’t include rookies. You have Richardson & Smith Ranked lower than some rookies. It’s clearly your list but based off of recent history snd what each of them did last year in the NFL - and not in college - it just doesn’t add up to me.

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2 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Sure... and we know that how? You just said you discount new players. I guess that doesn’t include rookies. You have Richardson & Smith Ranked lower than some rookies. It’s clearly your list but based off of recent history snd what each of them did last year in the NFL - and not in college - it just doesn’t add up to me.

It’s a projection of their play this year.  Ones an incoming 20 year old.  The other is in his mid 30s and just got traded away for the second time in his career because he isn’t good enough to win a SB with.

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11 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

It’s a projection of their play this year.  Ones an incoming 20 year old.  The other is in his mid 30s and just got traded away for the second time in his career because he isn’t good enough to win a SB with.

Counter point: One is coming off a career year and hitting his peak as a player. And, he is walking into a situation where he has a better OL,  better weapons and a better defense too if the team stays more healthy than last year.

The other guy may not even be a starter. A veteran may beat him out because he’s only a rookie. Not likely, but possible.

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9 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Counter point: One is coming off a career year and hitting his peak as a player. And, he is walking into a situation where he has a better OL,  better weapons and a better defense too if the team stays more healthy than last year.

The other guy may not even be a starter. A veteran may beat him out because he’s only a rookie. Not likely, but possible.

I can’t even respond to this post because I disagree with every single part of it.

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On 5/18/2018 at 11:01 AM, MKnight82 said:

This is my 4th year doing this list.  As before I'll be releasing 2-3 players per day on the list.  If you want to see the previous years you can go here:

2017

2016

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=578770 

2015

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=566620

 

2018 List

1. 

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8. 

9. 

10.

11.  HB Chris Thompson

12. DT Da'Ron Payne

13. TE Vernon Davis

14. QB Alex Smith

15. OLB Preston Smith

16. DE Matt Ioannidis

17. HB Derrius Guice

18. WR Josh Doctson

19. OC Chase Roullier

20. S Montae Nicholson

 

Honorable Mentions:

WR Paul Richardson

CB Fabian Moreau

I’m getting excited to see the top 10. I’m sensing we are going to see a punter in the top 10. A Punter! That’s a pretty telling story if it happens. I think this is a pretty accurate assessment so far. 

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Chris Thompson is too low. In my mind there's no way that guys like Jamison Crowder or Jordan Reed are more dynamic than him. 

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