MKnight82's Top 20 Most Talented Redskins of 2018 - Full List Up

[turtle28]

49 minutes ago, Woz said:

He could have a bounce back year, especially if they give the punt return duties to someone else.

That’s right, I’m hopeful he does. A big key for him is the health of Jordan Reed. If Reed played more than 1/2 the year like he did in 2015 and 16 that takes pressure of Crowder and opens up room for him to operate.

[MKnight82]

21 minutes ago, HTTRG3Dynasty said:

Vernon?

Crowder has outproduced Vernon both years he's been here.

[turtle28]

17 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

Crowder has outproduced Vernon both years he's been here.

Yeah, Crowder had a down year last year, but only by his standards and what we expected him to do which was duplicate his 2016 or surpass it.

It’s like when I told @oldman9er about what Crowder could do and did do two years ago in my prediction thread, he was surprised.

If Crowder didn’t have those drops fromlast year he probably ends up with 75 recs, 900 yards and 6 to 8 TDs.

[HTTRDynasty]

1 hour ago, MKnight82 said:

Crowder has outproduced Vernon both years he's been here.

I’m taking game-changing turnovers into account. 

[oldman9er]

54 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Yeah, Crowder had a down year last year, but only by his standards and what we expected him to do which was duplicate his 2016 or surpass it.

It’s like when I told @oldman9er about what Crowder could do and did do two years ago in my prediction thread, he was surprised.

If Crowder didn’t have those drops fromlast year he probably ends up with 75 recs, 900 yards and 6 to 8 TDs.

Yes, as someone far less aware of Redskins' past, I really didn't know that Crowder was so productive, the last few years. I remember him as a prospect, and remember liking him. It will be exciting to see what he can do with Alex and a healthy OL. I like those quick, sharp route-running WRs, and so does Smith. 

 

.. and nice thread concept you have here, @MKnight82 ... 

[MKnight82]

2 hours ago, oldman9er said:

Yes, as someone far less aware of Redskins' past, I really didn't know that Crowder was so productive, the last few years. I remember him as a prospect, and remember liking him. It will be exciting to see what he can do with Alex and a healthy OL. I like those quick, sharp route-running WRs, and so does Smith. 

 

.. and nice thread concept you have here, @MKnight82 ... 

It’s a good conversation starter in a dead part of the schedule.

[e16bball]

13 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

#9 - DE Jonathan Allen

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo01.htm

Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles					Sacks & Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Tkl	Ast	Sfty	AV
Career					5	5											1.0	3	7		2
2017	22	WAS	de	95	5	5											1.0	3	7		2

Previous Year's Ranking - 10

Allen's spot on the list is a projection, as I'm hoping he has a big year.  When he was on the field last year he was without question the 2nd most impactful front 7 member we had.  The addition of Payne and Ioannidis' emergence should open things up for him too.  The whole defense was better when he was on the field last year. 

I don’t think it’s too much of a projection, to be honest. I know he hasn’t played much for us yet, but from having seen him put in work (and having seen the defense drop off without him), I think he’s a star.

I’ll be a little surprised (and a little disappointed) if he’s not considered top 5-6 on this list by this time next year. Don’t want to spoil the remaining names on your list, but I think he’s already better than a certain ILB and I hope he’ll at least surpass a certain S and RT in terms of impact.  

  

[MKnight82]

8 hours ago, e16bball said:

I don’t think it’s too much of a projection, to be honest. I know he hasn’t played much for us yet, but from having seen him put in work (and having seen the defense drop off without him), I think he’s a star.

I’ll be a little surprised (and a little disappointed) if he’s not considered top 5-6 on this list by this time next year. Don’t want to spoil the remaining names on your list, but I think he’s already better than a certain ILB and I hope he’ll at least surpass a certain S and RT in terms of impact.  

  

I don’t think that’s an unreasonable projection but after playing limited games in his first year I thought it was prudent to discount him a bit for further injury risk.

[turtle28]

19 hours ago, HTTRG3Dynasty said:

I’m taking game-changing turnovers into account. 

Vernon has had some bad drops and fumbles too. One of Vernon’s fumbles was returned for a TD two years ago.

[turtle28]

9 hours ago, e16bball said:

I don’t think it’s too much of a projection, to be honest. I know he hasn’t played much for us yet, but from having seen him put in work (and having seen the defense drop off without him), I think he’s a star.

I’ll be a little surprised (and a little disappointed) if he’s not considered top 5-6 on this list by this time next year. Don’t want to spoil the remaining names on your list, but I think he’s already better than a certain ILB and I hope he’ll at least surpass a certain S and RT in terms of impact.  

  

Yeah, I’ll be shocked if Allen doesn’t have 50 tackles and 5 sacks. That’s what I predicted in my thread, and I think that’s being conservative.

[MKnight82]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

Vernon has had some bad drops and fumbles too. One of Vernon’s fumbles was returned for a TD two years ago.

Also weren’t most of Crowder’s turnovers on PRs?  Maybe he should just be benched as PR and concentrate on WR.

[HTTRDynasty]

1 hour ago, turtle28 said:

Vernon has had some bad drops and fumbles too. One of Vernon’s fumbles was returned for a TD two years ago.

1 vs what?  Like 10?  I’m on my phone so can’t check right now. 

[turtle28]

57 minutes ago, HTTRG3Dynasty said:

1 vs what?  Like 10?  I’m on my phone so can’t check right now. 

VD had 2. One was returned for a TD in the San Fran game and totally changed the momentum in that game and began to allow them back in the game.

Crowder had 8. 3 as a receiver and an unbelievable horrible 5 as a punt returner with 3 of them leading to eventual TDs for Philly, Oak and Dal but they weren’t returned for TDs.

[HTTRDynasty]

14 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

VD had 2. One was returned for a TD in the San Fran game and totally changed the momentum in that game and began to allow them back in the game.

Crowder had 8. 3 as a receiver and an unbelievable horrible 5 as a punt returner with 3 of them leading to eventual TDs for Philly, Oak and Dal but they weren’t returned for TDs.

8? That’s ridiculous. 

[MKnight82]

#8 - S DJ Swearinger

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SweaDJ00.htm

 

Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles					Sacks & Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Tkl	Ast	Sfty	AV
Career					75	51	10	76	0	31	29	6	1	3	12	0	3.5	238	67		24
2 yrs		ARI			20	13	3	13	0	12	9	1	0	1	0	0	2.0	63	8		6
2 yrs		HOU			32	22	3	31	0	25	10	4	0	1	0	0	1.0	106	38		10
1 yr		TAM			7	0						0	0	1	12	0		8	3		1
1 yr		WAS			16	16	4	32	0	31	10	1	1	0	0	0	0.5	61	18
2013	22	HOU	SS	36	16	10	1	0	0	0	4	1	0	0	0	0		54	16		4
2014	23	HOU	SS	36	16	12	2	31	0	25	6	3	0	1	0	0	1.0	52	22		6
2015	24	2TM			11	1	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	2	12	0		15	3		2
		ARI	db	36	4	1	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	0	0		7	0		1
		TAM		36	7	0						0	0	1	12	0		8	3		1
2016	25	ARI	db/fs/s/ss	36	16	12	3	13	0	12	8						2.0	56	8		5
2017	26	WAS	FS/s	36	16	16	4	32	0	31	10	1	1	0	0	0	0.5	61	18		7

Previous Year's Ranking - 11

DJ Swearinger brings a combination of physicality and playmaking ability to our secondary has been missing for awhile.  Its fitting that he wears #36, because he's the first Redskins Safety to have 4 INTs in a season since Sean Taylor did it in 2007.  He also had a forced fumble for 5 turnovers on the year.  I think its impressive too that he was voted team Captain his first year with the Redskins.  He brings a lot of value to our secondary and should be a good player for us in 2018.