SmittyBacall Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: No he's not. Prime Watt is better, but not by a significant amount, let alone present day both healthy. Dude, prime Watt is literally the defensive GOAT. I'd say anything below that is significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: Dude, prime Watt is literally the defensive GOAT. I'd say anything below that is significant. Donald is working himself into that same breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: Donald is working himself into that same breath Donald is working himself into a prime where he averages 17+ sacks over a 4 year span, including two 20+ sack seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: Donald is working himself into a prime where he averages 17+ sacks over a 4 year span, including two 20+ sack seasons? Since when do sack numbers alone justify how good a player is? Let's make this clear, I said that Watt is not significantly better than Donald. I'm not saying Donald is as good or better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: Since when do sack numbers alone justify how good a player is? Who said alone? TFL: Watt (30/prime season), Donald (22, best single season). Pass deflection: Watt (10+/prime season), Donald (5, best single season). FF: Watt (15 in 4 year span), Donald (9 in 4 year span). QB Hits: Watt (47/season), Donald (37, best single season). Watt’s prime statistically blows away what Donald has done so far. 11 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: Let's make this clear, I said that Watt is not significantly better than Donald. I'm not saying Donald is as good or better... You said he’s making his way into the same breath as prime Watt. Which he still has a ways to go to achieve. Donald’s a beast and is getting better. He’ll probably have his biggest year yet playing with Suh. But he’s not close yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Prime Watt, though it's VERY questionable whether we'll ever see him again, is #1 over Donald to me, but it's not a huge gap. Both of them are mold breakers who have been playing at a GOAT-esque level. I predict that Watt is only able to get to about 80% of his former self and has forever lost a a bit of explosiveness, so for now I'd go Donald 1 and Watt 2 heading into season. Will do a full top 10 later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I really think Leonard Williams gets to star status this next season. His QB hits have to start turning into sacks and TFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 51 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Prime Watt, though it's VERY questionable whether we'll ever see him again, is #1 over Donald to me, but it's not a huge gap. Both of them are mold breakers who have been playing at a GOAT-esque level. I predict that Watt is only able to get to about 80% of his former self and has forever lost a a bit of explosiveness, so for now I'd go Donald 1 and Watt 2 heading into season. Will do a full top 10 later. I've already bought into us never seeing prime Watt again. I think everyone has. This being said, we've never seen Donald come even close to what prime Watt has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, JBURGE25 said: Since when do sack numbers alone justify how good a player is? Let's make this clear, I said that Watt is not significantly better than Donald. I'm not saying Donald is as good or better... It's not just sack numbers. It's TFLs, pick sixes, passes defended...hell, he's even caught a few TD passes as a TE. Only player I've ever seen that creates chaos like prime Watt is Lawrence Taylor. Prime Watt is something we've never seen before, and probably won't see again (Nick Bosa is probably the closest thing I've seen to prime Watt, and he's still not quite there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 If Watt retires or never plays that well again he is a 1st ballot HOFer without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said: It's not just sack numbers. It's TFLs, pick sixes, passes defended...hell, he's even caught a few TD passes as a TE. Only player I've ever seen that creates chaos like prime Watt is Lawrence Taylor. Prime Watt is something we've never seen before, and probably won't see again (Nick Bosa is probably the closest thing I've seen to prime Watt, and he's still not quite there). I don't really get the Nick Bosa plug It's hard to compare anyone to Watt because he can play every DL spot, but I think Donald is clearly the next best thing on the interior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: I don't really get the Nick Bosa plug It's about the havok he brings to the field. When Bosa attacks, he just dominates the guy in front of him, just ragdolls folks. You know it when you see it - OL just flailing at wind, or being thrown to the ground like they're kids. 11 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: It's hard to compare anyone to Watt because he can play every DL spot, but I think Donald is clearly the next best thing on the interior I can agree to this - Donald is a fantastic player, well on his way to a HoF career - very reminiscent to Ndamukong Suh, just a disruptive presence. Prime Watt? His only comparison is Reggie White, he's in a very rare class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 7 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said: I've already bought into us never seeing prime Watt again. I think everyone has. This being said, we've never seen Donald anyone come even close to what prime Watt has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 10 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Who said alone? TFL: Watt (30/prime season), Donald (22, best single season). Pass deflection: Watt (10+/prime season), Donald (5, best single season). FF: Watt (15 in 4 year span), Donald (9 in 4 year span). QB Hits: Watt (47/season), Donald (37, best single season). Watt’s prime statistically blows away what Donald has done so far. You said he’s making his way into the same breath as prime Watt. Which he still has a ways to go to achieve. Donald’s a beast and is getting better. He’ll probably have his biggest year yet playing with Suh. But he’s not close yet. QB pressures best figures; Watt (65), Donald (45). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 10 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said: I've already bought into us never seeing prime Watt again. I think everyone has. Not me. I have faith we'll see god-mode again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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