buno67 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 3 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: It’s nice in theory until we’re down by 20 and have to pass. Which is what has happened the past 2 years. Last two years the Browns have had garbage defenses. On paper, the browns next season might have the most athletic defense in franchise history IMO. At least over the past 30years. Hell this might be the best front7 in Browns history with the combo of DEs and LBs It’s hard to be a good running team when your defense sucks. Hopefully we see improvement running the ball when the defense has the potential to stop opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 hours ago, buno67 said: Last two years the Browns have had garbage defenses. On paper, the browns next season might have the most athletic defense in franchise history IMO. At least over the past 30years. Hell this might be the best front7 in Browns history with the combo of DEs and LBs It’s hard to be a good running team when your defense sucks. Hopefully we see improvement running the ball when the defense has the potential to stop opponents. Don't buy that as the reason at all. The defense has been better than the offense the last two years so if either side were to blame the other for putting them in a bad spot it's the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buno67 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 8 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: Don't buy that as the reason at all. The defense has been better than the offense the last two years so if either side were to blame the other for putting them in a bad spot it's the D. Defense might look better cause opposing offenses don’t have to try, so once they get one or two score lead they can just kill the clock. Offense and defense have been garbage. Offense never helped the defense and the defense never helped the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, buno67 said: Defense might look better cause opposing offenses don’t have to try, so once they get one or two score lead they can just kill the clock. Offense and defense have been garbage. Offense never helped the defense and the defense never helped the offense. So we're picking up garbage time defensive stats? Our defense hasn't been good, but if you think being down 2 scores helps the defense appear better and not the offense I disagree. If you give the defense a lead they can play more aggressive. If you have the lead the offense usually plays more conservative. Yeah neither unit has been good but take away our offensive turnovers and our defense looks a lot better last year. I will say that our secondary played like we were up 8 with 2 minutes to go all last year and was a big reason why they were bad but that advantage usually only helps the defense towards the end of games, not entire games when losing most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 excellent price excellent signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/7/2018 at 5:33 PM, Mind Character said: I thought that at first too, but then I looked at the numbers... the numbers tell a different story. It's a good contract for Duke.. it's just the unfortunate and terrible reality of RBs. In truth, this contract puts Duke Johnson and Carlos Hyde as the 8th and 9th RBs in the league in terms of AVERAGE ANNUAL Salary. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/running-back/ Le'Veon Bell is the outlier on the franchise tag at 14Mil plus. Top RB1s ahead of Duke and Carlos Hyde are either 1.) On recent Rookie CBA slotted deals like Fournette and Ezekiel Elliot making their average annual higher, or 2.) RB1s that have captured multiple pro-bowls and/or Rushing titles like Lesean Mccoy (8Mil per), Devonta Freeman ($8.25M per)... that leaves just 2 RBs ahead of Duke with Jerrick McKinnon who the 49ers overpaid giving him 7.5Million (the whole league thought they overpaid him) and Lamar Miller making 6.5Million for being Houston's lead RB. In fact, the $7.7 Million guaranteed at signing on a 3-year deal when adjusted for contract length of other RBs and taking out the rookie contracts (rookies are guaranteed a lot due to the CBA), in terms of guranteed money Duke has a top 6 RB contract based on active players. So, he did good for himself. His contract would be different if he was able to make the case as a slot WR .... the RB market is just really really bad for the players... but all in all Duke has top 8 avg annual salary and a top 6 contract in terms of adjusted $ guaranteed at salary. For a player that has yet to be given the opportunity to be a lead back, it's a really good contracts based on the current market. Even compared to Isiah Cro Frankly, Duke and Hyde are both being overpaid. (Landry too) But especially in Duke's case. Hyde at least has been a #1 RB before and at least flashed the talent of a franchise back in SF. Johnson has never been good as a runner. And his catches have been amassed on a team with one of the worst WR groups in the league the past few seasons. He's not as good as many think he is. I get extending him with all the cap room but there's a lot of wasted money in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDean Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, BrownLeader said: Frankly, Duke and Hyde are both being overpaid. (Landry too) But especially in Duke's case. Hyde at least has been a #1 RB before and at least flashed the talent of a franchise back in SF. Johnson has never been good as a runner. And his catches have been amassed on a team with one of the worst WR groups in the league the past few seasons. He's not as good as many think he is. I get extending him with all the cap room but there's a lot of wasted money in there. Could not disagree more. I actually do not view Duke as a RB I view Duke as a weapon. He will line up all over the field depending on defense formations and foul up their scheming now that we have an actual offensive team. Just watch. Also, one of the reasons he hasn’t looked great running is that teams stack the box against the run on us and they try to run him up the middle. None of our backs have looked good. This year the box won’t be stacked, and hopefully when he runs it will be more sweeps than up the middle. Much like Metcalf from days gone by, running up the middle is not his strong suit. We Have Hyde and Chubb for that. Duke can line up in the slot. He can line up on the outside to create an overload. He won’t put up huge numbers most likely simply because there are a lot of mouths to feed on our offense now, but he will be valuable. Landry also won’t likely put up the catch totals that he did in Miami, but he will also do well. It’s freaking nice to have Gordon Landry, Coleman, Calloway, Njoku, Devalve, Johnson, Hyde, and Chubb. We look to finally have a glut of playmakers on offense and a top notch OC that will be able to focus just on running the offense and not managing the game, and acimpetent QB to make it work. It’s a very good time to be a Browns fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BrownLeader said: Frankly, Duke and Hyde are both being overpaid. (Landry too) But especially in Duke's case. Hyde at least has been a #1 RB before and at least flashed the talent of a franchise back in SF. Johnson has never been good as a runner. And his catches have been amassed on a team with one of the worst WR groups in the league the past few seasons. He's not as good as many think he is. I get extending him with all the cap room but there's a lot of wasted money in there. Strongly disagree. Duke actually ran the ball pretty well last season, but simply wasn't given many opportunities to do so. And he's easily one of the best receiving backs in the league. His versatility makes him more valuable than many RBs in the league. Really not sure how anyone could be critical of this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BrownLeader said: Frankly, Duke and Hyde are both being overpaid. (Landry too) But especially in Duke's case. Hyde at least has been a #1 RB before and at least flashed the talent of a franchise back in SF. Johnson has never been good as a runner. And his catches have been amassed on a team with one of the worst WR groups in the league the past few seasons. He's not as good as many think he is. I get extending him with all the cap room but there's a lot of wasted money in there. He makes about a third of what Bell does while having about half of the production. Duke has also averaged more yards per carry and reception over him the last two years, he just doesn't get the touches that Bell does which may or may not be why his average is a little better. They may be overpaid and Bell certainly is but Duke's ability to produce shouldn't make you question how much he got paid, it is whether he will get enough touches to be able to earn what he is paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: He makes about a third of what Bell does while having about half of the production. Duke has also averaged more yards per carry and reception over him the last two years, he just doesn't get the touches that Bell does which may or may not be why his average is a little better. They may be overpaid and Bell certainly is but Duke's ability to produce shouldn't make you question how much he got paid, it is whether he will get enough touches to be able to earn what he is paid. This. Phenomenal signing. Dorsey is going for a quick turnaround and is saturating the roster with new talent while locking up a proven piece. I love our RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: This. Phenomenal signing. Dorsey is going for a quick turnaround and is saturating the roster with new talent while locking up a proven piece. I love our RBs. It is good to get a negatives response. However I agree that it is a good signing. Duke is making 3% of the cap. He will be at least 10% of the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Duke Johnson was arguably our best player last season. He's not even in his prime yet either. There's no reason to think this is a bad signing. We brought back the only playmaker we had last season instead of letting him walk and become a monster on a team like the Patriots. As we build up the talent that surrounds him, he'll only get more opportunities to shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 million a year and some of y’all think it’s an overpay? That’s less than 3% of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I would have waited to see his fit into the new offense before paying him as a top ten RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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