NFLExpert49 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: That's not even close to the same thing. It's exactly the same thing. Being alive doesn't mean you're required to show up. You're not obligated to speak in order to receive an award. It does not work that way in any other award on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: It's exactly the same thing. Being alive doesn't mean you're required to show up. You're not obligated to speak in order to receive an award. It does not work that way in any other award on the planet. Those players didn't make a choice to refuse to attend the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Those players didn't make a choice to refuse to attend the event. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, NFLExpert49 said: So what? Okay, sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Okay, sounds good. What difference does it make whether they chose not to attend or they simply couldn't? Attendance is not a requirement. Why should they be outraged about him not attending the ceremony, meanwhile they have done nothing about a member who murdered two people (O.J. Simpson), a member who attempted to murder a person (Michael Irvin), and a member who was twice accused of rape, including being put on trial for the second one (James Lofton), among others with egregious off-field history? People should get off this idea of the HOF being some kind of sentimental award. That notion is laughable. It's an award given by scumbag sports writers where they're just supposed to evaluate on-field performance and award it based on that. It's like a lifetime achievement award in the arts, only it's a stretch to consider football an art. It contributes nothing to humanity other than low-brow entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywlker32 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said: What difference does it make whether they chose not to attend or they simply couldn't? Attendance is not a requirement. Why should they be outraged about him not attending the ceremony, meanwhile they have done nothing about a member who murdered two people (O.J. Simpson), a member who attempted to murder a person (Michael Irvin), and a member who was twice accused of rape, including being put on trial for the second one (James Lofton), among others with egregious off-field history? People should get off this idea of the HOF being some kind of sentimental award. That notion is laughable. It's an award given by scumbag sports writers where they're just supposed to evaluate on-field performance and award it based on that. It's like a lifetime achievement award in the arts, only it's a stretch to consider football an art. It contributes nothing to humanity other than low-brow entertainment. And he is still getting his award, but they just won't go into a highlight reel for him. He did not want to attend, so he shouldn't be upset himself by the decision. If he has the ability to attend (aka IS ALIVE) and wants to have his play recognized via a highlight reel or speech about him, then he should have chose to attend. The committee has no obligation to do anything but announce that he is a part of the induction class. It appears that sports writers have kicked your dog at some point, but they are still the decision makers for this award. I don't know who else you feel would be more qualified. You also say that this shouldn't be a sentimental award...well then great, they aren't giving any sentiment to someone that chose not to go to the ceremony. If Owens wanted to be there, but couldn't afford to as some people have argued, then her could have spoke remotely. If he chose not to go because he holds a grudge against the committee or other HoFers, then he shouldn't care whether they recognize him at all. Either way, the decision to do nothing aside from mention his name in the induction class shouldn't matter to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 13 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said: What difference does it make whether they chose not to attend or they simply couldn't? Attendance is not a requirement. Why should they be outraged about him not attending the ceremony, meanwhile they have done nothing about a member who murdered two people (O.J. Simpson), a member who attempted to murder a person (Michael Irvin), and a member who was twice accused of rape, including being put on trial for the second one (James Lofton), among others with egregious off-field history? People should get off this idea of the HOF being some kind of sentimental award. That notion is laughable. It's an award given by scumbag sports writers where they're just supposed to evaluate on-field performance and award it based on that. It's like a lifetime achievement award in the arts, only it's a stretch to consider football an art. It contributes nothing to humanity other than low-brow entertainment. OJ wouldn’t be in right now if the murder trial happened before he was inducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 17 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said: It's exactly the same thing. Being alive doesn't mean you're required to show up. You're not obligated to speak in order to receive an award. It does not work that way in any other award on the planet. It’s not an award. It’s a distinction to honor people. The people doing the honoring don’t have to make an extra effort if you blow them off. He can get his jacket mailed to him and his bust placed in the hall and that’s it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, lancerman said: OJ wouldn’t be in right now if the murder trial happened before he was inducted. I think Jim Tyrer has been passed over as well due to the circumstances surrounding his death, which occurred just around the time he was eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, lancerman said: OJ wouldn’t be in right now if the murder trial happened before he was inducted. But they haven't removed him since. Yet some people suggest Owens should be removed simply because he declined to attend the ceremony. Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, skywlker32 said: And he is still getting his award, but they just won't go into a highlight reel for him. He did not want to attend, so he shouldn't be upset himself by the decision. If he has the ability to attend (aka IS ALIVE) and wants to have his play recognized via a highlight reel or speech about him, then he should have chose to attend. The committee has no obligation to do anything but announce that he is a part of the induction class. It appears that sports writers have kicked your dog at some point, but they are still the decision makers for this award. I don't know who else you feel would be more qualified. You also say that this shouldn't be a sentimental award...well then great, they aren't giving any sentiment to someone that chose not to go to the ceremony. If Owens wanted to be there, but couldn't afford to as some people have argued, then her could have spoke remotely. If he chose not to go because he holds a grudge against the committee or other HoFers, then he shouldn't care whether they recognize him at all. Either way, the decision to do nothing aside from mention his name in the induction class shouldn't matter to him. He should get the same recognition from them as a deceased person would get. He's under no obligation to attend the award in order to get whatever recognition would be given to anyone else who didn't attend. It makes no difference whether it's a choice or not. He's entitled to say, "no, thanks" on attending. Who else would be more qualified? Basically, anyone. Anyone who didn't spend their career lying about athletes in order to generate their revenue. Perhaps former players. Perhaps even put it up to a fan vote. Those would be far higher honors than a bunch of lying scumbag weasel cowards who derive self-importance from their moral judgment of athletes, honesty and fact checking be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: But they haven't removed him since. Yet some people suggest Owens should be removed simply because he declined to attend the ceremony. Laughable. It hard to say he was good enough as a player to go in and then years later say that something that happened well after his playing career was enough to take him out. He would never have gotten in if year 4 after retirement all that happened. When you say some people you mean ONE voter who VOTED FOR HIM got upset and said something dumb on twitter like about a million people do every day and then deleted it and are using it as an indictment on everyone imvolved. It’s overplayed and pretty disengenous imo. And he didn’t even say he should be removed. He said he would reconsider his vote. Which again, basically the day TO said he wasn’t going so more likely a pissed off guy having an outburst that didn’t mean much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: He should get the same recognition from them as a deceased person would get. He's under no obligation to attend the award in order to get whatever recognition would be given to anyone else who didn't attend. It makes no difference whether it's a choice or not. He's entitled to say, "no, thanks" on attending. Who else would be more qualified? Basically, anyone. Anyone who didn't spend their career lying about athletes in order to generate their revenue. Perhaps former players. Perhaps even put it up to a fan vote. Those would be far higher honors than a bunch of lying scumbag weasel cowards who derive self-importance from their moral judgment of athletes, honesty and fact checking be damned. A deceased person usually has their family there considering it a huge honor on behalf of a loved one and they are trying to make sure he is represented. TO isn’t getting that because he is spurning the whole thing so there is nobody who is doing it on his behalf. So basically because he is trying to prove a point they have to do something they’ve never done before and pick someone to celebrate him against his wishes.... no that’s stupid. He’s alive, if he wanted to be celebrated at the ceremony he should go. Id much rather they give everyone else more time to talk than waste time on the guy who didn’t care to be there. Basically anyone? Every year the players make a top 100 list that is the drizzling ****s. Worse than whose in the HOF. That’s who we want? The fans? Lol yeah okay. They do such s great job with pro bowl votes. Please the two barometers we have for how they would decide is terrible, meanwhile the list of people in the Hall is generally pretty prestigious. Significantly better than what those groups give us whenever they have decision making power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywlker32 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 30 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: He should get the same recognition from them as a deceased person would get. He's under no obligation to attend the award in order to get whatever recognition would be given to anyone else who didn't attend. It makes no difference whether it's a choice or not. He's entitled to say, "no, thanks" on attending. Who else would be more qualified? Basically, anyone. Anyone who didn't spend their career lying about athletes in order to generate their revenue. Perhaps former players. Perhaps even put it up to a fan vote. Those would be far higher honors than a bunch of lying scumbag weasel cowards who derive self-importance from their moral judgment of athletes, honesty and fact checking be damned. He entitled to say "no thanks" and the HoF committee is entitled to not give him the same ceremonial treatment as others that showed up to accept the honor. There is no rule stating that Owens HAS to attend, but there is no rule stating how the ceremony must go for each player. You could say that they have set precedent on the amount of attention that they give each player, but that was a precedent for players that attended the ceremony or were dead. There is no precedent for Owens induction because he is the first ever person to not attend. This is the precedent for future people that may not attend. As @lancermansaid, ex-players are very poorly prepared to select fellow players to enter the HoF as shown by the top 100 list. Not only that, but you'd have players trying to push their guys in constantly. And the fan vote is laughable because the probowl is laughable. In the end, you won't acknowledge that you are over-reacting to sports writers because one of them must have spurned you or one of your "scout friends," but this is the process. There would not be a HoF without the sports writers. If you don't feel it would be an honor for them to select someone, then this shouldn't even be a blip on your radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said: But they haven't removed him since. Yet some people suggest Owens should be removed simply because he declined to attend the ceremony. Laughable. I'd take Owens out. His childish behavior is PRECISELY why he had to wait in the first place. By acting the way he is acting, he is proving their very point. He's too stupid to figure this out. They can mail him his jacket, and I hope when he tries it on, the arms are too short. As far as OJ is concerned, I would have no problem whatsoever if the Hall of Fame completely removed him. Let him be anathema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.