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So we are getting deeper into the offseason where rosters are getting more solidified. My question is heading into TC and OTAs a lot of players remain unsigned such as Kenny Vaccaro, Demarco Murray, Eric Reid, Johnathan Hankins and Dez Bryant. We also know notable players will be released from roster cuts after training camp.

My question is how does everybody feel about the roster as it currently stands in terms of top tier talent surrounded with good depth. Where do you think we can still pick up a guy that are still out there or might be cut by their respective teams to help a certain position group that you feel still needs attention.

Any names out there you think will be let go? What positions do you still feel need some additional attention? Who do you have your eyes on?

Ill start with pass rusher. I still think there needs to be another specialist type of guy off the edge. No idea who is still out there or who might be cut (like Kendricks) but I like how the defense is shaping up. Im not hugely sold on Ogbah to be a reliable consistent #2 opposite of Garrett. I would like a little more punch opposite of him in rotation. Im thinking Elvis Dumervil who can still provide a little impact and provide great veteran leadership and teaching with the young guys like how he did with Von Miller at a young age. He would also essentially be free given his market.

Thoughts?

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Disagree about Ogbah and Dumervil is a mid 30s one trick pony and that trick is a speed rush and not really at end. I'd rather use Collins or Kendricks in that role.

I'd look at offensive tackles pending how our guys do. We have question marks we don't really have holes so I think we need to see how the question marks do before we really know what we need but my guess would be O-Line.

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I don't really want any more free agents. We have guys that appear to be solid starters at every position and where we lack depth we have supremely young talent that hasn't had a shot yet. I don't want to sign guys like Dez and stunt the growth of a Callaway/Coleman. Whatever net gain you MIGHT get for bringing in a Dez or some other veteran isn't worth stunting the growth/upside of these younger guys.

There is a 0% chance we sign another corner. The CB room is loaded with guys right now that our current GM essentially handcrafted. The only position I think we might bring someone else in at is DT. But I don't want some 28-34 year old middling veteran to come in here and take reps away from Brantley and Coley. We just need to roll the dice with what we have and attack FA's and upgrades in the 2019 draft if the young guys don't step up.

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2 hours ago, AkronsWitness said:

Elvis Dumervil

He is one of my favorite pass rushers of all-time dating back to his days at Louisville. But he's done as an impact player. Hard pass.

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24 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

He is one of my favorite pass rushers of all-time dating back to his days at Louisville. But he's done as an impact player. Hard pass.

I still think he can contribute in Nassibs role who has proven to be a JAG. At least Elvis can provide leadership and become a mentor for Garrett/Ogbah. He will essentially be free to sign and I think his knowledge and presence is what you would be bringing him in for while rotating in passing situations.

By looking at every move the Browns have made, they have paired a veteran at a position of young talent. Chris Smith is there, but how much leadership to the D-Line does he really provide. Every other position group has a veteran stud or leader. Except the D-line.

I would also (call me crazy) sign Eric Reid at FS and move Randall back to CB. Again, he would come extremely cheap at basically no hit on the cap and he is All-Pro.

A secondary of Reid (FS) Peppers (SS) Ward (CB1) Randall (CB2) Gaines (CB3) Carrie (CB4) would be insanity.

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15 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said:

I still think he can contribute in Nassibs role who has proven to be a JAG. At least Elvis can provide leadership and become a mentor for Garrett/Ogbah. He will essentially be free to sign and I think his knowledge and presence is what you would be bringing him in for while rotating in passing situations.

By looking at every move the Browns have made, they have paired a veteran at a position of young talent. Chris Smith is there, but how much leadership to the D-Line does he really provide. Every other position group has a veteran stud or leader. Except the D-line.

I would also (call me crazy) sign Eric Reid at FS and move Randall back to CB. Again, he would come extremely cheap at basically no hit on the cap and he is All-Pro.

A secondary of Reid (FS) Peppers (SS) Ward (CB1) Randall (CB2) Gaines (CB3) Carey (CB4) would be insanity.

Reid struggles in coverage. He's a solid-good SS. Randall is a solid corner with the potential to be an impact FS. 

The only positions I'd be watching, barring injuries on our roster, is OT and pass rush. LT is our most likely problem position. Can never have too much pass rush.

Obviously, this excludes the Db's in the supplemental draft.

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QB is the biggest question mark on the team. 
then the next biggest issue is LT, after than it is a run stuffing DT. 

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the only person I want to add is Beal in the Supplemental draft. He Ward could possibly be LOB great one day. Then if he’s cheap and will take a one year Hankins. But I’m fine with roster we have 

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5 minutes ago, bosko1616 said:

the only person I want to add is Beal in the Supplemental draft. He Ward could possibly be LOB great one day. Then if he’s cheap and will take a one year Hankins. But I’m fine with roster we have 

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22 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said:

QB is the biggest question mark on the team. 
then the next biggest issue is LT, after than it is a run stuffing DT. 

Hey, buddy. I wasn't so much talking about question marks as I was talking about position with potentially no answers. With QB, we know Tyrod can play, maybe not top 10, but he can play. After him, we know Baker may struggle, but he's the guy who'll be given the reigns for a while to see if he developed.

LT, on the other hand, has a vet we have no real idea if he can hold down the position at all in Coleman. He had his struggles on the right side. Now, maybe, as has been speculated, he's more inclined to the left side. We'll see, but I'm not confident at all.

Behind him, we have a rookie draft pick who most felt would be better off in the interior of the line. Behind him, we have a 24 year old UDFA with a history of problems and raw skills.

I'm just saying, LT could turn into a turnstile this season. It could be awful. That is the only position I feel that way about. Everywhere else, I think we could expect average-mediocre if things go bad. 

If Coleman and Harrison struggle, I'd give the position to Corbett. I think he's good enough, with enough LT technique and experience, to hold down the fort until next off-season. He might be average at best, but I can see the others being awful.

Run stuffing DTs are so undervalued right now I wouldn't worry about replacing one. I think they're there to be found.

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6 minutes ago, Fatgerman said:

Hey, buddy. I wasn't so much talking about question marks as I was talking about position with potentially no answers. With QB, we know Tyrod can play, maybe not top 10, but he can play. After him, we know Baker may struggle, but he's the guy who'll be given the reigns for a while to see if he developed.

LT, on the other hand, has a vet we have no real idea if he can hold down the position at all in Coleman. He had his struggles on the right side. Now, maybe, as has been speculated, he's more inclined to the left side. We'll see, but I'm not confident at all.

Behind him, we have a rookie draft pick who most felt would be better off in the interior of the line. Behind him, we have a 24 year old UDFA with a history of problems and raw skills.

I'm just saying, LT could turn into a turnstile this season. It could be awful. That is the only position I feel that way about. Everywhere else, I think we could expect average-mediocre if things go bad. 

If Coleman and Harrison struggle, I'd give the position to Corbett. I think he's good enough, with enough LT technique and experience, to hold down the fort until next off-season. He might be average at best, but I can see the others being awful.

Run stuffing DTs are so undervalued right now I wouldn't worry about replacing one. I think they're there to be found.

I totally agree with your assessment of the LT spot, it could be Sepncer Drango 2.0. 

My concern with the DT's is that I don't want there to be an easy way to kick our backsides. If you ran up the gut for an easy 3-5 yards often it would suck. 

 I like our roster TBH outside of LT. My concern is this equation RH2 "roster x hue squared'. Hue made a 2-4 win team last year tank. What will he do with a team that has the talent to 8-11 games?

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4 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said:

I totally agree with your assessment of the LT spot, it could be Sepncer Drango 2.0. 

My concern with the DT's is that I don't want there to be an easy way to kick our backsides. If you ran up the gut for an easy 3-5 yards often it would suck. 

 I like our roster TBH outside of LT. My concern is this equation RH2 "roster x hue squared'. Hue made a 2-4 win team last year tank. What will he do with a team that has the talent to 8-11 games?

We're on the same page.;)

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15 minutes ago, Fatgerman said:

We're on the same page.;)

I dont like how the entire o-line is in limbo. Nobody knows where Coleman/Bitonio/Corbett/Hubbard are even going to play or who is even good at what.

I feel like we are shuffling too much and playing guys out of their natural position.

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5 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said:

I dont like how the entire o-line is in limbo. Nobody knows where Coleman/Bitonio/Corbett/Hubbard are even going to play or who is even good at what.

I feel like we are shuffling too much and playing guys out of their natural position.

I understand the feeling. If it makes you feel any better, I think the only real question is LT.

Bitonio is LG, Tretter is center, Zeitler is RG, Hubbard is RT. Hubbard was actually pretty good at RT in Pittsburgh, especially if you remove one terrible game early in the season.

LT is the hole. Coleman gets first crack, Corbett and Harrison will compete for the next shot. Rod Johnson is a wild card.

I actually think Darren Fells was signed as a top notch blocker for this very reason. If LT is hurting the offense, expect allot of TE help from Fells, which would probably lead to allot of two TE sets.

 

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2 minutes ago, Fatgerman said:

I understand the feeling. If it makes you feel any better, I think the only real question is LT.

Bitonio is LG, Tretter is center, Zeitler is RG, Hubbard is RT. Hubbard was actually pretty good at RT in Pittsburgh, especially if you remove one terrible game early in the season.

LT is the hole. Coleman gets first crack, Corbett and Harrison will compete for the next shot. Rod Johnson is a wild card.

I actually think Darren Fells was signed as a top notch blocker for this very reason. If LT is hurting the offense, expect allot of TE help from Fells, which would probably lead to allot of two TE sets.

 

 I agree with fells. It could even be a week by week situation. Coleman looks like he will struggle with speed rushers, if he goes ok with bull rush players or even average des then we could leave him with less support. 

I hated it last year when we put a sluggish guard at LT and just wanted him to be like Joe Thomas. 

Tyrod Taylor apparently doesn’t have a great deep ball. We don’t have a great lt, we may as well rely on short drops and movement, ie run a west coast offense. 

Ahort drops eliminate the threat of speed rushers. I think the value of speed at the edge is decreasing and internal pressure is ascending in value. At least 2 of 7 of Garrett’s sacks came against guards. The play that won the super bowl was a de vs a rg. Speed rush up the middle is the future. 

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